CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

[jshell]

I try to avoid deep rabbit-holes surounding Covid, but when checking timelines on the vaccines it seems Moderna were working on a vaccine for Covid in Jan 2020 prior to their being more than 2 Chinese and 1 US fatality. Given the fatality rates of common Influenza, how did they predict the need for $$$$$$$$ of investment for a vaccine that would be rolled-out to billions worldwide.

Trump's wife tweeted that a deal had been signed with Moderna on the 13th January 2020

I don't think that we should underestimate what this means.

[andyA700]

I have posted figures regarding the ADR reports into injuries and deaths from the AZ vaccines. There was an enquiry in London on 22nd May where the full extent of the injuries and deaths were revealed.

https://x.com/CarpentrySol/status/1793551808453075...

[rider73]

andyA700 said:

I have posted figures regarding the ADR reports into injuries and deaths from the AZ vaccines. There was an enquiry in London on 22nd May where the full extent of the injuries and deaths were revealed.

https://x.com/CarpentrySol/status/1793551808453075...

I wonder where the BBC headline is for this? Hmm buried

[RSTurboPaul]

One presumes Mr Hancock has a sense of humour, as otherwise...

https://x.com/karma44921039/status/179397301269558...

[r3g]

Come on Paul.... That's so obviously fake I'm quite disappointed in you. Look at the name header formatting and the speech bubbles - or rather lack of in the bottom 2 quotes. You're just giving away free ammo to the rabble-rousers with that.

[Elysium]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/05/matt-h...

[BigMon]

Elysium said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/05/matt-h...

Is this not yet more proof that he is a grade-A pillock (not that proof was needed) rather than some 'ZOMG smoking gun'?

It just demonstrates the utter political amoebas we have in charge of the country and have had for the last few years.

This is someone who was playing away in full view of CCTV cameras while telling everyone to wear masks and distance. TBH I'd quite happily see him and a few others tarred, feathered and bullwhipped down Whitehall.

[Mr Penguin]

Obviously a joke

[Boringvolvodriver]

BigMon said:

Elysium said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/05/matt-h...

Is this not yet more proof that he is a grade-A pillock (not that proof was needed) rather than some 'ZOMG smoking gun'?

It just demonstrates the utter political amoebas we have in charge of the country and have had for the last few years.

This is someone who was playing away in full view of CCTV cameras while telling everyone to wear masks and distance. TBH I'd quite happily see him and a few others tarred, feathered and bullwhipped down Whitehall.

agree - clearly his attempt at being funny although it also raises the question of why they were wanting to get Gates involved. I suppose his money would have helped with the platform though.

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jshell said:

I try to avoid deep rabbit-holes surounding Covid, but when checking timelines on the vaccines it seems Moderna were working on a vaccine for Covid in Jan 2020 prior to their being more than 2 Chinese and 1 US fatality. Given the fatality rates of common Influenza, how did they predict the need for $$$$$$$$ of investment for a vaccine that would be rolled-out to billions worldwide.

Trump's wife tweeted that a deal had been signed with Moderna on the 13th January 2020

I don't think that we should underestimate what this means.

So you think that cure is better than prevention, or being prepared?

[jshell]

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[Unreal]

In case you wanted to know how they all voted:

https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division...

[RSTurboPaul]

Unreal said:

In case you wanted to know how they all voted:

https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division...

150 Labour votes, of which 8 were Noes.

One might not feel confident of much pushback in the future if a red party is in power when 'the next pandemic' arrives.

[jshell]

RSTurboPaul said:

Unreal said:

In case you wanted to know how they all voted:

https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division...

150 Labour votes, of which 8 were Noes.

One might not feel confident of much pushback in the future if a red party is in power when 'the next pandemic' arrives.

Yes: 'when'. But, non-compliance is the key and our only power against it.

[Boringvolvodriver]

jshell said:

RSTurboPaul said:

Unreal said:

In case you wanted to know how they all voted:

https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division...

150 Labour votes, of which 8 were Noes.

One might not feel confident of much pushback in the future if a red party is in power when 'the next pandemic' arrives.

Yes: 'when'. But, non-compliance is the key and our only power against it.

Agree although Covid demonstrated that a lot of people were more than happy to comply- much more than I ever expected. I suspect it will be the same next time despite what people say.

[r3g]

Jsut carry on as normal and say "sorry, I'm exempt" to the screaming karens and kevins and breeze straight past, same as before.

[Elysium]

jshell said:

RSTurboPaul said:

Unreal said:

In case you wanted to know how they all voted:

https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division...

150 Labour votes, of which 8 were Noes.

One might not feel confident of much pushback in the future if a red party is in power when 'the next pandemic' arrives.

Yes: 'when'. But, non-compliance is the key and our only power against it.

My MP voted ‘no’

I like to think my letters to him might have had some small influence. He certainly turned against the various restrictions as time went on. I know he read them because he directed some of my questions to ministers and kept me up to date on his efforts to encourage them to reply.

The scariest part of this is that several Labour MPs voting ‘no’ will have done so because they would rather have seen these venues continue to remain closed.

[Hants PHer]

James6112 said:

So when you get pulled up for driving to a park for a run (I pushed it but just about passed the attitude test)

How are you going to not comply, if there is another global pandemic?

Walk the wrong in Tesco?
Go for 2 walks a day?
Have a party!

Just interested how the free thinkers would non-comply!

Well, remember that guidance and legislation were separate things. For example, driving to a park, the arrows on Tesco's floor and the 2 walks a day were never part of legislation (in England at least), whereas the 'having a party for non-household members' was.

My own view was as follows: 1) ignore guidance, but 2) be polite at all times and 3) obey the legislation. Not sure if that makes me a 'free thinker', whatever that might be.

[Elysium]

Hants PHer said:

James6112 said:

So when you get pulled up for driving to a park for a run (I pushed it but just about passed the attitude test)

How are you going to not comply, if there is another global pandemic?

Walk the wrong in Tesco?
Go for 2 walks a day?
Have a party!

Just interested how the free thinkers would non-comply!

Well, remember that guidance and legislation were separate things. For example, driving to a park, the arrows on Tesco's floor and the 2 walks a day were never part of legislation (in England at least), whereas the 'having a party for non-household members' was.

My own view was as follows: 1) ignore guidance, but 2) be polite at all times and 3) obey the legislation. Not sure if that makes me a 'free thinker', whatever that might be.

I am proud to say that I broke the law many times.

[Boringvolvodriver]

Elysium said:

Hants PHer said:

James6112 said:

So when you get pulled up for driving to a park for a run (I pushed it but just about passed the attitude test)

How are you going to not comply, if there is another global pandemic?

Walk the wrong in Tesco?
Go for 2 walks a day?
Have a party!

Just interested how the free thinkers would non-comply!

Well, remember that guidance and legislation were separate things. For example, driving to a park, the arrows on Tesco's floor and the 2 walks a day were never part of legislation (in England at least), whereas the 'having a party for non-household members' was.

My own view was as follows: 1) ignore guidance, but 2) be polite at all times and 3) obey the legislation. Not sure if that makes me a 'free thinker', whatever that might be.

I am proud to say that I broke the law many times.

Was it ever “law” though? There was so much that was guidance but badged as law. The legislation, such as it was, was so badly written that even the government didn’t understand it and the police certainly didn’t.

I would challenge James6112 and anyone else to say that they stuck to the rules fully and never strayed outside them.

My experience is that after the initial panic had died down, people were somewhat flexible with their interpretation despite shouting down those of us who were more visibly breaking the “law”.