How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)
Discussion
don'tbesilly said:
Yes just read that.
Extraordinary that May thinks that the above represents anything like what Leave voters actually voted for.
It's as though May read all her speeches, speeches made to world wide audiences, and since May took office, without knowing beforehand what the text of said speeches actually meant.
One wonders just how far May will go with her capitulations, the Maybots oft used phrase 'Brexit means Brexit' becomes 'Brexit means no Brexit'.
'No deal is better than a bad deal' becomes 'Any deal will do'
and
'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' becomes 'I'll agree to anything until it's all agreed'
May can't possibly last, can she?
Didn't you vote for May?Extraordinary that May thinks that the above represents anything like what Leave voters actually voted for.
It's as though May read all her speeches, speeches made to world wide audiences, and since May took office, without knowing beforehand what the text of said speeches actually meant.
One wonders just how far May will go with her capitulations, the Maybots oft used phrase 'Brexit means Brexit' becomes 'Brexit means no Brexit'.
'No deal is better than a bad deal' becomes 'Any deal will do'
and
'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' becomes 'I'll agree to anything until it's all agreed'
May can't possibly last, can she?
Ghibli said:
don'tbesilly said:
Yes just read that.
Extraordinary that May thinks that the above represents anything like what Leave voters actually voted for.
It's as though May read all her speeches, speeches made to world wide audiences, and since May took office, without knowing beforehand what the text of said speeches actually meant.
One wonders just how far May will go with her capitulations, the Maybots oft used phrase 'Brexit means Brexit' becomes 'Brexit means no Brexit'.
'No deal is better than a bad deal' becomes 'Any deal will do'
and
'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' becomes 'I'll agree to anything until it's all agreed'
May can't possibly last, can she?
Didn't you vote for May?Extraordinary that May thinks that the above represents anything like what Leave voters actually voted for.
It's as though May read all her speeches, speeches made to world wide audiences, and since May took office, without knowing beforehand what the text of said speeches actually meant.
One wonders just how far May will go with her capitulations, the Maybots oft used phrase 'Brexit means Brexit' becomes 'Brexit means no Brexit'.
'No deal is better than a bad deal' becomes 'Any deal will do'
and
'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' becomes 'I'll agree to anything until it's all agreed'
May can't possibly last, can she?
Or is it a claim that don'tbesilly is actually a Conservative politician / Party wallah who could have voted in the leadership election?
Ghibli said:
don'tbesilly said:
Yes just read that.
Extraordinary that May thinks that the above represents anything like what Leave voters actually voted for.
It's as though May read all her speeches, speeches made to world wide audiences, and since May took office, without knowing beforehand what the text of said speeches actually meant.
One wonders just how far May will go with her capitulations, the Maybots oft used phrase 'Brexit means Brexit' becomes 'Brexit means no Brexit'.
'No deal is better than a bad deal' becomes 'Any deal will do'
and
'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' becomes 'I'll agree to anything until it's all agreed'
May can't possibly last, can she?
Didn't you vote for May?Extraordinary that May thinks that the above represents anything like what Leave voters actually voted for.
It's as though May read all her speeches, speeches made to world wide audiences, and since May took office, without knowing beforehand what the text of said speeches actually meant.
One wonders just how far May will go with her capitulations, the Maybots oft used phrase 'Brexit means Brexit' becomes 'Brexit means no Brexit'.
'No deal is better than a bad deal' becomes 'Any deal will do'
and
'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' becomes 'I'll agree to anything until it's all agreed'
May can't possibly last, can she?
Can you give me a reason why I should now answer your query?
Or will "is it relevant" do as an answer, because it is now an irrelevance whether I voted for May back in June 2017.
turbobloke said:
Is that irony, as in, nobody in the UK has ever had a ballot paper with the names Juncker or Tusk on it?
Or is it a claim that don'tbesilly is actually a Conservative politician / Party wallah who could have voted in the leadership election?
I think he's trying to suggest that if you voted for May, you voted for whatever deal she comes up with.....Or is it a claim that don'tbesilly is actually a Conservative politician / Party wallah who could have voted in the leadership election?
(He thinks he's being clever)
Ghibli said:
z4RRSchris said:
f
king hell you made me laugh this morning.
we had the in / out vote. we voted out.
in my humble opinion we will leave with no deal, and at the last minute a extension to current rules for another 2 years will take place.
It makes me laugh that leave voted to leave and they still don't know what they want or will be getting.king hell you made me laugh this morning. we had the in / out vote. we voted out.
in my humble opinion we will leave with no deal, and at the last minute a extension to current rules for another 2 years will take place.
They seem to think it would be ok to have a referendum on what they will be getting though.
i was pretty sure there was no way we would be able to negoiate a deal and would leave on WTO terms. im happy with the current way things are going.
the great unwashed believed a load of hype from people who were not in government (nigel, boris, etc) and they are stupid for doing so.
With so many lies and false trails, who to believe is the big problem. Those with most money to gain (or lose)? Those with bigger secret backing? Those with a bigger crystal ball? Official gov stats could be seen as ‘speculative’ but on-record official appointments might be closer to the mark. With the appointment of this guy although some time ago, and the job description, there seems a bit more commitment. His appointment and any subsequent progress are, so far as I can see, under the radar.
Crawford Falconer, Chief Trade Negotiation at Dept. of International Trade.
Crawford Falconer, Chief Trade Negotiation at Dept. of International Trade.
Edited by Thorodin on Monday 30th July 13:53
Edited by Thorodin on Monday 30th July 13:55
z4RRSchris said:
Ghibli said:
z4RRSchris said:
fking hell you made me laugh this morning.
we had the in / out vote. we voted out.
in my humble opinion we will leave with no deal, and at the last minute a extension to current rules for another 2 years will take place.
It makes me laugh that leave voted to leave and they still don't know what they want or will be getting.king hell you made me laugh this morning. we had the in / out vote. we voted out.
in my humble opinion we will leave with no deal, and at the last minute a extension to current rules for another 2 years will take place.
They seem to think it would be ok to have a referendum on what they will be getting though.
i was pretty sure there was no way we would be able to negoiate a deal and would leave on WTO terms. im happy with the current way things are going.
the great unwashed believed a load of hype from people who were not in government (nigel, boris, etc) and they are stupid for doing so.
Believing any politician is, well, foolish.
Also, you're quite right x2, the reality is that the UK voted out (Leave) with no strings attached.
Not that this will stop Remain dreamers from dreaming up something unreal.
z4RRSchris said:
i dont blame the remainers,
the UK will intially be worse off, 100%. There is no way the EU will allow the UK to have a better position out of the EU. hence why i think there will be no deal.
then corbyn will get in and we will all be fked.
Eh? 100% worse off? Everything gone? I don't there are enough caves to go round. the UK will intially be worse off, 100%. There is no way the EU will allow the UK to have a better position out of the EU. hence why i think there will be no deal.
then corbyn will get in and we will all be f
ked. And if that's the case, how can Corbyn make it worse?
z4RRSchris said:
i dont blame the remainers,
the UK will intially be worse off, 100%. There is no way the EU will allow the UK to have a better position out of the EU. hence why i think there will be no deal.
then corbyn will get in and we will all be fked.
There will be a deal over most of the mundane day to day stuff but the trade deal is going to be the sticking point I think.the UK will intially be worse off, 100%. There is no way the EU will allow the UK to have a better position out of the EU. hence why i think there will be no deal.
then corbyn will get in and we will all be f
ked. It’s proving to be quite an interesting thing Brexit.
z4RRSchris said:
i dont blame the remainers...
What for?Sentiment is an intangible with tangible impacts.
As for Corbyn getting in, I resolutely expect that the UK electorate, having seen tnrough the astronomical bribes once and with an eye to the result of having Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott running the show, will not vote to make Corbyn PM. This is more rationally supported by the point that there were insufficient numbers of students and other youth groups last time around and there almost certainly won't be enough this time no matter how many of them vote (several times).
Almost because nothing is certain except death and taxes.
turbobloke said:
What for?
Sentiment is an intangible with tangible impacts.
As for Corbyn getting in, I resolutely expect that the UK electorate, having seen tnrough the astronomical bribes once and with an eye to the result of having Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott running the show, will not vote to make Corbyn PM. This is more rationally supported by the point that there were insufficient numbers of students and other youth groups last time around and there almost certainly won't be anough this time no matter how many of them vote several times.
Almost because nothing is certain except death and taxes.
I wouldn’t be so sure. It depends who replaces May, if it’s Boris or JRM then they may as well save us the cost of an election and just make Jeremy PM for life now. What a terrifying prospect.Sentiment is an intangible with tangible impacts.
As for Corbyn getting in, I resolutely expect that the UK electorate, having seen tnrough the astronomical bribes once and with an eye to the result of having Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott running the show, will not vote to make Corbyn PM. This is more rationally supported by the point that there were insufficient numbers of students and other youth groups last time around and there almost certainly won't be anough this time no matter how many of them vote several times.
Almost because nothing is certain except death and taxes.
djc206 said:
turbobloke said:
What for?
Sentiment is an intangible with tangible impacts.
As for Corbyn getting in, I resolutely expect that the UK electorate, having seen tnrough the astronomical bribes once and with an eye to the result of having Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott running the show, will not vote to make Corbyn PM. This is more rationally supported by the point that there were insufficient numbers of students and other youth groups last time around and there almost certainly won't be anough this time no matter how many of them vote several times.
Almost because nothing is certain except death and taxes.
I wouldn’t be so sure. It depends who replaces May, if it’s Boris or JRM then they may as well save us the cost of an election and just make Jeremy PM for life now. What a terrifying prospect.Sentiment is an intangible with tangible impacts.
As for Corbyn getting in, I resolutely expect that the UK electorate, having seen tnrough the astronomical bribes once and with an eye to the result of having Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott running the show, will not vote to make Corbyn PM. This is more rationally supported by the point that there were insufficient numbers of students and other youth groups last time around and there almost certainly won't be anough this time no matter how many of them vote several times.
Almost because nothing is certain except death and taxes.
djc206 said:
There will be a deal over most of the mundane day to day stuff but the trade deal is going to be the sticking point I think.
It’s proving to be quite an interesting thing Brexit.
And the Irish border. The following is worth a watch and gives an idea of what may or may not happen. No mention of this from Vote leave, Cameron may have mentioned war.It’s proving to be quite an interesting thing Brexit.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=82edi9VJrn8
Ghibli said:
andymadmak said:
I think he's trying to suggest that if you voted for May, you voted for whatever deal she comes up with.....
(He thinks he's being clever)
But don'tbesilly kept asking people who they voted for.(He thinks he's being clever)
(He thought he was being clever)
I remember that the Lib Dems did quite badly at the GE.
I voted for May because I believed her when she said that she would honour the referendum result, and that Brexit meant Brexit (my understanding of THAT was no membership of SM or CU.. a transition period of 2 years or less during which we would meet reasonable financial obligations and WTO thereafter)
Ghibli said:
andymadmak said:
I think he's trying to suggest that if you voted for May, you voted for whatever deal she comes up with.....
(He thinks he's being clever)
But don'tbesilly kept asking people who they voted for.(He thinks he's being clever)
(He thought he was being clever)
Prove me wrong.
djc206 said:
turbobloke said:
What for?
Sentiment is an intangible with tangible impacts.
As for Corbyn getting in, I resolutely expect that the UK electorate, having seen tnrough the astronomical bribes once and with an eye to the result of having Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott running the show, will not vote to make Corbyn PM. This is more rationally supported by the point that there were insufficient numbers of students and other youth groups last time around and there almost certainly won't be anough this time no matter how many of them vote several times.
Almost because nothing is certain except death and taxes.
I wouldn’t be so sure. It depends who replaces May, if it’s Boris or JRM then they may as well save us the cost of an election and just make Jeremy PM for life now. What a terrifying prospect.Sentiment is an intangible with tangible impacts.
As for Corbyn getting in, I resolutely expect that the UK electorate, having seen tnrough the astronomical bribes once and with an eye to the result of having Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott running the show, will not vote to make Corbyn PM. This is more rationally supported by the point that there were insufficient numbers of students and other youth groups last time around and there almost certainly won't be anough this time no matter how many of them vote several times.
Almost because nothing is certain except death and taxes.
Helicopter123 said:
On the idea of a second vote, you could have three options.
1. Remain
2. Accept the negotiated Deal
3. Leave with 'no deal'.
First and Second Preference votes.
There would be no room for any 'politician' to misread the instruction.
From what I can gather, no one is happy with the current deal, but it would be better than the 'no deal' scenario which is the one we are (almost) all trying to avoid other than the rabid foamers.
I voted Leave.1. Remain
2. Accept the negotiated Deal
3. Leave with 'no deal'.
First and Second Preference votes.
There would be no room for any 'politician' to misread the instruction.
From what I can gather, no one is happy with the current deal, but it would be better than the 'no deal' scenario which is the one we are (almost) all trying to avoid other than the rabid foamers.
Id put down 3) as my primary and 1) as my secondary. Of course you know we'd end up with a tie between those 2.
Lets say:
Leave 49%
Remain 49%
Mays s
te 2%And around we go again
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