re-lighting an almost extinguished fuse - Celtic nail bombs.
Discussion
Eric Mc said:
What would be nice would be for Rangers to come out with a public statement condemning this act.
Both clubs should stand tiogether to decry this type of behaviour - unless they actually want this type of rivalry to continue, that is.
A joint press conference wouldn't go amiss.
They repeatedly have condemmed it Eric. The reason they haven't so far with the latest incident is because it was under news blackout until this morning. I agree a joint press conference is the way forwad though.Both clubs should stand tiogether to decry this type of behaviour - unless they actually want this type of rivalry to continue, that is.
A joint press conference wouldn't go amiss.
As for Lennon, frankly it's little to do with football or even religion, it's personality.
He is the sort who could be 'Neil Lennon the plumber' and under pressure he still has that bile filled, sneering faced personality, always one step away from violent conduct as proven during his playing career. We're talking here about someone who even managed to wind up one of the gentlemen of the game, Alan Shearer, so much you had the famous head kicking incident. In Lennons defence, he did give evidence in Shearers hearing at the FA defending Shearer. Credit to him for that, and I think it shows when he calms down, he is probably a resonable guy.
Thats what looks like his failing, however. That vile temper, or 'Passion' as Celtic try and disguise it. People would want to do him harm to Lennon simply because he easily loses his temper and lashes out in an increasingly foul manner, as numerous incidents in his past point to.
The fact he is in the position he is in, has elevated it from people wanting to give him 'a square go' to utter idiots sending nailbombs.
I'll say this as someone with friends, and good friends at that, as well as family members, on both sides of the Rangers/Celtic divide. He is the most inflammatory person possible for that position, and thats not a good thing. It's frightening.
I just really hope the idiots don't get a chance to do him harm, and he gets a few seasons under his belt as a manager, hopefully giving him a chance in that time to mature and realise, truly, what it is to be the visible figurehead of an incredible club like Celtic FC, because so far his conduct has fell short of that.
Chainguy said:
As for Lennon, frankly it's little to do with football or even religion, it's personality.
He is the sort who could be 'Neil Lennon the plumber' and under pressure he still has that bile filled, sneering faced personality, always one step away from violent conduct as proven during his playing career. We're talking here about someone who even managed to wind up one of the gentlemen of the game, Alan Shearer, so much you had the famous head kicking incident. In Lennons defence, he did give evidence in Shearers hearing at the FA defending Shearer. Credit to him for that, and I think it shows when he calms down, he is probably a resonable guy.
Thats what looks like his failing, however. That vile temper, or 'Passion' as Celtic try and disguise it. People would want to do him harm to Lennon simply because he easily loses his temper and lashes out in an increasingly foul manner, as numerous incidents in his past point to.
The fact he is in the position he is in, has elevated it from people wanting to give him 'a square go' to utter idiots sending nailbombs.
I'll say this as someone with friends, and good friends at that, as well as family members, on both sides of the Rangers/Celtic divide. He is the most inflammatory person possible for that position, and thats not a good thing. It's frightening.
I just really hope the idiots don't get a chance to do him harm, and he gets a few seasons under his belt as a manager, hopefully giving him a chance in that time to mature and realise, truly, what it is to be the visible figurehead of an incredible club like Celtic FC, because so far his conduct has fell short of that.
And the others who have had bombs sent?He is the sort who could be 'Neil Lennon the plumber' and under pressure he still has that bile filled, sneering faced personality, always one step away from violent conduct as proven during his playing career. We're talking here about someone who even managed to wind up one of the gentlemen of the game, Alan Shearer, so much you had the famous head kicking incident. In Lennons defence, he did give evidence in Shearers hearing at the FA defending Shearer. Credit to him for that, and I think it shows when he calms down, he is probably a resonable guy.
Thats what looks like his failing, however. That vile temper, or 'Passion' as Celtic try and disguise it. People would want to do him harm to Lennon simply because he easily loses his temper and lashes out in an increasingly foul manner, as numerous incidents in his past point to.
The fact he is in the position he is in, has elevated it from people wanting to give him 'a square go' to utter idiots sending nailbombs.
I'll say this as someone with friends, and good friends at that, as well as family members, on both sides of the Rangers/Celtic divide. He is the most inflammatory person possible for that position, and thats not a good thing. It's frightening.
I just really hope the idiots don't get a chance to do him harm, and he gets a few seasons under his belt as a manager, hopefully giving him a chance in that time to mature and realise, truly, what it is to be the visible figurehead of an incredible club like Celtic FC, because so far his conduct has fell short of that.
Is it their personality as well?
Chainguy said:
They repeatedly have condemmed it Eric. The reason they haven't so far with the latest incident is because it was under news blackout until this morning. I agree a joint press conference is the way forwad though.
As for Lennon, frankly it's little to do with football or even religion, it's personality.
He is the sort who could be 'Neil Lennon the plumber' and under pressure he still has that bile filled, sneering faced personality, always one step away from violent conduct as proven during his playing career. We're talking here about someone who even managed to wind up one of the gentlemen of the game, Alan Shearer, so much you had the famous head kicking incident. In Lennons defence, he did give evidence in Shearers hearing at the FA defending Shearer. Credit to him for that, and I think it shows when he calms down, he is probably a resonable guy.
Thats what looks like his failing, however. That vile temper, or 'Passion' as Celtic try and disguise it. People would want to do him harm to Lennon simply because he easily loses his temper and lashes out in an increasingly foul manner, as numerous incidents in his past point to.
The fact he is in the position he is in, has elevated it from people wanting to give him 'a square go' to utter idiots sending nailbombs.
I'll say this as someone with friends, and good friends at that, as well as family members, on both sides of the Rangers/Celtic divide. He is the most inflammatory person possible for that position, and thats not a good thing. It's frightening.
I just really hope the idiots don't get a chance to do him harm, and he gets a few seasons under his belt as a manager, hopefully giving him a chance in that time to mature and realise, truly, what it is to be the visible figurehead of an incredible club like Celtic FC, because so far his conduct has fell short of that.
His conduct has fell short on a number of times, as has the conduct of numerous other managers all over the world, but that is hardly a reason for the death threats or bombs. There was never an issue with him until he joined Celtic. As for Lennon, frankly it's little to do with football or even religion, it's personality.
He is the sort who could be 'Neil Lennon the plumber' and under pressure he still has that bile filled, sneering faced personality, always one step away from violent conduct as proven during his playing career. We're talking here about someone who even managed to wind up one of the gentlemen of the game, Alan Shearer, so much you had the famous head kicking incident. In Lennons defence, he did give evidence in Shearers hearing at the FA defending Shearer. Credit to him for that, and I think it shows when he calms down, he is probably a resonable guy.
Thats what looks like his failing, however. That vile temper, or 'Passion' as Celtic try and disguise it. People would want to do him harm to Lennon simply because he easily loses his temper and lashes out in an increasingly foul manner, as numerous incidents in his past point to.
The fact he is in the position he is in, has elevated it from people wanting to give him 'a square go' to utter idiots sending nailbombs.
I'll say this as someone with friends, and good friends at that, as well as family members, on both sides of the Rangers/Celtic divide. He is the most inflammatory person possible for that position, and thats not a good thing. It's frightening.
I just really hope the idiots don't get a chance to do him harm, and he gets a few seasons under his belt as a manager, hopefully giving him a chance in that time to mature and realise, truly, what it is to be the visible figurehead of an incredible club like Celtic FC, because so far his conduct has fell short of that.
YOF626 said:
Chainguy said:
As for Lennon, frankly it's little to do with football or even religion, it's personality.
He is the sort who could be 'Neil Lennon the plumber' and under pressure he still has that bile filled, sneering faced personality, always one step away from violent conduct as proven during his playing career. We're talking here about someone who even managed to wind up one of the gentlemen of the game, Alan Shearer, so much you had the famous head kicking incident. In Lennons defence, he did give evidence in Shearers hearing at the FA defending Shearer. Credit to him for that, and I think it shows when he calms down, he is probably a resonable guy.
Thats what looks like his failing, however. That vile temper, or 'Passion' as Celtic try and disguise it. People would want to do him harm to Lennon simply because he easily loses his temper and lashes out in an increasingly foul manner, as numerous incidents in his past point to.
The fact he is in the position he is in, has elevated it from people wanting to give him 'a square go' to utter idiots sending nailbombs.
I'll say this as someone with friends, and good friends at that, as well as family members, on both sides of the Rangers/Celtic divide. He is the most inflammatory person possible for that position, and thats not a good thing. It's frightening.
I just really hope the idiots don't get a chance to do him harm, and he gets a few seasons under his belt as a manager, hopefully giving him a chance in that time to mature and realise, truly, what it is to be the visible figurehead of an incredible club like Celtic FC, because so far his conduct has fell short of that.
And the others who have had bombs sent?He is the sort who could be 'Neil Lennon the plumber' and under pressure he still has that bile filled, sneering faced personality, always one step away from violent conduct as proven during his playing career. We're talking here about someone who even managed to wind up one of the gentlemen of the game, Alan Shearer, so much you had the famous head kicking incident. In Lennons defence, he did give evidence in Shearers hearing at the FA defending Shearer. Credit to him for that, and I think it shows when he calms down, he is probably a resonable guy.
Thats what looks like his failing, however. That vile temper, or 'Passion' as Celtic try and disguise it. People would want to do him harm to Lennon simply because he easily loses his temper and lashes out in an increasingly foul manner, as numerous incidents in his past point to.
The fact he is in the position he is in, has elevated it from people wanting to give him 'a square go' to utter idiots sending nailbombs.
I'll say this as someone with friends, and good friends at that, as well as family members, on both sides of the Rangers/Celtic divide. He is the most inflammatory person possible for that position, and thats not a good thing. It's frightening.
I just really hope the idiots don't get a chance to do him harm, and he gets a few seasons under his belt as a manager, hopefully giving him a chance in that time to mature and realise, truly, what it is to be the visible figurehead of an incredible club like Celtic FC, because so far his conduct has fell short of that.
Is it their personality as well?
Idiots on both sides of the divide
matchmaker said:
Well, I am a Rangers fan and cannot stand the ginger-headed weasel that is Lennon, but a nail bomb? FFS, what are these people thinking of? It's, IMHO of course, the same as the crazies across in NI - religion has f
k all to do with things today - it is hate for the sake of hating. 
So, so true.k all to do with things today - it is hate for the sake of hating. When you consider Celtic were set up for the noblest of purposes, namely to generate money for the poor and to break down barriers between opposing religions, hence their 'all welcome' nature, and for quite a while, it actually worked, to see whats happening now is bloody heartbreaking.
Anyone who thinks the hatred is justified is bloody pondlife. Society doesnt need them.
Kermit power said:
Get rid of all this bks about having different legal systems, different education systems, different health systems and everything else, and we'd be in a much better position.
England is of course welcome to adopt our outstanding legal, education and health systems any time they like. It's a wonder it hasn't happened sooner.ks about having different legal systems, different education systems, different health systems and everything else, and we'd be in a much better position.
The sectarian nightmare is a hard one to crack. I'd have a two year ban of all professional football in Scotland, after which clubs wishing to enter newly created leagues would have to demonstrate that they, their players and supporters knew how to behave like civilised members of society. As a bonus, the players could spend the 24 months learning how to play football properly. Any misbehaving and the ban is reinstated.
Lets face it, the standard of football and behaviour couldn't get any worse.
Great comment in the Evening Times by Ronnie Cully:
Comment: This shame goes beyond football...it taints all of us
Ronnie Cully
20 Apr 2011
No bomb had to go off for the shock- waves to rever-berate around the world.
It was enough that Neil Lennon, QC Paul McBride and MSP Trish Godman should be sent such life-endangering devices.
But, while right-minded people all around this planet are understandably shocked at the revelation such an atrocity should take place, those of us living with this on our very doorstep must do more than simply respond with astonishment and condemnation.
What has our society – never mind our game – come to that the manager of a football club should be the intended victim of a nail bomb?
Or, for that matter, a Queen’s Counsel who is accustomed to working with some of the dregs of humanity, but suddenly finds himself targeted because he chose to act on behalf of Lennon and Celtic?
Trish Godman’s ‘crime’? She wore a Celtic top to work on her final day as an MSP, not to antagonise anyone, but to win a bet and raise some money for charity.
The common denominator, of course, is Celtic Football Club.
And today, the custodians – chairman John Reid, chief executive Peter Lawwell and the rest of the board members – are facing calls from supporters to pack up and get their club out of this country.
They point out that, what started as words and songs of hate, have quickly escalated through threats to bombs, devices intended not to shock, but, to quote the police, to maim and kill.
The authorities have spent weeks trying to find out who sent these devices.
The news blackout ordered was designed to increase their chances of detecting whose twisted mind and tainted hand was behind these cowardly acts.
Now it is all out in the open, and the predictable reaction of the public is that the Rubicon has been truly crossed.
A Strathclyde Police source said: “We fear this person will react to something that is said in the run-up to Sunday’s Old Firm game that will cause them to act again.
“This person is clearly educated enough to produce a device that is intended to maim, injure or kill.”
Those words should resonate through every sinew of our bodies.
The astonishing thing is that, throughout all of this, and despite understandable concerns for his partner and their son, Lennon has been able to function as normal.
The only hint he was struggling to keep a lid on his emotions came during a pre-match media conference yesterday, when, despite the blackout still being in place, he was asked to comment on the latest parcel bomb.
His brusque response betrayed how seriously he was taking the threat.
Lennon’s background as a youngster brought up against the backdrop of the Troubles in Northern Ireland will undoubtedly be helping him to cope. But he is entitled to believe those terrible times are behind him, and that in the West of Scotland in 2011, his very safety is not an issue let alone a serious concern.
Likewise, McBride and Godman deserve the right to go about their business without fear what it might bring them in the next post.
The fact two such high- profile individuals have joined Lennon on the ‘hitlist’ should at least silence once and for all the ridiculous argument that, by his behaviour, the Celtic manager brings a lot of this upon himself.
Given the seriousness of the bullets and bombs in the post, the threats to him and his family, the safe houses and 24-hour protection which has become such a part of his life, this was always a view which could only be held by the most myopic.
Now the eyes of the world are upon us, and how we react to this outrage will define how Scottish society is perceived.
It is our shame, and it transcends football. That particular border was blown asunder when the first explosive device was posted to Lennon.
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/editor-s-picks...
Comment: This shame goes beyond football...it taints all of us
Ronnie Cully
20 Apr 2011
No bomb had to go off for the shock- waves to rever-berate around the world.
It was enough that Neil Lennon, QC Paul McBride and MSP Trish Godman should be sent such life-endangering devices.
But, while right-minded people all around this planet are understandably shocked at the revelation such an atrocity should take place, those of us living with this on our very doorstep must do more than simply respond with astonishment and condemnation.
What has our society – never mind our game – come to that the manager of a football club should be the intended victim of a nail bomb?
Or, for that matter, a Queen’s Counsel who is accustomed to working with some of the dregs of humanity, but suddenly finds himself targeted because he chose to act on behalf of Lennon and Celtic?
Trish Godman’s ‘crime’? She wore a Celtic top to work on her final day as an MSP, not to antagonise anyone, but to win a bet and raise some money for charity.
The common denominator, of course, is Celtic Football Club.
And today, the custodians – chairman John Reid, chief executive Peter Lawwell and the rest of the board members – are facing calls from supporters to pack up and get their club out of this country.
They point out that, what started as words and songs of hate, have quickly escalated through threats to bombs, devices intended not to shock, but, to quote the police, to maim and kill.
The authorities have spent weeks trying to find out who sent these devices.
The news blackout ordered was designed to increase their chances of detecting whose twisted mind and tainted hand was behind these cowardly acts.
Now it is all out in the open, and the predictable reaction of the public is that the Rubicon has been truly crossed.
A Strathclyde Police source said: “We fear this person will react to something that is said in the run-up to Sunday’s Old Firm game that will cause them to act again.
“This person is clearly educated enough to produce a device that is intended to maim, injure or kill.”
Those words should resonate through every sinew of our bodies.
The astonishing thing is that, throughout all of this, and despite understandable concerns for his partner and their son, Lennon has been able to function as normal.
The only hint he was struggling to keep a lid on his emotions came during a pre-match media conference yesterday, when, despite the blackout still being in place, he was asked to comment on the latest parcel bomb.
His brusque response betrayed how seriously he was taking the threat.
Lennon’s background as a youngster brought up against the backdrop of the Troubles in Northern Ireland will undoubtedly be helping him to cope. But he is entitled to believe those terrible times are behind him, and that in the West of Scotland in 2011, his very safety is not an issue let alone a serious concern.
Likewise, McBride and Godman deserve the right to go about their business without fear what it might bring them in the next post.
The fact two such high- profile individuals have joined Lennon on the ‘hitlist’ should at least silence once and for all the ridiculous argument that, by his behaviour, the Celtic manager brings a lot of this upon himself.
Given the seriousness of the bullets and bombs in the post, the threats to him and his family, the safe houses and 24-hour protection which has become such a part of his life, this was always a view which could only be held by the most myopic.
Now the eyes of the world are upon us, and how we react to this outrage will define how Scottish society is perceived.
It is our shame, and it transcends football. That particular border was blown asunder when the first explosive device was posted to Lennon.
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/editor-s-picks...
YOF626 said:
Chainguy said:
Idiots on both sides of the divide
Undoubtedly.Happily the ones on our side don't post bombs to people they don't like and long may it continue.
Chainguy said:
No mate, thats true. You know what though, not all Ranges fans are like that, it's the 0.0000000000000000000000001%, if we're ever at a meet, I'll happily buy you a beer and discuss it
Agreed, I have many mates who are Rangers fans and are cracking guys.I'd happily buy you one back
YOF626 said:
Chainguy said:
Idiots on both sides of the divide
Undoubtedly.Happily the ones on our side don't post bombs to people they don't like and long may it continue.
Leithen said:
England is of course welcome to adopt our outstanding legal, education and health systems any time they like. It's a wonder it hasn't happened sooner.
That would be lovely, except there isn't the money to pay for it. You haven't got the money to pay for it either.
The difference is that you get yours paid for. By us.
Christ knows why.
Kermit power said:
Leithen said:
England is of course welcome to adopt our outstanding legal, education and health systems any time they like. It's a wonder it hasn't happened sooner.
That would be lovely, except there isn't the money to pay for it. You haven't got the money to pay for it either.
The difference is that you get yours paid for. By us.
Christ knows why.
Scotland's history of pioneering legal, education and health systems is a proud one. To be fair England has learnt a lot, and has benefited and adopted much that was born from Scotland. We're perfectly happy about that. You should be too.
Kermit power said:
Leithen said:
England is of course welcome to adopt our outstanding legal, education and health systems any time they like. It's a wonder it hasn't happened sooner.
That would be lovely, except there isn't the money to pay for it. You haven't got the money to pay for it either.
The difference is that you get yours paid for. By us.
Christ knows why.
I would be very happy to take the risk that you were right in your assertion!
Leithen said:
Kermit power said:
Leithen said:
England is of course welcome to adopt our outstanding legal, education and health systems any time they like. It's a wonder it hasn't happened sooner.
That would be lovely, except there isn't the money to pay for it. You haven't got the money to pay for it either.
The difference is that you get yours paid for. By us.
Christ knows why.
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