45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 8)

[gregs656]

Neither here nor there but I am currently in a conversation with one of my more strident Facebook friends who is complaining about a BBC news report where they mentioned Russian hacking during the 2016 election.

This is apparently ‘crass rubbish’ from ‘indoctrination ltd’

My efforts to point out to him that Russian hacking is a historical fact and that the Americans were not likely to go to all the effort to investigate it and so on just to create ‘liberally biased’ stories for the BBC are not going spectacularly well.

I don’t think anyone has the answers here but the ‘post truth’ nature of practically all the conversations regarding Trump is what bothers me most about him, I think. I feel like ‘post truth’ conversation is spreading into more and more areas, which is not a good thing.

[Jimbeaux]

gregs656 said:

Neither here nor there but I am currently in a conversation with one of my more strident Facebook friends who is complaining about a BBC news report where they mentioned Russian hacking during the 2016 election.

This is apparently ‘crass rubbish’ from ‘indoctrination ltd’

My efforts to point out to him that Russian hacking is a historical fact and that the Americans were not likely to go to all the effort to investigate it and so on just to create ‘liberally biased’ stories for the BBC are not going spectacularly well.

I don’t think anyone has the answers here but the ‘post truth’ nature of practically all the conversations regarding Trump is what bothers me most about him, I think. I feel like ‘post truth’ conversation is spreading into more and more areas, which is not a good thing.

Russian meddling is a real thing. Not just here, they meddle everywhere. I am pretty sure they have meddled in U.K. politics as well. It was discovered during the Obama administration. They did not react to publicly because we needed Russia cooperation to complete the Iran nuke deal.

[paulguitar]

gregs656 said:

I don’t think anyone has the answers here but the ‘post truth’ nature of practically all the conversations regarding Trump is what bothers me most about him, I think. I feel like ‘post truth’ conversation is spreading into more and more areas, which is not a good thing.

I agree 100% with this. I’ve said here before that the ‘post-truth’ world may be the most damaging legacy of trump. He’s a sociopath, and as such he effectively creates his own reality. He’s managed to spread that quite significantly already.

One example is the bizarre behaviour he displayed about his inauguration crowd size. I discussed this quite a bit with Mrs guitar, (a psychologist) because I was fascinated by it. What I found amazing was just how easily provable it was that he was lying, and yet he doubled down by sending out his press secretary, on his first day in the job, before the assembled media, to actually have something of a tantrum about it. I was utterly astonished by the whole scene. Mrs Guitar explained to me that trump’s disorders would enable him to create a reality of his own where his crowd size, to him, was actually bigger than Obama’s.

[br d]

Step out Jimbeaux ffs. I said about 5 posts after you joined this thread you were on a hiding to nothing here, stop wasting your time mate.

You cant have an alternative view here, your a racist, your a bigot, you're a scumbag. How dare you have an opinion.
For me your posts here have been the best thing on this thread for years. An actual fking counter to the mobius strip of incestuous back slapping.

Being an actual American with real experience of living under the US political system means nothing here, the spittle spitting loons who've decided how history works aren't even taking one finger out of their ears. La-la-fking la.

I happen to despise the orange man, I think he's a narcissist fraud but that doesn't cut it here, you have to tick all the right fking boxes or walk the plank.
I may hate the man for all he represents but I can appreciate the fact that his methods work for a large portion of the American people.

If he gets kicked out this time around, I'd like to hear your views.

The funniest thing on pistonheads since I've been here. After a gazillion pages of one sided points you turned up and made 6 posts banging a different drum, people immediately started saying "I don't like it here now, the threads gone down hill"

Pathetic!

Edited by br d on Saturday 22 February 23:11

[Jimbeaux]

br d said:

Step out Jimbeaux ffs. I said about 5 posts after you joined this thread you were on a hiding to nothing here, stop wasting your time mate.

You cant have an alternative view here, your a racist, your a bigot, you're a scumbag. How dare you have an opinion.
For me your posts here have been the best thing on this thread for years. An actual fking counter to the mobius strip of incestuous back slapping.

Being an actual American with real experience of living under the US political system means nothing here, the spittle spitting loons who've decided how history works aren't even taking one finger out of their ears. La-la-fking la.

I happen to despise the orange man, I think he's a narcissist fraud but that doesn't cut it here, you have to tick all the right fking boxes or walk the plank.
I may hate the man for all he represents but I can appreciate the fact that his methods work for a large portion of the American people.

If he gets kicked out this time around, I'd like to hear your views.

The funniest thing on pistonheads since I've been here. After a gazillion pages of one sided points you turned up and made 6 posts banging a different drum, people immediately started saying "I don't like it here now, the threads gone down hill"

Thank you sir, I appreciate your view not being “all or nothing”. I fear now though that this thread’s residents will not be raising funds for your statue in Trafalgar along side Lord Nelson.

[paulguitar]

Jimbeaux said:

As I posted on the Election thread; I really would not mind Bloomberg to be honest. I am fairly certain he would govern very similarly to Trump policy-wise. He would run left and govern more right after winning like Bill Clinton did. He would also enjoy a soft touch from the media because he would be running against Trump. Once in though, they would turn on him for not being “progressive” or left enough.

Jim, do you think Bloomberg has a realistic chance, of at least being the eventual Dem pick?

I must admit up to this point having not done any research about him as I think I have not looked at him as having a realistic possibility of going much further, but it seems I may have underestimated his chances?

[paulguitar]

br d said:

Step out Jimbeaux ffs. I said about 5 posts after you joined this thread you were on a hiding to nothing here, stop wasting your time mate.

You cant have an alternative view here, your a racist, your a bigot, you're a scumbag. How dare you have an opinion.
For me your posts here have been the best thing on this thread for years. An actual fking counter to the mobius strip of incestuous back slapping.

Being an actual American with real experience of living under the US political system means nothing here, the spittle spitting loons who've decided how history works aren't even taking one finger out of their ears. La-la-fking la.

I happen to despise the orange man, I think he's a narcissist fraud but that doesn't cut it here, you have to tick all the right fking boxes or walk the plank.
I may hate the man for all he represents but I can appreciate the fact that his methods work for a large portion of the American people.

If he gets kicked out this time around, I'd like to hear your views.

The funniest thing on pistonheads since I've been here. After a gazillion pages of one sided points you turned up and made 6 posts banging a different drum, people immediately started saying "I don't like it here now, the threads gone down hill"

Pathetic!

Edited by br d on Saturday 22 February 23:11

Crikey.

[Jimbeaux]

paulguitar said:

Jim, do you think Bloomberg has a realistic chance, of at least being the eventual Dem pick?

I must admit up to this point having not done any research about him as I think I have not looked at him as having a realistic possibility of going much further, but it seems I may have underestimated his chances?

Scientific polling methods would say he does not. However, there are three things to consider imo. First, Super Tuesday (3 March) is the largest pool of delegates to date up for grabs. That voting takes place in mostly southern states that tend to vote for more moderate than left Dems.
Secondly, his pure domination of the airwaves may have a positive effect upon him. Then again it could backfire and people or over saturated with him.

Thirdly, I believe his plan all along is to get to a brokered convention, where delegate rules change, and the DNC wants someone that can beat Trump. Many see that as Mike because there are more moderates than lefties, or that is the popular belief. He hopes the DNC will massage things to give it to him and screw Bernie for a second time.
So to answer your question, he has a better chance than many thought or understood. That said, I believe his chances are still on the long side though.
ETA: Let’s remember that Bloomberg has been on no ballot so far. Super Tuesday will be the first.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 22 February 23:52

[Down and out]

Jimbeaux said:

Down and out said:

? Sorry?

I was just pointing out Gamefaces usual hypocrisy.

[Jimbeaux]

Down and out said:

I was just pointing out Gamefaces usual hypocrisy.

I understand.

[paulguitar]

Jimbeaux said:

paulguitar said:

Jim, do you think Bloomberg has a realistic chance, of at least being the eventual Dem pick?

I must admit up to this point having not done any research about him as I think I have not looked at him as having a realistic possibility of going much further, but it seems I may have underestimated his chances?

Scientific polling methods would say he does not. However, there are three things to consider imo. First, Super Tuesday (3 March) is the largest pool of delegates to date up for grabs. That voting takes place in mostly southern states that tend to vote for more moderate than left Dems.
Secondly, his pure domination of the airwaves may have a positive effect upon him. Then again it could backfire and people or over saturated with him.
Thirdly, I believe his plan all along is to get to a brokered convention, where delegate rules change, and the DNC wants someone that can beat Trump. Many see that as Mike because there are more moderates than lefties, or that is the popular belief. He hopes the DNC will massage things to give it to him and screw Bernie for a second time.
So to answer your question, he has a better chance than many thought or understood. That said, I believe his chances are still on the long side though.

Thank you for that. I will watch with interest and start doing some reading. I can’t say I particularly like some of the stuff I have seen so far.

[Jimbeaux]

paulguitar said:

Thank you for that. I will watch with interest and start doing some reading. I can’t say I particularly like some of the stuff I have seen so far.

You are welcome. There are some campaign finance laws in place that limit contributions, etc. some say good but more needs to be done. They may be right. However, I know of no rule against someone using their own money to run a race. Perhaps that is next.

[Jimbeaux]

paulguitar said:

Crikey.

And I hope a bit of that splashed onto all of you in here!

[Jimbeaux]

Another point about Bloomberg. He says he will spend his money for whoever gets the nomination. Many on the Dem side despise much of what Bloomberg’s stands for as well as his wealth. I wager, however,!they will readily accept his money as the Dems are being out raised about 2 to 1. Will he stand by his pledge? Time will tell.

[Jimbeaux]

Bernie said that he was briefed on the Russian meddling on his behalf a month ago. Reporters asked why it just came out publicly a day before the Nevada caucus. He said the WAPO released it the day before because the Dems and their media does not want him to win. I suppose he has a reason to worry about that after what they did to him in 2016.
I understand why the Dems do not want him to. He honeymooned in Moscow, he praises a form of government that is currently destroying Venezuela. He defended Castro, etc. These are easily beatable stances in a general election; therefore, it is obvious the Dems might want him to lose the nomination. This will be interesting.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 23 February 01:39

[Gameface]

Down and out said:

Jimbeaux said:

Down and out said:

? Sorry?

I was just pointing out Gamefaces usual hypocrisy.

Sigh.

It was perfectly valid because jimbeaux said no-one has ever reversed themselves on this thread, but Paul had politely done so less than 24 hours previously.

The hypocrisy is Jimbeaux's (and I'm not just talking about this single incident).

[Byker28i]

Jimbeaux said:

Byker28i said:

We keep telling you, it's not hate, it's astonishment, on how low the US has fallen, how only money is important.

Slightly jealous of the boat, my friends in Tampa have one, although we have more fun canoeing down Hillsborough river, good wildlife down there.

Ok, if you say so. As to the astonishment, come visit for a bit (boating, fishing, four wheeling, target shooting, different foods, visiting various people and places, etc) and perhaps your astonishment may give way to something more akin to at least a hybrid of understanding and astonishment.
We do canoeing in the spring. I get dragged off to do that during the spring flood/northern snow melts. Creeks are like rapids, getting closelined by limbs, etc. Yea, the boat is a bit more pleasant. Less time in the water swimming after a canoe.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 22 February 21:29

I think our politics will differ, I promise not to get onto religion but otherwise I think we have similar interests.

[Byker28i]

Jimbeaux said:

Russian meddling is a real thing. Not just here, they meddle everywhere. I am pretty sure they have meddled in U.K. politics as well. It was discovered during the Obama administration. They did not react to publicly because we needed Russia cooperation to complete the Iran nuke deal.

There's evidence they meddled in Brexit, the same bot farm practised ready for supporting trump. There's also the money trail put into the leavers.

That doesn't however detract from how much they went all in for trump, and are doing the same again, as of yet we don't know the full story or how much, but parts of the story has started.

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 23 February 07:43

[Byker28i]

Interesting Washington Post opinion piece on the courts recognising GOP voter suppression.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/courts-are...

[NoNeed]

No evidence of new collusion jst one of those dodgy shifty shchiff leaks

https://twitter.com/FaceTheNation/status/123133534...