Egypt Air flight MS804 missing!

Egypt Air flight MS804 missing!

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p1stonhead

26,803 posts

173 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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SilverSpur said:
p1stonhead said:
I mean, I know any sea is big, but isn't the med like seriously chocked full of ships and boats? Am I wrong to be surprised it wasn't found relatively quickly?
That area is very deep, and it is a pretty large search area. But you'd think they'd have a pretty tough idea where it was.

Of course, they could have been destroyed in the 'event'.
Yeah I guess it could have come down in tiny pieces. But it's not like the one which apparently ended up near Australia, it was still heading in a straight line between two well known places across probably the busiest shipping sea in the world. Once the radar dropped it, wouldn't it be in a reasonably small zone from the last known point?

SilverSpur

20,911 posts

253 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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p1stonhead said:
SilverSpur said:
p1stonhead said:
I mean, I know any sea is big, but isn't the med like seriously chocked full of ships and boats? Am I wrong to be surprised it wasn't found relatively quickly?
That area is very deep, and it is a pretty large search area. But you'd think they'd have a pretty tough idea where it was.

Of course, they could have been destroyed in the 'event'.
Yeah I guess it could have come down in tiny pieces. But it's not like the one which apparently ended up near Australia, it was still heading in a straight line between two well known places across probably the busiest shipping sea in the world. Once the radar dropped it, wouldn't it be in a reasonably small zone from the last known point?
Yeah you'd think so. There's also quite a lot of military in the general area, searching for immigrants in small boats etc, you'd think someone would have a very reasonable idea.

saaby93

32,038 posts

184 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Does make you wonder if they really want to find it

hidetheelephants

27,619 posts

199 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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SilverSpur said:
Yeah you'd think so. There's also quite a lot of military in the general area, searching for immigrants in small boats etc, you'd think someone would have a very reasonable idea.
There are no immigrants anywhere near the crash site.


saaby93

32,038 posts

184 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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hidetheelephants said:
There are no immigrants anywhere near the crash site.

At last someones found a reportable piece of news yes
Are the migrants heading the right way?

stripy7

806 posts

193 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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saaby93 said:
At last someones found a reportable piece of news yes
Are the migrants heading the right way?
Appear to be going in circles.

anonymous-user

60 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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hidetheelephants said:
SilverSpur said:
Yeah you'd think so. There's also quite a lot of military in the general area, searching for immigrants in small boats etc, you'd think someone would have a very reasonable idea.
There are no immigrants anywhere near the crash site.

Finally. Thanks for posting that,

Earlier on we even read the sea bed was littered with dead migrant bodies. FFS.

anonymous-user

60 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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saaby93 said:
Does make you wonder if they really want to find it
It took two years to find the air France 447 black boxes, that search involved numerous navy ships plus French nuclear submarines, mini subs and towed listening devices from the US navy. It gets much harder after 30 days when the black box stops pinging.

SilverSpur

20,911 posts

253 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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hidetheelephants said:
SilverSpur said:
Yeah you'd think so. There's also quite a lot of military in the general area, searching for immigrants in small boats etc, you'd think someone would have a very reasonable idea.
There are no immigrants anywhere near the crash site.

Point to where you think the aircraft crashed on this map:




Clearly though the shorter routes will be much more attractive to the people smugglers.

I heard that there was a military exercise in the general area at the time too, anyone know if this is true?


Edited by SilverSpur on Thursday 26th May 10:01

Eric Mc

122,789 posts

271 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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el stovey said:
It took two years to find the air France 447 black boxes, that search involved numerous navy ships plus French nuclear submarines, mini subs and towed listening devices from the US navy. It gets much harder after 30 days when the black box stops pinging.
The Med is shallower than the South Atlantic.

What amazes me is that the Royal Navy was able to locate the wreckage of the Comet that crashed off Elba back in 1954 using, by today's standards, very primitive search techniques.

4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

138 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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SilverSpur said:
I heard that there was a military exercise in the general area at the time too, anyone know if this is true?
Yes called Phoenix Express


SilverSpur

20,911 posts

253 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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Eric Mc said:
The Med is shallower than the South Atlantic.

What amazes me is that the Royal Navy was able to locate the wreckage of the Comet that crashed off Elba back in 1954 using, by today's standards, very primitive search techniques.
It was amazing they recovered so much of that aircraft. However, they did have witnesses that knew exactly where it entered the water (fishermen recovered the first bodies from the scene and marked the place) and also, it was in shallow water, at 260 feet.

The area MS804 went down is believed to be around 10,000 feet deep.

Eric Mc

122,789 posts

271 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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Quite a difference in depth obviously. But over 60 years on from 1954 we should have a lot more engineering available to us now compared to back then.

And I think we must have a fair idea where the Airbus went down as wreckage has been spotted and we know at what pointy it dropped off the radar.

jshell

11,306 posts

211 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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Eric Mc said:
Quite a difference in depth obviously. But over 60 years on from 1954 we should have a lot more engineering available to us now compared to back then.

And I think we must have a fair idea where the Airbus went down as wreckage has been spotted and we know at what pointy it dropped off the radar.
Objects on the ocean floor are a bd to find unless you absolutely pin-point them!

I've mentioned this story a few times, but back in 2004 we installed some Christmas tress on oil wells in the Gulf of Guinea. When we went back, the only reference was the DGPS system, well there's no landmarks, and due to the slightest of errors we spent ages mooching around in only 3000 ft of water trying to find 45 tonne blocks of steel. Fecking days due to low vis and a satellite error of a few metres!!

SilverSpur

20,911 posts

253 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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Eric Mc said:
Quite a difference in depth obviously. But over 60 years on from 1954 we should have a lot more engineering available to us now compared to back then.

And I think we must have a fair idea where the Airbus went down as wreckage has been spotted and we know at what pointy it dropped off the radar.
Do we know how big the wreckage field for this one is yet Eric? I don't believe they have said yet whether they think it broke up at high level or if it was intact when it hit the water. All the early reports about manoeuvres and semi controlled descents seem to have been contradicted. I have no idea what parts of what we read is factual and which is made up by the media.

Lack of actual official reported news the last 4-5 days is very odd too. Any one could think there was an active cover up going on or something.....

saaby93

32,038 posts

184 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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el stovey said:
saaby93 said:
Does make you wonder if they really want to find it
It took two years to find the air France 447 black boxes, that search involved numerous navy ships plus French nuclear submarines, mini subs and towed listening devices from the US navy. It gets much harder after 30 days when the black box stops pinging.
Isnt that why the med should be full of kit before the 30 days is up?

MarkRSi

5,782 posts

224 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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stripy7 said:
saaby93 said:
At last someones found a reportable piece of news yes
Are the migrants heading the right way?
Appear to be going in circles.
Much like this thread then rotate

(sorry...)

hidetheelephants

27,619 posts

199 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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Eric Mc said:
el stovey said:
It took two years to find the air France 447 black boxes, that search involved numerous navy ships plus French nuclear submarines, mini subs and towed listening devices from the US navy. It gets much harder after 30 days when the black box stops pinging.
The Med is shallower than the South Atlantic.

What amazes me is that the Royal Navy was able to locate the wreckage of the Comet that crashed off Elba back in 1954 using, by today's standards, very primitive search techniques.
It was one of the first uses of CCTV underwater.

Eric Mc

122,789 posts

271 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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It was. Very advanced for its time.

Cobnapint

8,788 posts

157 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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Where's Jacques Cousteau when you need him...?