Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party (Vol. 2)
Discussion
powerstroke said:
Or if you're the average person fed up with the direction of travel and soundbites
from the two main parties he is a breath of fresh air ,
I doubt there will be any reason to vote tory next time , Starmer has watered down Labour
so their isn't any reason to vote for the least worst option to keep them out , I just hope I have an opportunity to vote for the reform party , otherwise I will spoil my card ...
Why do you want to support them? What are their manifesto pledges? What are they going to do in 2024?from the two main parties he is a breath of fresh air ,
I doubt there will be any reason to vote tory next time , Starmer has watered down Labour
so their isn't any reason to vote for the least worst option to keep them out , I just hope I have an opportunity to vote for the reform party , otherwise I will spoil my card ...
El stovey said:
Sure but the next election isn’t until 2024 and by then lockdowns will be a thing of the past or there will be some new kind of economy by then.
I might agree with Farage over lockdowns, it might make some people support him with a vote but there aren't any elections.
Does farage think people against lockdowns will start supporting him now and keep supporting him over some other ‘against stuff’ issues in the future when there’s an election?
There are local elections due in May.I might agree with Farage over lockdowns, it might make some people support him with a vote but there aren't any elections.
Does farage think people against lockdowns will start supporting him now and keep supporting him over some other ‘against stuff’ issues in the future when there’s an election?
Tory MPs are known for changing direction sharpish if they can see their core vote sliding away. Even that would very late of course, but Farage doesn't have to win MPs to change the course of politics.
El stovey said:
powerstroke said:
Or if you're the average person fed up with the direction of travel and soundbites
from the two main parties he is a breath of fresh air ,
I doubt there will be any reason to vote tory next time , Starmer has watered down Labour
so their isn't any reason to vote for the least worst option to keep them out , I just hope I have an opportunity to vote for the reform party , otherwise I will spoil my card ...
Why do you want to support them? What are their manifesto pledges? What are they going to do in 2024?from the two main parties he is a breath of fresh air ,
I doubt there will be any reason to vote tory next time , Starmer has watered down Labour
so their isn't any reason to vote for the least worst option to keep them out , I just hope I have an opportunity to vote for the reform party , otherwise I will spoil my card ...
What are the other parties going to do ??? we know voting labour or tory allways has the same result!!! IE it glitters and looks ok but once unwrapped its just a large turd ....
powerstroke said:
El stovey said:
powerstroke said:
Or if you're the average person fed up with the direction of travel and soundbites
from the two main parties he is a breath of fresh air ,
I doubt there will be any reason to vote tory next time , Starmer has watered down Labour
so their isn't any reason to vote for the least worst option to keep them out , I just hope I have an opportunity to vote for the reform party , otherwise I will spoil my card ...
Why do you want to support them? What are their manifesto pledges? What are they going to do in 2024?from the two main parties he is a breath of fresh air ,
I doubt there will be any reason to vote tory next time , Starmer has watered down Labour
so their isn't any reason to vote for the least worst option to keep them out , I just hope I have an opportunity to vote for the reform party , otherwise I will spoil my card ...
What are the other parties going to do ??? we know voting labour or tory allways has the same result!!! IE it glitters and looks ok but once unwrapped its just a large turd ....
Why not just wait until the GE and look at what everyone is offering and who will be delivering it if they win?
Seems odd (to me) wanting to support this party when we’ve no idea what they’re about or stand for and there isn’t an election anyway.
Fair enough if it’s about local elections though,
El stovey said:
Yeah but I’m not saying “I hope I have a chance to vote for ( the other parties etc) otherwise I will spoil my card”
Why not just wait until the GE and look at what everyone is offering and who will be delivering it if they win?
Seems odd (to me) wanting to support this party when we’ve no idea what they’re about or stand for and there isn’t an election anyway.
Fair enough if it’s about local elections though,
To be honest Most of what Nigel says makes sense to me so on that basis I assumeWhy not just wait until the GE and look at what everyone is offering and who will be delivering it if they win?
Seems odd (to me) wanting to support this party when we’ve no idea what they’re about or stand for and there isn’t an election anyway.
Fair enough if it’s about local elections though,
in 3 years it will still sound ok ...
I don't know how to feel about this.
Let me make this clear: I hate Nigel Farage.
He's a slippery snake-oil salesmen who will 'cause a situation' then run off while it unfolds in disaster. He's friends with all the wrong sort of people. He's nothing more than a nationalist populist flag blowing in the wind. Whichever way the wind blows, he will blow that way and fan the flames, even if it isn't a good idea, just so he can remain relevant in some way. He really is the worst kind of politician, the sort that will sniff out something bubbling and try to grab it and whip the public up into a frenzy over it, to suit his own ends. He's nothing more than a grubby opportunist.
As others have said, he really is the turd that won't be flushed.
But..
I can't see where lockdowns are getting us. I'm sure they are saving lives, but there simply is no endgame or plan here. I'm watching people have their lives ruined and their business destroyed. Millions of people are going to be unemployed.
I have been saying for the last couple of months or so, as have many people I know, that they should be telling everyone who is at risk to stay home, and paying them to do so. Not paying the rest of us who are fit and healthy. It makes no sense.
So I would still have Farage burned at the stake, but part of me wants the government to be put under some pressure over getting the VAST majority back to normality and concentrating on protecting the vulnerable.
Let me make this clear: I hate Nigel Farage.
He's a slippery snake-oil salesmen who will 'cause a situation' then run off while it unfolds in disaster. He's friends with all the wrong sort of people. He's nothing more than a nationalist populist flag blowing in the wind. Whichever way the wind blows, he will blow that way and fan the flames, even if it isn't a good idea, just so he can remain relevant in some way. He really is the worst kind of politician, the sort that will sniff out something bubbling and try to grab it and whip the public up into a frenzy over it, to suit his own ends. He's nothing more than a grubby opportunist.
As others have said, he really is the turd that won't be flushed.
But..
I can't see where lockdowns are getting us. I'm sure they are saving lives, but there simply is no endgame or plan here. I'm watching people have their lives ruined and their business destroyed. Millions of people are going to be unemployed.
I have been saying for the last couple of months or so, as have many people I know, that they should be telling everyone who is at risk to stay home, and paying them to do so. Not paying the rest of us who are fit and healthy. It makes no sense.
So I would still have Farage burned at the stake, but part of me wants the government to be put under some pressure over getting the VAST majority back to normality and concentrating on protecting the vulnerable.
powerstroke said:
IforB said:
He is a populist opportunist.
In other words, the absolute worst kind of politician.
Or if you're the average person fed up with the direction of travel and soundbitesIn other words, the absolute worst kind of politician.
from the two main parties he is a breath of fresh air ,
I doubt there will be any reason to vote tory next time , Starmer has watered down Labour
so their isn't any reason to vote for the least worst option to keep them out , I just hope I have an opportunity to vote for the reform party , otherwise I will spoil my card ...
He is very far from a "breath of fresh air" what he produces is a foetid stench of self-interest and disturbing links to thise fundamentally opposed to our national interests.
He is a useful shill for some deeply unpleasant people.
As for Starmer "watering down Labour" he has done nothing of the sort. He is removing the parts of Labour that made it unelectable. In historical, political terms, he is doing to the far left, what Kinnock did, but these days, the far left is a massively reduced force compared to what it was in the early 80's, so I very much doubt we will have to wait for the next labour leader to take that success and win an election.
The Tories are very much making themselves unelectable, but they could change that if they hoofed Johnson out, however, the idea that Farage offers any kind of alternative is nothing more than a fantasy.
He is toxic to this nation and is in reality little more than a right wing trouble making troll. The Tory party keep falling for it and allowing him to hurt them. That is their weakness. They keep feeding him instead of ignoring him like any sane person should.
Farage is akin to a political dog mess left on the pavement, if you aren't paying attention, you step into it and the stench follows you around for a long time afterwards.
El stovey said:
JagLover said:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/farage-will-ma...
and he is spot on. Most of those opposed to lockdown are as fervently opposed.
Sure but the next election isn’t until 2024 and by then lockdowns will be a thing of the past or there will be some new kind of economy by then.and he is spot on. Most of those opposed to lockdown are as fervently opposed.
I might agree with Farage over lockdowns, it might make some people support him with a vote but there aren't any elections.
Does farage think people against lockdowns will start supporting him now and keep supporting him over some other ‘against stuff’ issues in the future when there’s an election?
Edited by El stovey on Monday 2nd November 12:32
IforB said:
If the "average" person is taken in by Farage, then why is it that he consistently fails in Parliamentary elections?
His point is that he takes sufficient votes away that parties need to adopt in part or whole his policies to nuetralise him. He doesn't really believe he'll win power or become elected, nor does he need to to influence change. powerstroke said:
IforB said:
He is a populist opportunist.
In other words, the absolute worst kind of politician.
Or if you're the average person fed up with the direction of travel and soundbitesIn other words, the absolute worst kind of politician.
from the two main parties he is a breath of fresh air ,
I doubt there will be any reason to vote tory next time , Starmer has watered down Labour
so their isn't any reason to vote for the least worst option to keep them out , I just hope I have an opportunity to vote for the reform party , otherwise I will spoil my card ...
How did that end?
El stovey said:
powerstroke said:
El stovey said:
powerstroke said:
Or if you're the average person fed up with the direction of travel and soundbites
from the two main parties he is a breath of fresh air ,
I doubt there will be any reason to vote tory next time , Starmer has watered down Labour
so their isn't any reason to vote for the least worst option to keep them out , I just hope I have an opportunity to vote for the reform party , otherwise I will spoil my card ...
Why do you want to support them? What are their manifesto pledges? What are they going to do in 2024?from the two main parties he is a breath of fresh air ,
I doubt there will be any reason to vote tory next time , Starmer has watered down Labour
so their isn't any reason to vote for the least worst option to keep them out , I just hope I have an opportunity to vote for the reform party , otherwise I will spoil my card ...
What are the other parties going to do ??? we know voting labour or tory allways has the same result!!! IE it glitters and looks ok but once unwrapped its just a large turd ....
Why not just wait until the GE and look at what everyone is offering and who will be delivering it if they win?
Seems odd (to me) wanting to support this party when we’ve no idea what they’re about or stand for and there isn’t an election anyway.
Fair enough if it’s about local elections though,
Lord Marylebone said:
I don't know how to feel about this.
Let me make this clear: I hate Nigel Farage.
He's a slippery snake-oil salesmen who will 'cause a situation' then run off while it unfolds in disaster. He's friends with all the wrong sort of people. He's nothing more than a nationalist populist flag blowing in the wind. Whichever way the wind blows, he will blow that way and fan the flames, even if it isn't a good idea, just so he can remain relevant in some way. He really is the worst kind of politician, the sort that will sniff out something bubbling and try to grab it and whip the public up into a frenzy over it, to suit his own ends. He's nothing more than a grubby opportunist.
As others have said, he really is the turd that won't be flushed.
But..
I can't see where lockdowns are getting us. I'm sure they are saving lives, but there simply is no endgame or plan here. I'm watching people have their lives ruined and their business destroyed. Millions of people are going to be unemployed.
I have been saying for the last couple of months or so, as have many people I know, that they should be telling everyone who is at risk to stay home, and paying them to do so. Not paying the rest of us who are fit and healthy. It makes no sense.
So I would still have Farage burned at the stake, but part of me wants the government to be put under some pressure over getting the VAST majority back to normality and concentrating on protecting the vulnerable.
So you agree with what Farage aims for on this situation when it suits your own politics. Populist follower?Let me make this clear: I hate Nigel Farage.
He's a slippery snake-oil salesmen who will 'cause a situation' then run off while it unfolds in disaster. He's friends with all the wrong sort of people. He's nothing more than a nationalist populist flag blowing in the wind. Whichever way the wind blows, he will blow that way and fan the flames, even if it isn't a good idea, just so he can remain relevant in some way. He really is the worst kind of politician, the sort that will sniff out something bubbling and try to grab it and whip the public up into a frenzy over it, to suit his own ends. He's nothing more than a grubby opportunist.
As others have said, he really is the turd that won't be flushed.
But..
I can't see where lockdowns are getting us. I'm sure they are saving lives, but there simply is no endgame or plan here. I'm watching people have their lives ruined and their business destroyed. Millions of people are going to be unemployed.
I have been saying for the last couple of months or so, as have many people I know, that they should be telling everyone who is at risk to stay home, and paying them to do so. Not paying the rest of us who are fit and healthy. It makes no sense.
So I would still have Farage burned at the stake, but part of me wants the government to be put under some pressure over getting the VAST majority back to normality and concentrating on protecting the vulnerable.
This forum seems to contain a lot of people who are strongly opposed to the lockdown, kill the virus camp.
Given that other movements have failed to gain traction and there are no big beasts banging an alternative drum, maybe it's the right time for Farage to step up. Opportunist or not, some sort of figurehead is badly needed.
Given that other movements have failed to gain traction and there are no big beasts banging an alternative drum, maybe it's the right time for Farage to step up. Opportunist or not, some sort of figurehead is badly needed.
PeteinSQ said:
Isn't this all a bit pointless? Next general election isn't for four years by which time this will all be a horrible memoryand arguing over lockdowns will seem a bit odd. By then we'll be back to arguing about tax, spend and austerity I would have thought.
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