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Brads67 said:
lyonspride said:
We need stop with this idea that religion tells people to do things, instead start seeing that religion is used by certain individuals as an excuse to commit (sometimes) terrible crimes.
I was going to mention car insurance vs Islam, but it feel disrespectful to go into that in this thread.
Whilst a religion may not tell it's followers to do bad things, it can certainly give them what they see as a reasonable excuse, and to people who just want to watch the world burn, sometimes all they need is a good excuse.
Religion does tell people to do things. I was going to mention car insurance vs Islam, but it feel disrespectful to go into that in this thread.
Whilst a religion may not tell it's followers to do bad things, it can certainly give them what they see as a reasonable excuse, and to people who just want to watch the world burn, sometimes all they need is a good excuse.
A religious text of course does not say "rape the white girl from the foster home" - it does not give explicit instruction based on today's society.
It does though foster and encourage ideas within its followers to perceive, judge and treat people not of the same persuasion as unequal or unworthy. Which is then perverted and misused of course - but like it or not, believe it or not; the root cause of the problem we dare not name is categorically religion, it may well be and specifically the perversion of one to suit a purpose but the root nonetheless it is.
Rare said:
lyonspride said:
We need stop with this idea that religion tells people to do things, instead start seeing that religion is used by certain individuals as an excuse to commit (sometimes) terrible crimes.
I was going to mention car insurance vs Islam, but it feel disrespectful to go into that in this thread.
Whilst a religion may not tell it's followers to do bad things, it can certainly give them what they see as a reasonable excuse, and to people who just want to watch the world burn, sometimes all they need is a good excuse.
For what reason do Jews and Muslims circumcise their kids and not eat pork ?I was going to mention car insurance vs Islam, but it feel disrespectful to go into that in this thread.
Whilst a religion may not tell it's followers to do bad things, it can certainly give them what they see as a reasonable excuse, and to people who just want to watch the world burn, sometimes all they need is a good excuse.
There is no sound logical reason other than religion.
Why are catholics against birth control ?
This is madness especially in poorer third world countries.
Religion tells people to do all manner of things, we appear to be accepting when it tells them to be nice but not accepting when it tells them to do bad things.
Noting that interpretation is everything, although as none of us were alive when they were written down so we can’t know the original intention.
freakybacon said:
Huddersfield. Jailed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-515653...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/19/si...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-515653...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/19/si...
The Guardian said:
Reading the women’s victim impact statements, Andrea Parnham, prosecuting, said: “She kept it buried for 22 years. She tried to report an incident in 1997 but she was disbelieved and felt let down by them
Just beggars belief...Vanden Saab said:
freakybacon said:
Huddersfield. Jailed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-515653...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/19/si...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-515653...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/19/si...
The Guardian said:
Reading the women’s victim impact statements, Andrea Parnham, prosecuting, said: “She kept it buried for 22 years. She tried to report an incident in 1997 but she was disbelieved and felt let down by them
Just beggars belief...It is also clear that not only the victims, but also friends and family who have knowledge of this, will have had a far worse opinion of Asians than they should have, not only because of the offences, but also they way they appeared to have 'got away' with them. When people have experiences like this, they understandably close down the barriers and the actions of a few can reflect badly on a great many blameless individuals.
Vanden Saab said:
freakybacon said:
Huddersfield. Jailed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-515653...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/19/si...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-515653...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/19/si...
The Guardian said:
Reading the women’s victim impact statements, Andrea Parnham, prosecuting, said: “She kept it buried for 22 years. She tried to report an incident in 1997 but she was disbelieved and felt let down by them
Just beggars belief..."The girls were groomed from the age of 13 and 14 with the offending starting in 1995 and taking place over a period of more than 10 years."
Ages of those sent down...
34, 39, 35 & 43
Which would have made them respectively in 1995 - 9, 14, 10 & 18...
So was this some sort of indoctrination into a way of life (oh you know like religion!) starting at a very young age? Which is arguably even worse than I first thought when thinking it is older men going after young girls.
freakybacon said:
Huddersfield. Jailed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-515653...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/19/si...
Beautiful British names. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-515653...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/19/si...
Noodle1982 said:
freakybacon said:
Beautiful British names. 
slightlyoldgit said:
There is a missing piece here in this story though as reading the BBC link....
"The girls were groomed from the age of 13 and 14 with the offending starting in 1995 and taking place over a period of more than 10 years."
Ages of those sent down...
34, 39, 35 & 43
Which would have made them respectively in 1995 - 9, 14, 10 & 18...
So was this some sort of indoctrination into a way of life (oh you know like religion!) starting at a very young age? Which is arguably even worse than I first thought when thinking it is older men going after young girls.
Maybe they were child refugees?"The girls were groomed from the age of 13 and 14 with the offending starting in 1995 and taking place over a period of more than 10 years."
Ages of those sent down...
34, 39, 35 & 43
Which would have made them respectively in 1995 - 9, 14, 10 & 18...
So was this some sort of indoctrination into a way of life (oh you know like religion!) starting at a very young age? Which is arguably even worse than I first thought when thinking it is older men going after young girls.
Seriously that is odd. Does anyone have any explanation?
A former chief prosecutor said:
who initiated charges against a grooming gang in Rochdale warned that far-right groups were using a “vacuum” of reliable information to spread their beliefs and gain support.
Why is it that whenever groups such as those pictured are convicted of these crimes that the press then swing into action with the old distraction technique of finger pointing and squealing about the far right?The fact that the information is "reliable" means its true, so whys it matter where its spread from as long as its accurate?
Yaxley Lennon had been drawing attention to this problem for years yet the police and social services didnt want to know about it, presumably because they didnt want him getting any attention, so its continued onwards, in effect theyre all complicit in these girls being abused.
I dont understand what the issue is, the infos either right or wrong and regardless where its coming from the public need to know about it.
Im quite fed up of the press and other media continually distracting from the people doing these crimes trying to divert attention to the far right.... they had nothing to do with the crimes which imho are all racially aggravated.
Like or loath the far right (who/whatever they are) theyre not the ones grooming girls for numbers of Pakistani deviants to get their jollies off with. Stop this idiocy.
Dont Panic said:
Like or loath the far right (who/whatever they are) theyre not the ones grooming girls for numbers of Pakistani deviants to get their jollies off with. Stop this idiocy.
They're not grooming, but they are shooting and killing tens of people at a time, on shooting sprees.BMW A6 said:
Dont Panic said:
Like or loath the far right (who/whatever they are) theyre not the ones grooming girls for numbers of Pakistani deviants to get their jollies off with. Stop this idiocy.
They're not grooming, but they are shooting and killing tens of people at a time, on shooting sprees.BMW A6 said:
They're not grooming, but they are shooting and killing tens of people at a time, on shooting sprees.
Not the best comparison to use in this case as Islamic terror has killed magnitudes more people than a few sad incels have or will.Now can we get back to discussing the rape gangs and have less diversionary tactics please?
Dont Panic said:
A former chief prosecutor said:
who initiated charges against a grooming gang in Rochdale warned that far-right groups were using a “vacuum” of reliable information to spread their beliefs and gain support.
Why is it that whenever groups such as those pictured are convicted of these crimes that the press then swing into action with the old distraction technique of finger pointing and squealing about the far right?The fact that the information is "reliable" means its true, so whys it matter where its spread from as long as its accurate?
Yaxley Lennon had been drawing attention to this problem for years yet the police and social services didnt want to know about it, presumably because they didnt want him getting any attention, so its continued onwards, in effect theyre all complicit in these girls being abused.
I dont understand what the issue is, the infos either right or wrong and regardless where its coming from the public need to know about it.
Im quite fed up of the press and other media continually distracting from the people doing these crimes trying to divert attention to the far right.... they had nothing to do with the crimes which imho are all racially aggravated.
Like or loath the far right (who/whatever they are) theyre not the ones grooming girls for numbers of Pakistani deviants to get their jollies off with. Stop this idiocy.
Both he and similar individuals (like Danny Tommo) have used these horrendous cases to line their own pockets and have done nothing to help the victims.
dudleybloke said:
BMW A6 said:
They're not grooming, but they are shooting and killing tens of people at a time, on shooting sprees.
Not the best comparison to use in this case as Islamic terror has killed magnitudes more people than a few sad incels have or will.Now can we get back to discussing the rape gangs and have less diversionary tactics please?
The authorities here are being seen to be giving sufficient weight to addressing the issues of grooming gangs, Islamic extremists and immigration of undesirables (a key Brexit issue) so as to not provide the 'space' for the advancement of the far right.
rscott said:
Yaxley-Lennon has done nothing useful. He's used press reports of cases to claim the cases are being covered up and protected people within his own organisations who have been convicted of child sex abuse.
Both he and similar individuals (like Danny Tommo) have used these horrendous cases to line their own pockets and have done nothing to help the victims.
But what has the far right got to do with the fact that its predominantly Pakistani males doing all the abusing?Both he and similar individuals (like Danny Tommo) have used these horrendous cases to line their own pockets and have done nothing to help the victims.
The info was reported as "reliable" wheres it matter where it came from?
Why the need nearly everytime to try and conflate the issue with the far right?
And who are these "far right" anyway?
The way the media keeps yarping on about them anyone would think their real name is Spectre.
If the media kept banging the "its the left wing" drum id say exactly the same.
Its just stupid and distracts from the problem that exists.
Dont Panic said:
But what has the far right got to do with the fact that its predominantly Pakistani males doing all the abusing?
The info was reported as "reliable" wheres it matter where it came from?
Why the need nearly everytime to try and conflate the issue with the far right?
And who are these "far right" anyway?
The way the media keeps yarping on about them anyone would think their real name is Spectre.
If the media kept banging the "its the left wing" drum id say exactly the same.
Its just stupid and distracts from the problem that exists.
Exactly. Criminal activity is just that regardless of the persons origins / beliefs / religion, and when it concernsThe info was reported as "reliable" wheres it matter where it came from?
Why the need nearly everytime to try and conflate the issue with the far right?
And who are these "far right" anyway?
The way the media keeps yarping on about them anyone would think their real name is Spectre.
If the media kept banging the "its the left wing" drum id say exactly the same.
Its just stupid and distracts from the problem that exists.
criminal activity that harms and devastates childrens lives then it is the type of criminal activity that requires
the full force of the law to come down on the perpetrators like a ton of bricks.
Whether those criminals are of a specific race should not be in the equation, abusers of children deserve
the heaviest of punishment with no excuses being made whatsoever regarding the colour of their skin
or any other factor.
Its time this country went to war on ALL child abusers with no excuses being entertained at all.
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