Caroline Flack
Discussion
PurpleTurtle said:
Very much in agreement here.
It's tragic that she's killed herself, but I take one look at her Instagram account and all it screams is "LOOK AT MY AMAZINGLY GLAMOROUS LIFE!"
In every photo she is on a red carpet, at some premiere, on an amazing holiday, doing the "you've-caught me-laughing-as-if -this-is-au-naturel-but-in-reality-we-took-twenty-versions-of-it-to-get-my-best-angle".
It's all so FAKE. She was front woman of a programme that exists purely to make shallow, vacuous people famous. It promotes the cult of celebrity - young girls wanting to be 'a celebrity' as a career ambition, which has become a thing since the whole advent of 'reality' TV. It totally boils my piss. We live in a society where young people - girls especially - are suffering all sorts of mental health challenges, anxiety, eating disorders, all driven by this idea of what is acceptable, all driven by social media, with people like Caroline Flack front and centre of it. Did she really care about the place she was playing in that whole stupid game? I don't think she did.
I've seen all manner of hand-wringers on my Facebook posting if you can be anything in this world, be kind memes attributed to Ms Flack, which is all a very nice sentiment and all that, but I'm also sat there going "whoa .... how about not basing your entire existence on something so false, and smacking your sleeping boyfriend round the head with a lamp so much that he's had to all the Police allegedly in fear of his life.
Lots of shouts of 'her management/ITV should have protected her'. Really? She was a grown woman of 40 years of age, how about she showed some personal responsibility.
Did she smack the boyfriend about? Seems certain.
Should she have been prosecuted? Yes.
Would it have been the end of the world if found guilty? No.
People do far, far worse things in their lives and get on with them. She would have lost the Love Island gig as obviously a convicted perp of DV as a host isn't great for advertisers, but so what? She could have styled it out. Lay low for a while, reinvent yourself, as many badly-behaved celebrities have done in the past.
Everyone jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the media for hounding her over this really needs to remember that she was a keen and active player in the whole charade.
For balance: I lived with a girlfriend with mental health issues like this for 3 years. Despite her privileged upbringing and outwardly 'nice' life she was constantly jealous of other people, thinking everyone's life was better. It is unremittingly tiring to put up with. I stood by her through a lot of trying times, but the day she jogged on out of my life was a relief for my mental health. I've heard all the BS round this before and bored of it. If you feel the need to go through a boyfirend's phone whilst he is sleeping then he's probably not the bloke for you. Binbag him and find someone else, don't assault him so that you end up in court. Simple, eh?
I agree with this. I know someone who has a sister so desperate for fame (which her mother has been complicit in) that she's been on one of these terrible reality TV shows and was recently in a tabloid with some nonsense story about how her boyfriend has to spend £2500 on her for valentine's day. Imagine being so fame hungry that you think this is something the world would care about. It's tragic that she's killed herself, but I take one look at her Instagram account and all it screams is "LOOK AT MY AMAZINGLY GLAMOROUS LIFE!"
In every photo she is on a red carpet, at some premiere, on an amazing holiday, doing the "you've-caught me-laughing-as-if -this-is-au-naturel-but-in-reality-we-took-twenty-versions-of-it-to-get-my-best-angle".
It's all so FAKE. She was front woman of a programme that exists purely to make shallow, vacuous people famous. It promotes the cult of celebrity - young girls wanting to be 'a celebrity' as a career ambition, which has become a thing since the whole advent of 'reality' TV. It totally boils my piss. We live in a society where young people - girls especially - are suffering all sorts of mental health challenges, anxiety, eating disorders, all driven by this idea of what is acceptable, all driven by social media, with people like Caroline Flack front and centre of it. Did she really care about the place she was playing in that whole stupid game? I don't think she did.
I've seen all manner of hand-wringers on my Facebook posting if you can be anything in this world, be kind memes attributed to Ms Flack, which is all a very nice sentiment and all that, but I'm also sat there going "whoa .... how about not basing your entire existence on something so false, and smacking your sleeping boyfriend round the head with a lamp so much that he's had to all the Police allegedly in fear of his life.
Lots of shouts of 'her management/ITV should have protected her'. Really? She was a grown woman of 40 years of age, how about she showed some personal responsibility.
Did she smack the boyfriend about? Seems certain.
Should she have been prosecuted? Yes.
Would it have been the end of the world if found guilty? No.
People do far, far worse things in their lives and get on with them. She would have lost the Love Island gig as obviously a convicted perp of DV as a host isn't great for advertisers, but so what? She could have styled it out. Lay low for a while, reinvent yourself, as many badly-behaved celebrities have done in the past.
Everyone jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the media for hounding her over this really needs to remember that she was a keen and active player in the whole charade.
For balance: I lived with a girlfriend with mental health issues like this for 3 years. Despite her privileged upbringing and outwardly 'nice' life she was constantly jealous of other people, thinking everyone's life was better. It is unremittingly tiring to put up with. I stood by her through a lot of trying times, but the day she jogged on out of my life was a relief for my mental health. I've heard all the BS round this before and bored of it. If you feel the need to go through a boyfirend's phone whilst he is sleeping then he's probably not the bloke for you. Binbag him and find someone else, don't assault him so that you end up in court. Simple, eh?
TwigtheWonderkid said:
The facts don't care about your considerations. PH is social media. But I realise that many on PH enjoy PH, whilst at the same time thinking they are a bit above something as tacky as social media.
I don't think it's being 'above' social media but the two formats are a world apart. Twitter and Facebook users for the most part use their real identities with all their personal information visible to the world. These users are opening themselves up to attack from any Tom, Dick and Harry with a Twitter / Facebook account. If they post something deemed inflammatory then they can find themselves being subject to vitriol from any of the billions of users of those platforms and it can very easily spill over into their real life (for example, their job).On here, if TwigtheWonderkid says something someone doesn't agree with it's confined to this forum, likewise TwigtheWonderKid can't use PH to tell Piers Morgan personally that he's a
. TwigtheWonderkid said:
The facts don't care about your considerations. PH is social media. But I realise that many on PH enjoy PH, whilst at the same time thinking they are a bit above something as tacky as social media.
Indeed. I’ll often say I “don’t use social media” and by that I mean I don’t use Facebook, Twitter etc. Although this goes against my own definition (since I use PH and other forums and I do consider them to be social media in the literal sense) I know that it gets my point across. The English language is of course full of contradictions.
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Stuart70 said:
I don’t know in what capacity you have to do this, but I cannot think of many worse things to have to do.
I hope you get the support you need for the after effects of such work.
That number is an average. Some years it’s been more and some less. Went to 2 in Christmas week once. I hope you get the support you need for the after effects of such work.
In my experience most have underlying issues and hide it from everyone they know and just go ahead and do it. It’s not often someone calls the police to say they’re going to kill themselves and go ahead with it.
It’s the ones who just do it, they don’t tell anyone.
I don’t seek help after attending although it’s there if required.
Some that have stuck with me are a lady who lived on the face of it a great single life but stockpiled some meds and took the lot before going to bed and leaving a note. It was Christmas week and she had been up wrapping presents and hanging cards and decorating etc (neighbour had popped around and could tell us that’s what she was doing) her diary was full of appointments, parties, things she had scheduled over months with her work for dates and the like but then the same night she took her life and left a note apologising for whoever found her and had left the front door unlocked for us. Never gave a reason in the note.
The second was a young lady studying at a university and had done so well was offered work there. She was from the UK and fell into a little debt with rent. She wanted to return home to family but didn’t or felt she couldn’t due to owning rent as in her note she gave this as the reason for feeling so down that she felt the need to end everything. Again the front door was left unlocked and everything in the house had been packed and neatly placed for removing.
Some of the male ones have been because they had been caught cheating by their partner/wife.
In the main adults all over 30 but at the opposite end have been girls or boys in their teens.
A lot over 70 have been after a diagnosis of a serious or terminal illness and with no partner of close family have decided to end things.
Primarily most have been by overdose or hanging but some are via bridges and others quite ingenious ways that I won’t go into.
Not sure if any of that makes sense as I’m typing on my phone but one thing I will say is please speak to someone if you’re having issues or thoughts. I would happily spend hours on here or in person speaking and doing anything I can to help rather than have to lift you down from the staircase in front of your family or have to do that and then go and knock at their door and explain what’s gone on.
I don’t care what it is, I don’t care what you’ve done or what’s gone on, I don’t judge and can listen and if requested can offer practical advice.
PurpleTurtle said:
Very much in agreement here.
It's tragic that she's killed herself, but I take one look at her Instagram account and all it screams is "LOOK AT MY AMAZINGLY GLAMOROUS LIFE!"
In every photo she is on a red carpet, at some premiere, on an amazing holiday, doing the "you've-caught me-laughing-as-if -this-is-au-naturel-but-in-reality-we-took-twenty-versions-of-it-to-get-my-best-angle".
It's all so FAKE. She was front woman of a programme that exists purely to make shallow, vacuous people famous. It promotes the cult of celebrity - young girls wanting to be 'a celebrity' as a career ambition, which has become a thing since the whole advent of 'reality' TV. It totally boils my piss. We live in a society where young people - girls especially - are suffering all sorts of mental health challenges, anxiety, eating disorders, all driven by this idea of what is acceptable, all driven by social media, with people like Caroline Flack front and centre of it. Did she really care about the place she was playing in that whole stupid game? I don't think she did.
I've seen all manner of hand-wringers on my Facebook posting if you can be anything in this world, be kind memes attributed to Ms Flack, which is all a very nice sentiment and all that, but I'm also sat there going "whoa .... how about not basing your entire existence on something so false, and smacking your sleeping boyfriend round the head with a lamp so much that he's had to all the Police allegedly in fear of his life.
Lots of shouts of 'her management/ITV should have protected her'. Really? She was a grown woman of 40 years of age, how about she showed some personal responsibility.
Did she smack the boyfriend about? Seems certain.
Should she have been prosecuted? Yes.
Would it have been the end of the world if found guilty? No.
People do far, far worse things in their lives and get on with them. She would have lost the Love Island gig as obviously a convicted perp of DV as a host isn't great for advertisers, but so what? She could have styled it out. Lay low for a while, reinvent yourself, as many badly-behaved celebrities have done in the past.
Everyone jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the media for hounding her over this really needs to remember that she was a keen and active player in the whole charade.
For balance: I lived with a girlfriend with mental health issues like this for 3 years. Despite her privileged upbringing and outwardly 'nice' life she was constantly jealous of other people, thinking everyone's life was better. It is unremittingly tiring to put up with. I stood by her through a lot of trying times, but the day she jogged on out of my life was a relief for my mental health. I've heard all the BS round this before and bored of it. If you feel the need to go through a boyfirend's phone whilst he is sleeping then he's probably not the bloke for you. Binbag him and find someone else, don't assault him so that you end up in court. Simple, eh?
It's ultimately the same forces which see all these girls getting their lips filled in their 20s and similarly guys spending their lives in the gym, if we can take the gender argument out of it, because several male contestants have taken their own lives.It's tragic that she's killed herself, but I take one look at her Instagram account and all it screams is "LOOK AT MY AMAZINGLY GLAMOROUS LIFE!"
In every photo she is on a red carpet, at some premiere, on an amazing holiday, doing the "you've-caught me-laughing-as-if -this-is-au-naturel-but-in-reality-we-took-twenty-versions-of-it-to-get-my-best-angle".
It's all so FAKE. She was front woman of a programme that exists purely to make shallow, vacuous people famous. It promotes the cult of celebrity - young girls wanting to be 'a celebrity' as a career ambition, which has become a thing since the whole advent of 'reality' TV. It totally boils my piss. We live in a society where young people - girls especially - are suffering all sorts of mental health challenges, anxiety, eating disorders, all driven by this idea of what is acceptable, all driven by social media, with people like Caroline Flack front and centre of it. Did she really care about the place she was playing in that whole stupid game? I don't think she did.
I've seen all manner of hand-wringers on my Facebook posting if you can be anything in this world, be kind memes attributed to Ms Flack, which is all a very nice sentiment and all that, but I'm also sat there going "whoa .... how about not basing your entire existence on something so false, and smacking your sleeping boyfriend round the head with a lamp so much that he's had to all the Police allegedly in fear of his life.
Lots of shouts of 'her management/ITV should have protected her'. Really? She was a grown woman of 40 years of age, how about she showed some personal responsibility.
Did she smack the boyfriend about? Seems certain.
Should she have been prosecuted? Yes.
Would it have been the end of the world if found guilty? No.
People do far, far worse things in their lives and get on with them. She would have lost the Love Island gig as obviously a convicted perp of DV as a host isn't great for advertisers, but so what? She could have styled it out. Lay low for a while, reinvent yourself, as many badly-behaved celebrities have done in the past.
Everyone jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the media for hounding her over this really needs to remember that she was a keen and active player in the whole charade.
For balance: I lived with a girlfriend with mental health issues like this for 3 years. Despite her privileged upbringing and outwardly 'nice' life she was constantly jealous of other people, thinking everyone's life was better. It is unremittingly tiring to put up with. I stood by her through a lot of trying times, but the day she jogged on out of my life was a relief for my mental health. I've heard all the BS round this before and bored of it. If you feel the need to go through a boyfirend's phone whilst he is sleeping then he's probably not the bloke for you. Binbag him and find someone else, don't assault him so that you end up in court. Simple, eh?
There are obvious mental health implications in this pressure to look a certain way and I suppose like paranoid girlfriends, both have been around and long time and are arguably amplified by technology and social media, and both are rarely situations when the sufferer will find what they're looking for.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
The facts don't care about your considerations. PH is social media. But I realise that many on PH enjoy PH, whilst at the same time thinking they are a bit above something as tacky as social media.
Continuing O/T for a minute.All examples of social media are not the same, and it's not so much about 'above' as 'different'. If folks enjoy other social media experiences (beyond PH) good for them.
You may remember this was once a forum for car enthusiasts, not least performance cars such as TVRs. It was mostly populated by people with a common interest. That's nothing like the general dumping on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram et al. Which is not to say that you can't find a gem on any platform, however the search effort is more worthwhile in some places for some people. As PH expanded for commercial rather than special interest reasons, things changed, but not sufficiently as yet to blur the boundaries completely.
Fatball said:
That number is an average. Some years it’s been more and some less. Went to 2 in Christmas week once.
In my experience most have underlying issues and hide it from everyone they know and just go ahead and do it. It’s not often someone calls the police to say they’re going to kill themselves and go ahead with it.
It’s the ones who just do it, they don’t tell anyone.
I don’t seek help after attending although it’s there if required.
Some that have stuck with me are a lady who lived on the face of it a great single life but stockpiled some meds and took the lot before going to bed and leaving a note. It was Christmas week and she had been up wrapping presents and hanging cards and decorating etc (neighbour had popped around and could tell us that’s what she was doing) her diary was full of appointments, parties, things she had scheduled over months with her work for dates and the like but then the same night she took her life and left a note apologising for whoever found her and had left the front door unlocked for us. Never gave a reason in the note.
The second was a young lady studying at a university and had done so well was offered work there. She was from the UK and fell into a little debt with rent. She wanted to return home to family but didn’t or felt she couldn’t due to owning rent as in her note she gave this as the reason for feeling so down that she felt the need to end everything. Again the front door was left unlocked and everything in the house had been packed and neatly placed for removing.
Some of the male ones have been because they had been caught cheating by their partner/wife.
In the main adults all over 30 but at the opposite end have been girls or boys in their teens.
A lot over 70 have been after a diagnosis of a serious or terminal illness and with no partner of close family have decided to end things.
Primarily most have been by overdose or hanging but some are via bridges and others quite ingenious ways that I won’t go into.
Not sure if any of that makes sense as I’m typing on my phone but one thing I will say is please speak to someone if you’re having issues or thoughts. I would happily spend hours on here or in person speaking and doing anything I can to help rather than have to lift you down from the staircase in front of your family or have to do that and then go and knock at their door and explain what’s gone on.
I don’t care what it is, I don’t care what you’ve done or what’s gone on, I don’t judge and can listen and if requested can offer practical advice.
A lovely (if harrowing in places) post that deserves recognition.In my experience most have underlying issues and hide it from everyone they know and just go ahead and do it. It’s not often someone calls the police to say they’re going to kill themselves and go ahead with it.
It’s the ones who just do it, they don’t tell anyone.
I don’t seek help after attending although it’s there if required.
Some that have stuck with me are a lady who lived on the face of it a great single life but stockpiled some meds and took the lot before going to bed and leaving a note. It was Christmas week and she had been up wrapping presents and hanging cards and decorating etc (neighbour had popped around and could tell us that’s what she was doing) her diary was full of appointments, parties, things she had scheduled over months with her work for dates and the like but then the same night she took her life and left a note apologising for whoever found her and had left the front door unlocked for us. Never gave a reason in the note.
The second was a young lady studying at a university and had done so well was offered work there. She was from the UK and fell into a little debt with rent. She wanted to return home to family but didn’t or felt she couldn’t due to owning rent as in her note she gave this as the reason for feeling so down that she felt the need to end everything. Again the front door was left unlocked and everything in the house had been packed and neatly placed for removing.
Some of the male ones have been because they had been caught cheating by their partner/wife.
In the main adults all over 30 but at the opposite end have been girls or boys in their teens.
A lot over 70 have been after a diagnosis of a serious or terminal illness and with no partner of close family have decided to end things.
Primarily most have been by overdose or hanging but some are via bridges and others quite ingenious ways that I won’t go into.
Not sure if any of that makes sense as I’m typing on my phone but one thing I will say is please speak to someone if you’re having issues or thoughts. I would happily spend hours on here or in person speaking and doing anything I can to help rather than have to lift you down from the staircase in front of your family or have to do that and then go and knock at their door and explain what’s gone on.
I don’t care what it is, I don’t care what you’ve done or what’s gone on, I don’t judge and can listen and if requested can offer practical advice.
turbobloke said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
The facts don't care about your considerations. PH is social media. But I realise that many on PH enjoy PH, whilst at the same time thinking they are a bit above something as tacky as social media.
Continuing O/T for a minute.All examples of social media are not the same, and it's not so much about 'above' as 'different'. If folks enjoy other social media experiences (beyond PH) good for them.
You may remember this was once a forum for car enthusiasts, not least performance cars such as TVRs. It was mostly populated by people with a common interest. That's nothing like the general dumping on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram et al. Which is not to say that you can't find a gem on any platform, however the search effort is more worthwhile in some places for some people. As PH expanded for commercial rather than special interest reasons, things changed, but not sufficiently as yet to blur the boundaries completely.
I must be really callous but I found the outpouring yesterday to be absolutely tedious and self-serving. Anyone with Twitter for example will have seen the thousands of copy paste empty headed posts from fellow media class luvvies, who apparently remembered they were big fans of hers. The constant blame game on the meejya, social media and even the bloody CPS was particularly untasteful.
She was a celebrity in the public eye and bashed her boyfriends head in like a thug. Of course she was going to be vilified by the media and the public, this is the game you play when you become successful from notoriety. If you have serious underlying mental health issues this is always going to be a recipe for disaster. This whole situation is very regrettable but the blame first and foremost lies with Flack herself.
She was a celebrity in the public eye and bashed her boyfriends head in like a thug. Of course she was going to be vilified by the media and the public, this is the game you play when you become successful from notoriety. If you have serious underlying mental health issues this is always going to be a recipe for disaster. This whole situation is very regrettable but the blame first and foremost lies with Flack herself.
Edited by RumbleOfThunder on Monday 17th February 13:04
Oakey said:
Robertj21a said:
You might not. Many others might.
There's many 000s on PH, some anonymously. You only had to read the many Brexit threads to see how personal and vindictive some people could become.
I can't see why PH wouldn't be considered by 'outsiders' to be social media.
There are not 000's posting on PH, there may be 000's of members but they're not all active. There's many 000s on PH, some anonymously. You only had to read the many Brexit threads to see how personal and vindictive some people could become.
I can't see why PH wouldn't be considered by 'outsiders' to be social media.
But his point still stands, if someone says "Robertj21a is a t
t" that's about as far as it goes. It's not like Facebook or Twitter where you're personally subjected to the vitriol of anyone and everyone. Some random person who arrived at this thread via Google is unlikely to sign up just to say "Yes, Robertj21a is definitely a tt". And besides, aren't we all hairy arsed be-goated blokes who run their own companies and have no fear of life? Being called a t
t on here is a rite of passage turbobloke said:
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You may remember this was once a forum for car enthusiasts, not least performance cars such as TVRs. It was mostly populated by people with a common interest. That's nothing like the general dumping on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram et al. Which is not to say that you can't find a gem on any platform, however the search effort is more worthwhile in some places for some people. As PH expanded for commercial rather than special interest reasons, things changed, but not sufficiently as yet to blur the boundaries completely.
This is an interesting angle...You may remember this was once a forum for car enthusiasts, not least performance cars such as TVRs. It was mostly populated by people with a common interest. That's nothing like the general dumping on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram et al. Which is not to say that you can't find a gem on any platform, however the search effort is more worthwhile in some places for some people. As PH expanded for commercial rather than special interest reasons, things changed, but not sufficiently as yet to blur the boundaries completely.
No empirical data on it, but it has felt to me over the last few years in NP&E that those stirring the pot/being offended the most seem to be those who only ever post in NP&E. Little/no common interest??
Ridgemont said:
Furthermore forums are practically as old as the internet (if not as). Subject threads are the key object in website forums. I read the topic and if interested contribute. In social media the key object is the individual and their social links. Very different.
Agreed. Sorry Twig - forums, whilst social, are not social media. PH is real people behind fake names - social media is fake people behind real names.PurpleTurtle said:
Very much in agreement here.
It's tragic that she's killed herself, but I take one look at her Instagram account and all it screams is "LOOK AT MY AMAZINGLY GLAMOROUS LIFE!"
In every photo she is on a red carpet, at some premiere, on an amazing holiday, doing the "you've-caught me-laughing-as-if -this-is-au-naturel-but-in-reality-we-took-twenty-versions-of-it-to-get-my-best-angle".
It's all so FAKE. She was front woman of a programme that exists purely to make shallow, vacuous people famous. It promotes the cult of celebrity - young girls wanting to be 'a celebrity' as a career ambition, which has become a thing since the whole advent of 'reality' TV. It totally boils my piss. We live in a society where young people - girls especially - are suffering all sorts of mental health challenges, anxiety, eating disorders, all driven by this idea of what is acceptable, all driven by social media, with people like Caroline Flack front and centre of it. Did she really care about the place she was playing in that whole stupid game? I don't think she did.
I've seen all manner of hand-wringers on my Facebook posting if you can be anything in this world, be kind memes attributed to Ms Flack, which is all a very nice sentiment and all that, but I'm also sat there going "whoa .... how about not basing your entire existence on something so false, and smacking your sleeping boyfriend round the head with a lamp so much that he's had to all the Police allegedly in fear of his life.
Lots of shouts of 'her management/ITV should have protected her'. Really? She was a grown woman of 40 years of age, how about she showed some personal responsibility.
Did she smack the boyfriend about? Seems certain.
Should she have been prosecuted? Yes.
Would it have been the end of the world if found guilty? No.
People do far, far worse things in their lives and get on with them. She would have lost the Love Island gig as obviously a convicted perp of DV as a host isn't great for advertisers, but so what? She could have styled it out. Lay low for a while, reinvent yourself, as many badly-behaved celebrities have done in the past.
Everyone jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the media for hounding her over this really needs to remember that she was a keen and active player in the whole charade.
For balance: I lived with a girlfriend with mental health issues like this for 3 years. Despite her privileged upbringing and outwardly 'nice' life she was constantly jealous of other people, thinking everyone's life was better. It is unremittingly tiring to put up with. I stood by her through a lot of trying times, but the day she jogged on out of my life was a relief for my mental health. I've heard all the BS round this before and bored of it. If you feel the need to go through a boyfirend's phone whilst he is sleeping then he's probably not the bloke for you. Binbag him and find someone else, don't assault him so that you end up in court. Simple, eh?
Put far more eloquently than I could have managed, I totally agree.It's tragic that she's killed herself, but I take one look at her Instagram account and all it screams is "LOOK AT MY AMAZINGLY GLAMOROUS LIFE!"
In every photo she is on a red carpet, at some premiere, on an amazing holiday, doing the "you've-caught me-laughing-as-if -this-is-au-naturel-but-in-reality-we-took-twenty-versions-of-it-to-get-my-best-angle".
It's all so FAKE. She was front woman of a programme that exists purely to make shallow, vacuous people famous. It promotes the cult of celebrity - young girls wanting to be 'a celebrity' as a career ambition, which has become a thing since the whole advent of 'reality' TV. It totally boils my piss. We live in a society where young people - girls especially - are suffering all sorts of mental health challenges, anxiety, eating disorders, all driven by this idea of what is acceptable, all driven by social media, with people like Caroline Flack front and centre of it. Did she really care about the place she was playing in that whole stupid game? I don't think she did.
I've seen all manner of hand-wringers on my Facebook posting if you can be anything in this world, be kind memes attributed to Ms Flack, which is all a very nice sentiment and all that, but I'm also sat there going "whoa .... how about not basing your entire existence on something so false, and smacking your sleeping boyfriend round the head with a lamp so much that he's had to all the Police allegedly in fear of his life.
Lots of shouts of 'her management/ITV should have protected her'. Really? She was a grown woman of 40 years of age, how about she showed some personal responsibility.
Did she smack the boyfriend about? Seems certain.
Should she have been prosecuted? Yes.
Would it have been the end of the world if found guilty? No.
People do far, far worse things in their lives and get on with them. She would have lost the Love Island gig as obviously a convicted perp of DV as a host isn't great for advertisers, but so what? She could have styled it out. Lay low for a while, reinvent yourself, as many badly-behaved celebrities have done in the past.
Everyone jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the media for hounding her over this really needs to remember that she was a keen and active player in the whole charade.
For balance: I lived with a girlfriend with mental health issues like this for 3 years. Despite her privileged upbringing and outwardly 'nice' life she was constantly jealous of other people, thinking everyone's life was better. It is unremittingly tiring to put up with. I stood by her through a lot of trying times, but the day she jogged on out of my life was a relief for my mental health. I've heard all the BS round this before and bored of it. If you feel the need to go through a boyfirend's phone whilst he is sleeping then he's probably not the bloke for you. Binbag him and find someone else, don't assault him so that you end up in court. Simple, eh?
Jinx said:
Ridgemont said:
Furthermore forums are practically as old as the internet (if not as). Subject threads are the key object in website forums. I read the topic and if interested contribute. In social media the key object is the individual and their social links. Very different.
Agreed. Sorry Twig - forums, whilst social, are not social media. PH is real people behind fake names - social media is fake people behind real names.There are millions of anonymous Twitter accounts. And millions of very decent people on Twitter. Write out a list of the 10 well known people you admire most in the world, and the 10 organisations you are most interested in, and let's see how many of them are on Twitter.
Murph7355 said:
This is an interesting angle...
No empirical data on it, but it has felt to me over the last few years in NP&E that those stirring the pot/being offended the most seem to be those who only ever post in NP&E. Little/no common interest??
I think you can separate NP&E apart from the rest of PH went thinking about what PH is and who is on it - 99% of the posts on NP&E seem to come from a core of 30 or so posters deliberately winding each other up. The other forums are a fairly pleasant place to be No empirical data on it, but it has felt to me over the last few years in NP&E that those stirring the pot/being offended the most seem to be those who only ever post in NP&E. Little/no common interest??
FunkyNige said:
Murph7355 said:
This is an interesting angle...
No empirical data on it, but it has felt to me over the last few years in NP&E that those stirring the pot/being offended the most seem to be those who only ever post in NP&E. Little/no common interest??
I think you can separate NP&E apart from the rest of PH went thinking about what PH is and who is on it - 99% of the posts on NP&E seem to come from a core of 30 or so posters deliberately winding each other up. The other forums are a fairly pleasant place to be No empirical data on it, but it has felt to me over the last few years in NP&E that those stirring the pot/being offended the most seem to be those who only ever post in NP&E. Little/no common interest??
I came here for car stuff, and whether intentionally or not, the site also displayed other non car threads which I found interesting.
Coin Slot. said:
PurpleTurtle said:
Very much in agreement here.
It's tragic that she's killed herself, but I take one look at her Instagram account and all it screams is "LOOK AT MY AMAZINGLY GLAMOROUS LIFE!"
In every photo she is on a red carpet, at some premiere, on an amazing holiday, doing the "you've-caught me-laughing-as-if -this-is-au-naturel-but-in-reality-we-took-twenty-versions-of-it-to-get-my-best-angle".
It's all so FAKE. She was front woman of a programme that exists purely to make shallow, vacuous people famous. It promotes the cult of celebrity - young girls wanting to be 'a celebrity' as a career ambition, which has become a thing since the whole advent of 'reality' TV. It totally boils my piss. We live in a society where young people - girls especially - are suffering all sorts of mental health challenges, anxiety, eating disorders, all driven by this idea of what is acceptable, all driven by social media, with people like Caroline Flack front and centre of it. Did she really care about the place she was playing in that whole stupid game? I don't think she did.
I've seen all manner of hand-wringers on my Facebook posting if you can be anything in this world, be kind memes attributed to Ms Flack, which is all a very nice sentiment and all that, but I'm also sat there going "whoa .... how about not basing your entire existence on something so false, and smacking your sleeping boyfriend round the head with a lamp so much that he's had to all the Police allegedly in fear of his life.
Lots of shouts of 'her management/ITV should have protected her'. Really? She was a grown woman of 40 years of age, how about she showed some personal responsibility.
Did she smack the boyfriend about? Seems certain.
Should she have been prosecuted? Yes.
Would it have been the end of the world if found guilty? No.
People do far, far worse things in their lives and get on with them. She would have lost the Love Island gig as obviously a convicted perp of DV as a host isn't great for advertisers, but so what? She could have styled it out. Lay low for a while, reinvent yourself, as many badly-behaved celebrities have done in the past.
Everyone jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the media for hounding her over this really needs to remember that she was a keen and active player in the whole charade.
For balance: I lived with a girlfriend with mental health issues like this for 3 years. Despite her privileged upbringing and outwardly 'nice' life she was constantly jealous of other people, thinking everyone's life was better. It is unremittingly tiring to put up with. I stood by her through a lot of trying times, but the day she jogged on out of my life was a relief for my mental health. I've heard all the BS round this before and bored of it. If you feel the need to go through a boyfirend's phone whilst he is sleeping then he's probably not the bloke for you. Binbag him and find someone else, don't assault him so that you end up in court. Simple, eh?
Put far more eloquently than I could have managed, I totally agree.It's tragic that she's killed herself, but I take one look at her Instagram account and all it screams is "LOOK AT MY AMAZINGLY GLAMOROUS LIFE!"
In every photo she is on a red carpet, at some premiere, on an amazing holiday, doing the "you've-caught me-laughing-as-if -this-is-au-naturel-but-in-reality-we-took-twenty-versions-of-it-to-get-my-best-angle".
It's all so FAKE. She was front woman of a programme that exists purely to make shallow, vacuous people famous. It promotes the cult of celebrity - young girls wanting to be 'a celebrity' as a career ambition, which has become a thing since the whole advent of 'reality' TV. It totally boils my piss. We live in a society where young people - girls especially - are suffering all sorts of mental health challenges, anxiety, eating disorders, all driven by this idea of what is acceptable, all driven by social media, with people like Caroline Flack front and centre of it. Did she really care about the place she was playing in that whole stupid game? I don't think she did.
I've seen all manner of hand-wringers on my Facebook posting if you can be anything in this world, be kind memes attributed to Ms Flack, which is all a very nice sentiment and all that, but I'm also sat there going "whoa .... how about not basing your entire existence on something so false, and smacking your sleeping boyfriend round the head with a lamp so much that he's had to all the Police allegedly in fear of his life.
Lots of shouts of 'her management/ITV should have protected her'. Really? She was a grown woman of 40 years of age, how about she showed some personal responsibility.
Did she smack the boyfriend about? Seems certain.
Should she have been prosecuted? Yes.
Would it have been the end of the world if found guilty? No.
People do far, far worse things in their lives and get on with them. She would have lost the Love Island gig as obviously a convicted perp of DV as a host isn't great for advertisers, but so what? She could have styled it out. Lay low for a while, reinvent yourself, as many badly-behaved celebrities have done in the past.
Everyone jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the media for hounding her over this really needs to remember that she was a keen and active player in the whole charade.
For balance: I lived with a girlfriend with mental health issues like this for 3 years. Despite her privileged upbringing and outwardly 'nice' life she was constantly jealous of other people, thinking everyone's life was better. It is unremittingly tiring to put up with. I stood by her through a lot of trying times, but the day she jogged on out of my life was a relief for my mental health. I've heard all the BS round this before and bored of it. If you feel the need to go through a boyfirend's phone whilst he is sleeping then he's probably not the bloke for you. Binbag him and find someone else, don't assault him so that you end up in court. Simple, eh?
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