How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 9)
Discussion
dandarez said:
Where the f did the figure of half a million come from? I'm a 60s teen and I remember well the figure being quoted at the time was around 300,000.
Anyway, irrelevant - THIS COUNTRY, yeah, in what some now term the bad ol' days (who weren't born then of course!) ie: the good ol' UK eclipsed Woodstock just a year later with the Isle of Wight Festival in 1970 (I was there up on Afton Down (tent) and it was f brilliant - even the weather was kind - unlike for those at Woodstock. I got sunburnt as did my mates!).
3 quid for Fri, Sat, Sun. Wed & Thurs were free! Mind you, it was free for a lot of tight sods who got in without paying.
(Guinness Book of Records) 600,000 up to possibly 700,000!
So many turned up that Parliament was scared to death (they've always interfered - nothing changes) and the quickly introduced a section to the Isle of Wight County Council Act 1971 preventing overnight and open-air gatherings of more than 5,000 people on the island without a special licence from the council.
It's well documented as being half a million strong........................Anyway, irrelevant - THIS COUNTRY, yeah, in what some now term the bad ol' days (who weren't born then of course!) ie: the good ol' UK eclipsed Woodstock just a year later with the Isle of Wight Festival in 1970 (I was there up on Afton Down (tent) and it was f brilliant - even the weather was kind - unlike for those at Woodstock. I got sunburnt as did my mates!).
3 quid for Fri, Sat, Sun. Wed & Thurs were free! Mind you, it was free for a lot of tight sods who got in without paying.
(Guinness Book of Records) 600,000 up to possibly 700,000!
So many turned up that Parliament was scared to death (they've always interfered - nothing changes) and the quickly introduced a section to the Isle of Wight County Council Act 1971 preventing overnight and open-air gatherings of more than 5,000 people on the island without a special licence from the council.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sH0uR2u7Hs
enjoy
Otis Criblecoblis said:
Piha said:
I have to agree with you there. So many Leave voters now seem so angry now they realise they were lied to by Bojo, Farage, JRM, DD & chums.
You keep saying this, despite the evidence there's been only a small shift in the way people would now vote, something I'd expect at the crunch point of a negotiations anyway .Just so we all know, what was the single biggest lie ?
NoNeed said:
Piha said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
crankedup said:
It is extremely sad to see such apparent excitement over an online poll. Still it’s all harmless and inconsequential.
just allow them this moment its going to be short lived.https://splasho.com/petitions/index.php?petition=2...
I've seen something similar on 'Inside the Factory' presented by Gregg Wallace and Cherry Healey.
I can't remember what product was being manufactured and being counted, the speed of the counter wasn't as impressive as the one shown in the link above though, have the bots lost control?
don'tbesilly said:
NoNeed said:
Piha said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
crankedup said:
It is extremely sad to see such apparent excitement over an online poll. Still it’s all harmless and inconsequential.
just allow them this moment its going to be short lived.https://splasho.com/petitions/index.php?petition=2...
I've seen something similar on 'Inside the Factory' presented by Gregg Wallace and Cherry Healey.
I can't remember what product was being manufactured and being counted, the speed of the counter wasn't as impressive as the one shown in the link above though, have the bots lost control?
https://order-order.com/2019/03/21/foreign-actors-...
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don'tbesilly said:
NoNeed said:
Piha said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
crankedup said:
It is extremely sad to see such apparent excitement over an online poll. Still it’s all harmless and inconsequential.
just allow them this moment its going to be short lived.https://splasho.com/petitions/index.php?petition=2...
I've seen something similar on 'Inside the Factory' presented by Gregg Wallace and Cherry Healey.
I can't remember what product was being manufactured and being counted, the speed of the counter wasn't as impressive as the one shown in the link above though, have the bots lost control?
Piha said:
crankedup said:
Piha said:
crankedup said:
Lost what? you come across as a sad individual with lots to say but has zero substance.Guess that’s the qualification required for remain voters, get questions you can’t answer and trot off befuddled. Next.
Why the insults? However, whilst on the subject of insult I have had hurled at myself from remainers in here
‘I hope you die soon’ xenophobic, racist, and a whole load more for simply stating my political position in the referendum debate.
wc98 said:
crankedup said:
Whilst talk of fishing, weren’t the French kicking up merry hell against our fishermen who were exercising thier right to fish for oysters or cockles or some other shellfish.The French don’t like the EU regulations when they go against their own home policies it seems. Club for all my arse.
shellfish species was scallops. it was an agreement they themselves were part of negotiating, then they decided they didn't want to play anymore. the agreement pre dates the cfp.
So the million person march
Copied from elsewhere from a cop watching it :
I watched it from CCTv and heliteli. It was a big March but no way a million. Think LFB had it down at 450,000 and we had it down at 200,000. There were other non Brexit marches that day also.
Bearing in mind that the Met have been accurately measuring protest numbers since 1829
Copied from elsewhere from a cop watching it :
I watched it from CCTv and heliteli. It was a big March but no way a million. Think LFB had it down at 450,000 and we had it down at 200,000. There were other non Brexit marches that day also.
Bearing in mind that the Met have been accurately measuring protest numbers since 1829
SeeFive said:
Yeh, exactly, that’s wot I meant to say to him and Nick too 
Fair to say that a lot of that is way over my head as a layman, but you seem to understand your stuff. I tend to think we would be better off managing our own fisheries in the UK but from an economic perspective rather than an ecological one.
So as someone with more knowledge than me, do you feel that we would be better able to manage our fish stocks and associated industry and sport without the overarching EU fisheries policy? If you can elaborate a little, I would also be grateful - it’s not something I get informed about too often but please don’t feel compelled as you could get drawn in deeper by the crowd.
TIA. Every day is a school day.
i am not an expert by any means (nick will be glad to know) but we have examples in recent and not so recent history of what is required to maintain a healthy balance in marine stocks. the 3 mile limit in scotland was a good example of this as it kept all the main estuaries free from mobile fishing gear, with a few exceptions like limited amounts of scallop fishing. uk estuaries to their outer limits are all nursery areas for a myriad of species , keep them free from modern mobile fishing gear and numbers of recruits of dozens of species will increase.Fair to say that a lot of that is way over my head as a layman, but you seem to understand your stuff. I tend to think we would be better off managing our own fisheries in the UK but from an economic perspective rather than an ecological one.
So as someone with more knowledge than me, do you feel that we would be better able to manage our fish stocks and associated industry and sport without the overarching EU fisheries policy? If you can elaborate a little, I would also be grateful - it’s not something I get informed about too often but please don’t feel compelled as you could get drawn in deeper by the crowd.
TIA. Every day is a school day.
that would go down like a lead balloon in some areas but if we keep going like we are something along the lines of huge marine protected areas will eventually be brought in to the detriment of all.
the speed of reaction to changes in all areas needs to improve. recently we had the real time closure scheme in the north sea, whereby when a certain threshold of juvenile cod were being caught per hour in a particular area ,a report would be sent in to marine scotland and the area closed, for a month i think. at one point a few years back it was thousands of square miles closed off albeit on a voluntary basis.
investment in the science that supports informed decision making. it's not by luck the norwegians do fisheries management so well. they are right at the forefront of egg and larvae sampling and subsequent yearly recruitment. this allows them to plan for fishing effort instead of reacting to trends as we see in the eu.
i can see the arguments for and against exploitation of spawning aggregations of fish. for says it is more cost efficient and environmentally friendly to put less effort and fuel into catching more fish. the flip side is it generally depresses market prices when large quantities of a single species come to market at once and the very fish relied upon to produce subsequent years stocks are being caught just prior to that stock being created. i personally favour closing known spawning grounds/areas on spatial and time dependent basis.
a word i now don't like (used too often incorrectly in modern day political speak) is holistic. however marine management is a perfect example of where a holistic approach is needed. in a mixed fishery as we have in uk and eu waters, i think smart seasonal area closures,a 1 mile limit for mobile gear along with a uk wide (as opposed to scotland only at the moment) ban on single strand mono gill nets with possession alone being a crime, we could see a major improvement in the lot not only of uk salt water stocks but migratory species as well, while maintaining a healthy commercial sector.
doh, forgot the main bit. outside of the eu we have near limitless opportunity to introduce measures where we see fit that could improve things. it might take a while though as i am not sure how strong the departments are that would do the overseeing. would be a big change from rubber stamping eu regs to having to think and implement on our own. i am sure we would get there though.
Edited by wc98 on Sunday 24th March 19:12
Piha, you and 123 post such infantile posts regularly (woohoo 5 million votes etc) and wonder why people respond in a somewhat prickly way. You are a perfect example of a troll and should be called out on it. Seriously, read some of the pathetic posts you have made recently, if they aren't designed purely to get reactions from people with an opposing viewpoint then I don't know why you post them. Obvious troll is obvious. I would like to think even some of the more ardent remainers cringe when your latest 'offerings' appear.
SeeFive said:
I honestly doubt that but thank you for the kind comment whilst making your point about the apparently useless EU fisheries folks.
Living where I do, I meet a lot of ex fishermen forced into in new trades to support their families, and to a man they all condemn the EU fisheries policy as the reason. I guess it could have a bit of cronyism or “Thatcher and miners” in there too, but it really seems to be a common and very strongly held view in their declining profession.
to be fair to the actual eu experts they have little blame to shoulder. the politicisation of fisheries has been a disgrace and nothing more than a bartering tool when it comes to the annual quota allocations. scientists advise commission of sensible limits, commission agree, then ignore during negotiations.Living where I do, I meet a lot of ex fishermen forced into in new trades to support their families, and to a man they all condemn the EU fisheries policy as the reason. I guess it could have a bit of cronyism or “Thatcher and miners” in there too, but it really seems to be a common and very strongly held view in their declining profession.
Vanden Saab said:
don'tbesilly said:
NoNeed said:
Piha said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
crankedup said:
It is extremely sad to see such apparent excitement over an online poll. Still it’s all harmless and inconsequential.
just allow them this moment its going to be short lived.https://splasho.com/petitions/index.php?petition=2...
I've seen something similar on 'Inside the Factory' presented by Gregg Wallace and Cherry Healey.
I can't remember what product was being manufactured and being counted, the speed of the counter wasn't as impressive as the one shown in the link above though, have the bots lost control?
Piha said:
I have to agree with you there. So many Leave voters now seem so angry now they realise they were lied to by Bojo, Farage, JRM, DD & chums.
Ordinarily, you would expect a massive reaction against these chancers, and the Tories in general for their pretty dismal handling of Brexit.But where else can these voters go? There is no credible alternative on the right of politics.
Earthdweller said:
So the million person march
Copied from elsewhere from a cop watching it :
I watched it from CCTv and heliteli. It was a big March but no way a million. Think LFB had it down at 450,000 and we had it down at 200,000. There were other non Brexit marches that day also.
Bearing in mind that the Met have been accurately measuring protest numbers since 1829
Proof? Copied from elsewhere from a cop watching it :
I watched it from CCTv and heliteli. It was a big March but no way a million. Think LFB had it down at 450,000 and we had it down at 200,000. There were other non Brexit marches that day also.
Bearing in mind that the Met have been accurately measuring protest numbers since 1829
Vanden Saab said:
Otis Criblecoblis said:
Piha said:
I have to agree with you there. So many Leave voters now seem so angry now they realise they were lied to by Bojo, Farage, JRM, DD & chums.
You keep saying this, despite the evidence there's been only a small shift in the way people would now vote, something I'd expect at the crunch point of a negotiations anyway .Just so we all know, what was the single biggest lie ?
It's also open to any other Remainers who want to answer.
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