The Salmond is off
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Breadvan72 said:
I add the opinion that none of the Westminster leaders had a democratic mandate to make the pledges that they made.
This. And anyone with a brain cell engaged knew it as soon as it was made, but still it will all be just more grist to the mill for those Scots who claim that "Westminster" has reneged. Again (apparently). As Cameron has to get it through parliament and will need votes of MPs, including backbench Tories.
Meanwhile the instigator of this mess Alex Salmond has trotted off probably to a peerage, fat taxpayer pension, or EU commission cosy post or a few directorships with Scottish banks or maybe... oil company. And left his country split down the middle, and with a good deal of animosity. Arguably the statesman would have stayed to heal his country, and negotiate for Scotland in a new Union, which we are already being forced into the 3 smaller countries, the English regions and Westminster are going to be in. So yeh thanks Salmond.... Very principled.
And we'll be forced to do it again in 20years, although by then (and perhaps why he's gone) demographics will have changed and Scotland won't be so Scottish (like England has gone), and spectre of Thatcher's ghost will have passed another generation into memory, although not for some.
All that so he can step down when he doesn't get the answer he wants. Sounds like chickening out at the end, he has created a nasty divisive campaign in Scotland that is probably as damaging as going independent.
With a bit of luck he will fade into obscurity with an unflattering place in history.
With a bit of luck he will fade into obscurity with an unflattering place in history.
You know, he was never going to be a popular in the rUK. But by chance, he has done a lot for his country and democracy in Scotland if they get Devo Max.
Is it more wasteful? Probably. Will it cost us? Could do.
Has he got the best possible deal for the people he represents? It seems that way. That's his job at the end of the day and as such, all I can really say to that is "Fair play."
I disagreed with almost every word that came out of his mouth but he had conviction and that's something the political class could do with a lot more of.
Is it more wasteful? Probably. Will it cost us? Could do.
Has he got the best possible deal for the people he represents? It seems that way. That's his job at the end of the day and as such, all I can really say to that is "Fair play."
I disagreed with almost every word that came out of his mouth but he had conviction and that's something the political class could do with a lot more of.
Northern Munkee said:
And we'll be forced to do it again in 20years, although by then (and perhaps why he's gone) demographics will have changed and Scotland won't be so Scottish (like England has gone), and spectre of Thatcher's ghost will have passed another generation into memory, although not for some.
It depends what happens in the next couple of years. If the English don't deliver Devo Max, it won't take twenty years for the Independence issue to come alive again.Riff Raff said:
Northern Munkee said:
And we'll be forced to do it again in 20years, although by then (and perhaps why he's gone) demographics will have changed and Scotland won't be so Scottish (like England has gone), and spectre of Thatcher's ghost will have passed another generation into memory, although not for some.
It depends what happens in the next couple of years. If the English don't deliver Devo Max, it won't take twenty years for the Independence issue to come alive again.Captainawesome said:
I do feel a bit sorry for him.
I'm not his biggest fan by a long shot but he must be feeling like a sts st right now.
I just watched his resignation speech and I actually feel a bit sorry for him, he's obviously gutted. I can't however forgive the egregious lying; the ends, however noble you may consider them, do not justify the means.I'm not his biggest fan by a long shot but he must be feeling like a sts st right now.
Riff Raff said:
Northern Munkee said:
And we'll be forced to do it again in 20years, although by then (and perhaps why he's gone) demographics will have changed and Scotland won't be so Scottish (like England has gone), and spectre of Thatcher's ghost will have passed another generation into memory, although not for some.
It depends what happens in the next couple of years. If the English don't deliver Devo Max, it won't take twenty years for the Independence issue to come alive again.Riff Raff said:
Northern Munkee said:
And we'll be forced to do it again in 20years, although by then (and perhaps why he's gone) demographics will have changed and Scotland won't be so Scottish (like England has gone), and spectre of Thatcher's ghost will have passed another generation into memory, although not for some.
It depends what happens in the next couple of years. If the English don't deliver Devo Max, it won't take twenty years for the Independence issue to come alive again.Einion Yrth said:
Captainawesome said:
I do feel a bit sorry for him.
I'm not his biggest fan by a long shot but he must be feeling like a sts st right now.
I just watched his resignation speech and I actually feel a bit sorry for him, he's obviously gutted. I can't however forgive the egregious lying; the ends, however noble you may consider them, do not justify the means.I'm not his biggest fan by a long shot but he must be feeling like a sts st right now.
I'm not sure it will be an easy ride for Sturgeon having to deal with the fallout, sure she can blame Westminster but there was quite a few porkies being told by the SNP on the lead up to the referendum. Apparently she's a shoe in as she's more popular with the female voters, but I don't think they're overflowing with high calibre candidates really.
Einion Yrth said:
Captainawesome said:
I do feel a bit sorry for him.
I'm not his biggest fan by a long shot but he must be feeling like a sts st right now.
I just watched his resignation speech and I actually feel a bit sorry for him, he's obviously gutted. I can't however forgive the egregious lying; the ends, however noble you may consider them, do not justify the means.I'm not his biggest fan by a long shot but he must be feeling like a sts st right now.
However wrong he was, he can't be feeling good.
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