Your voting intentions

[bitchstewie]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Gove leaving the sinking ship. That is 76 sitting Tory MPs standing down. More than in 1997.

Not looking good for Rishi is it?

And three working days to find replacements for many of them if I understand correctly.

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bhstewie said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Gove leaving the sinking ship. That is 76 sitting Tory MPs standing down. More than in 1997.

Not looking good for Rishi is it?

And three working days to find replacements for many of them if I understand correctly.

Not a hope in hell.

[bitchstewie]

And the latest YouGov poll since the election was called.

[Timothy Bucktu]

I'm amazed there's only 10% between Lab and Cons!
I suspect the non voting, and spoiled are the lost Cons voters?
It does show (at least on PH), the support for Labour isn't that strong?

It's certainly interesting. We're almost in hung parliament territory. I'm not sure Labour will get the landslide we thought.

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Never thought i would see the cons gain, even just at 1%

[Fusion777]

Timothy Bucktu said:

I'm amazed there's only 10% between Lab and Cons!
I suspect the non voting, and spoiled are the lost Cons voters?
It does show (at least on PH), the support for Labour isn't that strong?

It's certainly interesting. We're almost in hung parliament territory. I'm not sure Labour will get the landslide we thought.

Tory central here. PH doesn’t reflect the country.

[TGCOTF-dewey]

Fusion777 said:

Timothy Bucktu said:

I'm amazed there's only 10% between Lab and Cons!
I suspect the non voting, and spoiled are the lost Cons voters?
It does show (at least on PH), the support for Labour isn't that strong?

It's certainly interesting. We're almost in hung parliament territory. I'm not sure Labour will get the landslide we thought.

Tory central here. PH doesn’t reflect the country.

Which is why it's surprising labour are 10% ahead.

The last three tory leaders have fked the Conservative Party for the next couple of general elections at least.

[Kermit power]

S600BSB said:

The Labour government, if we get one, are going to face a monumental challenge to make progress in fixing the mess the country is in - everything broken and the country broke. But I can’t see them being worse than the Cons - not that there will be many of those left given how many are jumping ship at the moment.

Argh!!!!!

When I become supreme emperor of the Electoral Commission, I will be introducing a ban on hyperbolic scaremongering!

Politicians are forever trotting out this nonsense and despite the fact that the vast majority of it sits somewhere between heavily exaggerated and completely untrue, voters keep believing it!

I could've spent my entire dog walk laboriously pulling together stats to support this position on my phone, but fortunately I didn't have to because John Bryson, Professor of Enterprise and Competitiveness at the University of Birmingham did it for me a few days ago and wrote about it on the link below.

I think his final point is the really worrying one. Of course it would be a larger concern if all this doom-mongering was actually accurate, but even if it isn't, if people believe it to be true, then it starts to impact on decisions taken by businesses, individuals and overseas investors, and that does have a negative impact on the country.

https://theconversation.com/britain-is-not-as-brok...

[Stick Legs]

Nice article and yes, it makes some good points, however if you strip public sector pensions away I think our rating would drop on that index.

The constant doom mongering is tiresome.

[Wills2]

cossy400 said:

So SKS is now doubting his manifesto and saying it might not happen due to the Tories ruining the economy.

It's nothing new to lie I suppose.

Well they have ruined the economy, made it a debt ridden, crime riddled laughing stock, turbocharged our decline as a nation (I'll accept that a decline was always on the cards but the glide slope they put us on was vertiginous).

This time rather than "sorry but we've spent all the money" the note will read "sorry but we've maxed out all the credit cards as well"

I don't expect Starmer to spend more money (there is none left even to borrow) what he has to do is concentrate on the things that matter to the majority of people and put an end to the scorched earth polices of the Tory party that are designed to do nothing else but divide people and screw the country over so they can blame whoever today's bogeyman is.

They have set the bar so low just not being a two faced, self centred grifter will be enough.

[Mr Penguin]

bhstewie said:

And three working days to find replacements for many of them if I understand correctly.

They have the candidates, it's just a question of deciding where to put them.

If they have only just announced that they are leaving then the party will always have to fill those seats and there are always MPs who leave it to the last minute to decide and have to be backfilled.

[MC Bodge]

Mr Penguin said:

bhstewie said:

And three working days to find replacements for many of them if I understand correctly.

They have the candidates, it's just a question of deciding where to put them.

If they have only just announced that they are leaving then the party will always have to fill those seats and there are always MPs who leave it to the last minute to decide and have to be backfilled.

It's not all.bad for them, they will only need a large number of paper candidates.

[Silvanus]

bhstewie said:

And the latest YouGov poll since the election was called.

I have no love for the two main parties, but I cannot fathom why 14% of people polled think Reform are a worthy party, the candidates are an absolute bunch of loons.

[Vanden Saab]

Stick Legs said:

Nice article and yes, it makes some good points, however if you strip public sector pensions away I think our rating would drop on that index.

The constant doom mongering is tiresome.

If i only count half of my income I will be earning half what I actually am. Interesting argument.

[MC Bodge]

Silvanus said:

I have no love for the two main parties, but I cannot fathom why 14% of people polled think Reform are a worthy party, the candidates are an absolute bunch of loons.

Me neither. "Those Tories are just too sensible for me!"

[Stick Legs]

Vanden Saab said:

Stick Legs said:

Nice article and yes, it makes some good points, however if you strip public sector pensions away I think our rating would drop on that index.

The constant doom mongering is tiresome.

If i only count half of my income I will be earning half what I actually am. Interesting argument.

Well no, not my argument at all. I probably worded it badly but the pension provision in the public sector is above average for most countries.
A lot of people in the private sector will struggle to save and invest enough for a comfortable retirement and this means that a ‘above Germany pension provision score’ isn’t as good as it sounds.

It wasn’t a dig at the public sector or a whinge, or a right wing dog whistle.

Some people do actually join these threads to learn a bit & join in rather than just seek out arguments or to bang their drum.

[TUS373]

My personal view is that politics in the UK is a 2 horse race. I don't remember (so in my time) any other party being in government except for Cameron-Clegg duo. In my mind, that was interesting.

It would be good to bring in a fresh alternative, but realistically, that is not going to happen. For this GE as others, its going to be Conservative or Labour. For those that don't vote or spoil a paper - I.e..opting out, its making a strong point but still influences the overall outcome but passively.

I don't care for the UK political system and would like to see that shaken up, as much as the parties.

I suspect if Jeremy Clarkson ran for PM....he would get in. Not saying that in itself is good or bad....but says more about the alternatives.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

MC Bodge said:

Silvanus said:

I have no love for the two main parties, but I cannot fathom why 14% of people polled think Reform are a worthy party, the candidates are an absolute bunch of loons.

Me neither. "Those Tories are just too sensible for me!"

Because aging Thatcherites, right wing of the Tory Party and people who generally think the current Conservative Party is too 'wet' is your answer.

Plus Reform can say what they want to please their target voters, they'll never have any influence in Govt so they don't have to worry. "Yes, we'll slash NHS waiting times" "We'll have the Royal Navy in the Channel turning the boats around" "We will double the number of Police" "We will have net zero migration"

All total fantasy. So easy to say, not so easy to accomplish. But Angry of Chatham will lap it up.

[I am alright Jack]

Silvanus said:

I have no love for the two main parties, but I cannot fathom why 14% of people polled think Reform are a worthy party, the candidates are an absolute bunch of loons.

Nowhere does it say "14% of people polled think Reform are a worthy party" any more than it said 44% actually want Labour in power.

I can only imagine some of that 14% just don't want to vote for the main two, some will be fed up with conservatives and just don't want to vote for "the left"

Labour are not going to win the election, Conservatives are going to lose it.

[Hants PHer]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

<slight edit for brevity>
Reform can say what they want to please their target voters, they'll never have any influence in Govt so they don't have to worry. "Yes, we'll slash NHS waiting times" "We'll have the Royal Navy in the Channel turning the boats around" "We will double the number of Police" "We will have net zero migration"

All total fantasy. So easy to say, not so easy to accomplish. But Angry of Chatham will lap it up.

There's much truth in what you say, of course, but it's also true that some of Reform's ideas are anything but right wing. Temporary tax exemptions for some NHS workers, part public ownership of utilities, a sovereign wealth fund, proportional representation and reform of the House of Lords are examples that don't seemed aimed at "Angry of Chatham".

I was intrigued by Reform a while ago, but they seem to lack pragmatism and consistency in their smorgasbord of policies, and some of their candidates are wholly unsuitable for public office, not that they'll win any seats in my opinion.