UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[PRTVR]

Strawman said:

PRTVR said:

I cannot remember which paper I read it in, My point was that the people who can contribute the most, high earners, will have moved for tax reasons, so you are saying people who have never had a job are a benefit to the UK?

Yes, they got a job because they moved to the UK.

What numbers are we talking about? Who employs a person that has not had a job before and their mother tongue is French, where do they live, I could not afford a place in London.

[whyohwhy]

PRTVR said:

What numbers are we talking about? Who employs a person that has not had a job before and their mother tongue is French, where do they live, I could not afford a place in London.

I think you will find that whilst their mother tongue may be French, they also speak fluent English

And maybe shock horror they are bright enough to not only be bilingual, but also hold down a job that enables them to earn enough to live in London.

Providing they haven't moved here to claim benefits where's the problem.

[PRTVR]

whyohwhy said:

PRTVR said:

What numbers are we talking about? Who employs a person that has not had a job before and their mother tongue is French, where do they live, I could not afford a place in London.

I think you will find that whilst their mother tongue may be French, they also speak fluent English

And maybe shock horror they are bright enough to not only be bilingual, but also hold down a job that enables them to earn enough to live in London.

Providing they haven't moved here to claim benefits where's the problem.

You appear quite knowledgeable on the subject, what numbers are we talking about and what jobs are they doing?

[Strawman]

A variety of jobs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18234930

[rs1952]

Disastrous said:

TKF said:

Scuffers internal monologue said:

Yay, dandarez is here! He make me look cleverer

Bugger - beaten to it

[don4l]

TKF said:

don4l said:

toohangry said:

Scuffers said:

don4l said:

Does your £230M include the cost of treating last year's patients?

After a few years, the true cost could easily exceed £2Bn.

exactly the point I was making.

every year it's an additional sum of money, on top of the years before, ie. it's cumulative.

I work it out as being £40bn.

You didn't work anything out.

Daniel Hannan recently pointed out that lefties always try to shut down the debate when they feel that they are losing.

Your post really fits well with his thesis. It is just pointless noise that doesn't add anything to the discussion.

You are not demonstrating your intelligence, and you know it. So, why are you pretending to be thick?

Is TKF your hero?

You didn't work anything out either. Well, you did, but the numbers being discussed are all meaningless. Your estimate of £2Bn has no more solid grounding than the £40Bn figure or my £17Tr. It all comes from Scuffers' entirely baseless "estimate" of 35% so throwing your £2Bn hat into the ring is pointless.

Either you can see this and you're being argumentative or you can't and you're being thick? I think I know which it is but I'd appreciate clarification.

You would appreciate clarification, would you?

I know that I have asked you before... but how old are you?

I had a similar snotty attitude when I was 14, or 15. Thankfully, I grew out of it!

If you rephrase your question in a civil manner, then I will give you an honest answer.

I promise!

Furthermore, I can promise you that you will like the answer.

[PRTVR]

Strawman said:

A variety of jobs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18234930

Did you read the link you posted?
It starts what is attracting young French Professionals to London,
I may be wrong but my understanding of the word professional is somebody who is fully trained for a Job, that usually includes time working at their chosen profession, were we not talking about people who had never had a job?

[Strawman]

Yes I've read it, more than once now. Do you not see how they are an asset to the UK? If you can't see that then you are blind.

[anonymous-user]

TKF said:

Scuffers said:

TKF said:

Scuffers announced just this afternoon that he wants our population reduced to 55m. He denied he wants to control birth rates or euthanise the elderly, so... ?

Uit announced no such thin.

Once again, you fail to read.

I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt and not say you're thick or a liar, however...

Scuffers said:

we could do with reducing the population back to the 55-55M figure

[whyohwhy]

PRTVR said:

Did you read the link you posted?
It starts what is attracting young French Professionals to London,
I may be wrong but my understanding of the word professional is somebody who is fully trained for a Job, that usually includes time working at their chosen profession, were we not talking about people who had never had a job?

Professionals or not, they all seem to be able to speak English, and want to work. Not claim benefits.

What about the large Polish population working in the farming/food processing community. Are they an issue?

[don4l]

Bill said:

Scuffers said:

no, why do you want to sustain the ever growing population?

or do you subscribe to the great pyramid scheme of having more young to pay for the old?

we could do with reducing the population back to the 55-55M figure, this would relieve a lot of the pressured on everything from roads/schools/NHS/etc. to housing.

on a global scale, the world's population is already well over 7Bn, it's simply unsustainable to keep on like this.

A substantial part of that population expansion is due to people living longer. And the infrastructure they need needs paying for. So, as they have retired, where do you plan to get the money from?

Are you under the impression that pensioners don't pay tax?

[PRTVR]

whyohwhy said:

PRTVR said:

Did you read the link you posted?
It starts what is attracting young French Professionals to London,
I may be wrong but my understanding of the word professional is somebody who is fully trained for a Job, that usually includes time working at their chosen profession, were we not talking about people who had never had a job?

Professionals or not, they all seem to be able to speak English, and want to work. Not claim benefits.

What about the large Polish population working in the farming/food processing community. Are they an issue?

If they are not professional what are the chances of earning enough to live in London, the ability to speak English and a willingness to work I would suspect would not give you an income to cover the rent, it always surprises me that anybody can afford to live in London looking at house prices.
I do not know enough about the polish community work in in farming, but has that not been going on for years long before the EU.

[Bill]

don4l said:

Are you under the impression that pensioners don't pay tax?

Of course not, but then even the unemployed pay tax. Do you think someone pays more or less tax once they retire?

[968]

don4l said:

You would appreciate clarification, would you?

I know that I have asked you before... but how old are you?

I had a similar snotty attitude when I was 14, or 15. Thankfully, I grew out of it!

If you rephrase your question in a civil manner, then I will give you an honest answer.

I promise!

Furthermore, I can promise you that you will like the answer.

Instead of sounding like you've had one drink too many, why not answer his question rather than this awful posturing? Where do you get your figures from?

[Axionknight]

Bill said:

don4l said:

Are you under the impression that pensioners don't pay tax?

Of course not, but then even the unemployed pay tax. Do you think someone pays more or less tax once they retire?

You don't pay National Insurance which is a tax in all but name, isn't it?

[whyohwhy]

Bill said:

Of course not, but then even the unemployed pay tax. Do you think someone pays more or less tax once they retire?

A lot of benefits are in fact tax free

So no the unemployed don't pay much if any tax

See https://www.gov.uk/income-tax/taxfree-and-taxable-...

And I've not heard of any volunteering to pay tax on cash in hand jobs

[Bill]

Just saving Don bringing up VAT.

[brenflys777]

UKIP have 1500 LGBT members. Some of those members asked to parade in London Pride but it seems the organisers might be pressured into bigoted intolerance.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/06/03/ukip-to-march...

[toohangry]

Scuffers said:

Uit announced no such thin.

Once again, you fail to read.

Half your comments seem to be denials of things that you've said and a claim that someone's misunderstood your words.

Looking at the above post, it's not difficult to see why. Maybe you should be clearer in what you type...but mainly stop pretending you didn't say something when you did.

[Strawman]

brenflys777 said:

UKIP have 1500 LGBT members. Some of those members asked to parade in London Pride but it seems the organisers might be pressured into bigoted intolerance.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/06/03/ukip-to-march...

From that article

[quote]Farage was accused of “ducking” gay rights issues by pulling out of a planned Q&A with PinkNews ahead of the election, making him the only party leader to not take part.
David Cameron, Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg, Natalie Bennett and Nicola Sturgeon all answered questions from PinkNews readers – but Mr Farage refused to do so.

If Farage refuses to engage with the organisers why should his supporters be welcomed to take part in their parade?