Why the Corbyn hatred?

[Derek Smith]

Biggy Stardust said:

How many of the new members were PHers doing it for sts & giggles, plus other folks doing the same thing? Also what did increased membership accomplish?

At the risk of repeating myself, what has he ever actually achieved?

It's an unknown quantity of course, but given the sheer number who actually paid to join the party, I doubt the PHers numbered all that many. I reckon that dozens of PHers actually paying money to labour is an overestimate.

It brought in money to the party when it was struggling. That, in itself, was an achievement. Further, the real test is how the membership stands up under Starmer. He talks radical but I doubt he means it. At the moment, membership toppling the unions’ numbers is pie in the sky, but I can see one of Starmer’s moves being to change things. Best of luck with that, mate, but I bet he'll try to change things.

The tory party is haemorrhaging members. The old stagers are the biggest single group and, by definition, their numbers reduce year on year. Of those joining labour, it’s been suggested that a high percentage were young.

I’ve answered your question, so why ask again? You might think an increase in membership is not important, so let’s put it another way; he engaged people in politics. He engaged young people in politics.

[GroundZero]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

It could be his utter hypocrisy, his utterly disgraceful support of terrorists, his actions throughout his time in politics, his misguided identity politics, the racism he fostered in the labour party, the collection of incompetent rejects he assembled around him, the treatment he and momentum gave to anyone who disagreed with him, the absurd policies, the lack of any political nouse, the politics of protest, the Marxism he wanted to apply to Britain, the moral superiority, the faux "man of the people" act, the general nastiness of him and his acolytes, the refusal to commit to a position on anything except being against the government, and the damage he has done to politics in this country for the last 5 years.

Well put.
OP, this is your answer.

The last election was a resounding rejection of far-left politics in the UK. A rejection of protest politics. A rejection of meaningless progressive intent to destroy traditional values. He was no leader by any stretch of the imagination, he was just a sad angry man who over his time had become radicalised on his marxist ideology - likely from spending too much time with enemies of the UK and enemies of our society.

[98elise]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

He's a starter for 50...

Invited two IRA members to Parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna
Went to meeting with provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney
Hosted IRA-linked Mitchell McLaughlin in Parliament
Shared a platform with IRA terrorist Martina Anderson
Attended a Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists
Stood in minute's silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS
Signed Early Day Motion after IRA massacre, blaming Britain for the deaths
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber's co-defendants
Lobbied Government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers
Attended Irish republican event where calls were made for armed conflict against Britain
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey
Said banned terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah were his 'friends'
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list
Attended wreath-laying at grave of 1976 Munich massacre terrorist (top picture)
Attended conference where Hamas and Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine were present
Photographed at rally in front of Hezbollah flag
Attended rally with members of banned Al-Muhajiroun
Repeatedly shared platforms with plane hijacker
Accepted £20,000 for appearing on state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime
Opposed banning Britons from going to Syria to fight for ISIS
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria
Voted to let ISIS fighters return from Syria
Opposed police 'shoot to kill' policy
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects
Accepted £5,000 donation from academic who said 'Palestinians have a moral right to their terrorism'
Chaired Stop The War, which praised the 'internationalism and solidarity' of ISIS
Shook hands with cleric Raed Salah after he had been found guilty of incitement to terrorism
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr
Compared ISIS to U.S. military in interview on Russia Today
Opposed proscription of extreme Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir
Backed Holocaust-denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks
Called Colombian terror group M-19 'comrades'
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime
Voted against banning support for the IRA
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism
Voted against banning al-Qaeda
Voted against control orders for terror suspects
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism
Helped convicted IRA bombmaker Gerard McLaughlin get a job after he got a council flat
Said ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi should have been arrested rather than killed
Went to court to support an IRA fixer
Co-sponsored Irish Republican event that called jailed bombers 'prisoners of war'

I'm an ex-serviceman and the above makes me sick that he's even am MP, let alone elected leader of the Labour party.

[Jasey_]

Supporting terrorist scum isn't going to endear you to anyone. Except the terrorists and their supporters.

[jakesmith]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Labour is a U.K. political party. During the Brexit situation, it was inappropriate to focus on an unrelated foreign issue during the conference and marked Labour out as being completely unconcerned with the domestic issues that they should have been representing.

Not sure where white supremacy comes into it either to be honest.

[Derek Smith]

98elise said:

He's a starter for 50...

Invited two IRA members to Parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna
Went to meeting with provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney
Hosted IRA-linked Mitchell McLaughlin in Parliament
Shared a platform with IRA terrorist Martina Anderson
Attended a Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists
Stood in minute's silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS
Signed Early Day Motion after IRA massacre, blaming Britain for the deaths
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber's co-defendants
Lobbied Government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers
Attended Irish republican event where calls were made for armed conflict against Britain
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey
Said banned terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah were his 'friends'
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list
Attended wreath-laying at grave of 1976 Munich massacre terrorist (top picture)
Attended conference where Hamas and Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine were present
Photographed at rally in front of Hezbollah flag
Attended rally with members of banned Al-Muhajiroun
Repeatedly shared platforms with plane hijacker
Accepted £20,000 for appearing on state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime
Opposed banning Britons from going to Syria to fight for ISIS
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria
Voted to let ISIS fighters return from Syria
Opposed police 'shoot to kill' policy
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects
Accepted £5,000 donation from academic who said 'Palestinians have a moral right to their terrorism'
Chaired Stop The War, which praised the 'internationalism and solidarity' of ISIS
Shook hands with cleric Raed Salah after he had been found guilty of incitement to terrorism
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr
Compared ISIS to U.S. military in interview on Russia Today
Opposed proscription of extreme Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir
Backed Holocaust-denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks
Called Colombian terror group M-19 'comrades'
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime
Voted against banning support for the IRA
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism
Voted against banning al-Qaeda
Voted against control orders for terror suspects
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism
Helped convicted IRA bombmaker Gerard McLaughlin get a job after he got a council flat
Said ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi should have been arrested rather than killed
Went to court to support an IRA fixer
Co-sponsored Irish Republican event that called jailed bombers 'prisoners of war'

I'm an ex-serviceman and the above makes me sick that he's even am MP, let alone elected leader of the Labour party.

Worth repeating.

I policed during the bombing campaign on the mainland. I saw pictures of crime scenes that were not made public. Yet I was a supporter of the GFA, but it took a lot of soul-searching. After the pub bombings, I went to an army base to be shown what happened when they put explosives against a container of petrol in a confined area. It's not what anyone with an imagination should see. I was with 17 other coppers, and we were shocked into silence.

The PIRA were beyond excusing.

[R Mutt]

98elise said:

He's a starter for 50...

Invited two IRA members to Parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna
Went to meeting with provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney
Hosted IRA-linked Mitchell McLaughlin in Parliament
Shared a platform with IRA terrorist Martina Anderson
Attended a Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists
Stood in minute's silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS
Signed Early Day Motion after IRA massacre, blaming Britain for the deaths
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber's co-defendants
Lobbied Government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers
Attended Irish republican event where calls were made for armed conflict against Britain
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey
Said banned terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah were his 'friends'
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list
Attended wreath-laying at grave of 1976 Munich massacre terrorist (top picture)
Attended conference where Hamas and Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine were present
Photographed at rally in front of Hezbollah flag
Attended rally with members of banned Al-Muhajiroun
Repeatedly shared platforms with plane hijacker
Accepted £20,000 for appearing on state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime
Opposed banning Britons from going to Syria to fight for ISIS
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria
Voted to let ISIS fighters return from Syria
Opposed police 'shoot to kill' policy
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects
Accepted £5,000 donation from academic who said 'Palestinians have a moral right to their terrorism'
Chaired Stop The War, which praised the 'internationalism and solidarity' of ISIS
Shook hands with cleric Raed Salah after he had been found guilty of incitement to terrorism
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr
Compared ISIS to U.S. military in interview on Russia Today
Opposed proscription of extreme Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir
Backed Holocaust-denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks
Called Colombian terror group M-19 'comrades'
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime
Voted against banning support for the IRA
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism
Voted against banning al-Qaeda
Voted against control orders for terror suspects
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism
Helped convicted IRA bombmaker Gerard McLaughlin get a job after he got a council flat
Said ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi should have been arrested rather than killed
Went to court to support an IRA fixer
Co-sponsored Irish Republican event that called jailed bombers 'prisoners of war'

I'm an ex-serviceman and the above makes me sick that he's even am MP, let alone elected leader of the Labour party.

Imagine supporting all of that in the name of Socialism. Any of those evidence his idealism, and would alone highlight how dangerous that is,

[Grrbang]

Of COURSE he would be photographed with a mask under his nose...

[A Winner Is You]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Because they don't care about any foreign issue that doesn't involve Israel or America. Genocide in China? Police oppression in Nigeria? Slave labour in the Middle East? Crickets. On that note, have they ever commented on the Palestinians treatment of LGBT people, or their view on democracy and women's rights?

[Supercilious Sid]

He's not the messiah. He's a very naughty boy.

[popegregory]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

popegregory said:

Similar to those which led to the GFA were they not?

Absolutely not.

Condemned violence on all sides and encouraged talking?

[Don Roque]

He is a communist and a terrorist sympathiser. He will be remembered as one of the most evil men in history.

[anonymous-user]

Am amazed he ever got the security clearance to enter the house of commons.

[CubanPete]

Hard left policies
Terrorist sympathiser
Anti Semitism

He's a chap that wants to have an argument with whoever is in power. I don't think he would actually know what to do if he was in power.

As someone farely middle of the road politically, John McDonnel's [sic] ideas terrified me.

[biggbn]

Derek Smith said:

Biggy Stardust said:

How many of the new members were PHers doing it for sts & giggles, plus other folks doing the same thing? Also what did increased membership accomplish?

At the risk of repeating myself, what has he ever actually achieved?

It's an unknown quantity of course, but given the sheer number who actually paid to join the party, I doubt the PHers numbered all that many. I reckon that dozens of PHers actually paying money to labour is an overestimate.

It brought in money to the party when it was struggling. That, in itself, was an achievement. Further, the real test is how the membership stands up under Starmer. He talks radical but I doubt he means it. At the moment, membership toppling the unions’ numbers is pie in the sky, but I can see one of Starmer’s moves being to change things. Best of luck with that, mate, but I bet he'll try to change things.

The tory party is haemorrhaging members. The old stagers are the biggest single group and, by definition, their numbers reduce year on year. Of those joining labour, it’s been suggested that a high percentage were young.

I’ve answered your question, so why ask again? You might think an increase in membership is not important, so let’s put it another way; he engaged people in politics. He engaged young people in politics.

He has been democratically elected to the house of commons since 1983, quite an achievement I'd say.

[Hereward]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Not sure if serious.

Their focus and energy should primarily be on UK domestic issues. Sure it's fine to have a foreign policy but why the total obsession with Israel? What about the genocide and injustice in all the other corners of the globe?

It's Student Union politics and utterly weird.

[biggbn]

popegregory said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

popegregory said:

Similar to those which led to the GFA were they not?

Absolutely not.

Condemned violence on all sides and encouraged talking?

Yes but remember, he didn't specifically condemn IRA violence, just ALL violence...bloody cop out... I don't get the hatred either but can understand strong feelings from the Jewish community. His inability to police his party is the reason I left.

[P5BNij]

Partyvan said:

For me it's the whole London Labour party. Banging a very loud and obnoxious drum for "equality", diversity, multiculturalism, feminism, misandry, socialism, anti-Zionism and a load of other polititcs I find repugnant.

Corbyn himself seems a reasonably nice and genuine bloke, but his politics as above are what turns me.

Regarding your final point - not long after he became leader of the party there was footage of him on youtube lunging with his fist a young female journalist who dared to question the quality of his 'leadership', he had to be dragged away by his entourage. A nice bloke...?

[anonymous-user]

Hard Right is acceptable and has risen all over Europe. Hard left and you are deemed a loony.

It is funny how the Right is using fear, what conservatism thrives on, to elicit votes, instead of focusing on real policies. Corbyn was just a relic from past times.

[ntiz]

For me it’s because he normalised and gave a platform to crazy left woke brigade who believe the have the moral high ground in all situations.

Before Corbyn it wasn’t normal to refer to the Tories as scum or accuse anyone who voted for Them of murdering children. I now have friends spouting this stuff regularly all over social media.

At the last election my wife had an incident when out shopping with our disabled son in his wheelchair. A labour supporter was out canvassing and he approached my wife. She politely declined to engage, started to carry on walking he grabbed her by the arm and screamed “Don’t you care about this country the Tories are killing children like yours everyday!”. At which point he found out between my wife and I she is the one with vicious temper :Laugh:

As a business owner I found McDonnell the scariest man on the planet!