CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 13)
Discussion
Biker 1 said:
Must be horrible to work for a business that mandates them! Fortunately for me, there is no requirement...
Bet my place will continue to insist. Awful things and after a 8 hour shift I have catarrh and a cough which I suspect is from breathing in my own stale breath all day. My place also wants to know where exactly we are going on our holidays and ANY foreign travel must end in 2 weeks quarantine before returning to work, whatever colour that country is!
Guess I got my tan from that week caravanning in Bridlington and don't forget to stop uploading pics to FaveBook.
RECr said:
Biker 1 said:
Telegraph reporting masks will become optional:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-...
Article says: 'Face masks will become optional when Freedom Day finally materialises, but wearing the coverings may still be "advisory" in some settings, a Cabinet minister has warned.'
If this is true, I wonder how many people will still wear the bloody things? Nick, are you there? Will you continue to wear one??
If they remain as guidance/best practise I reckon there is every chance workplaces etc will continue to mandate them. As covid seems to be viewed as a disease employers can prevent, they will be reluctant to remove any perceived preventative measures.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-...
Article says: 'Face masks will become optional when Freedom Day finally materialises, but wearing the coverings may still be "advisory" in some settings, a Cabinet minister has warned.'
If this is true, I wonder how many people will still wear the bloody things? Nick, are you there? Will you continue to wear one??
"George Eustice said the government wants "all of the legal requirements to do things to be taken away completely" at step four of its roadmap for lifting COVID-19 measures, which is currently scheduled for 19 July.
"Whether there will still be some people who might choose to wear masks or whether it may be advisory in some settings, that's a separate matter," he said.
"But the objective of that final stage is to remove the legal requirement to do these things."
Asked if he would continue to wear a face covering beyond that point, the minister replied: "I wouldn't, no. I have to be honest, once I'm told it's safe not to, I want to get back to normal."
Speaking to MPs last week, Public Health England's Dr Susan Hopkins said there will be more emphasis on personal risk and responsibility once COVID restrictions are lifted.
"I think we will all need to make decisions for ourselves, particularly on wearing masks, using better ventilation, hand hygiene," she told MPs on the Commons Science and Technology Committee.
RSbandit said:
I often wore a cover over my face when snowboarding when it was especially cold...long before Covid...no idea why Gnome would mention it in relation to Covid.
Oh, I usually do. A nice thick neoprene one. But it's got holes in to breath through, and I wear it outside and take it off to go inside, so it's indeed utterly irrelevant to this discussion. 
croyde said:
Bet my place will continue to insist. Awful things and after a 8 hour shift I have catarrh and a cough which I suspect is from breathing in my own stale breath all day.
My place also wants to know where exactly we are going on our holidays and ANY foreign travel must end in 2 weeks quarantine before returning to work, whatever colour that country is!
Guess I got my tan from that week caravanning in Bridlington and don't forget to stop uploading pics to FaveBook.
Can they do that legally? Are you paid for the 2 weeks quarantine or not? Seems wrong to me although IANAL.My place also wants to know where exactly we are going on our holidays and ANY foreign travel must end in 2 weeks quarantine before returning to work, whatever colour that country is!
Guess I got my tan from that week caravanning in Bridlington and don't forget to stop uploading pics to FaveBook.
monkeychild said:
I love the whole "vaccinated vs unvaccinated" thing. I mentioned the other day that my Mrs manager wasn't in work due to a positve LFT test and symptoms. He's now had his PCR test results and they have come back as positive. He was jibing her for not being vaccinated, yet he is double jabbed and now off work for 10 days with COVID, whilst my wife who is un-vaxxed, fit and healthy is symptom free 
Yeah, we totally need it in our house that hasn't been ill!! P.S I don't wear a mask.
Saddest thing there is the obvious delight you take from all that. Yeah, we totally need it in our house that hasn't been ill!! P.S I don't wear a mask.J210 said:
The Gov have massively underestimated the Uefa vip situation.
People are angry and ministers coming out with VIP's should be allowed to not have to follow the rules. Hopefully just adds fuel to the fire.
It highlights the us and them approach, these people are just working for a company nothing else so why can they who have far more social variance have the constraints lifted?People are angry and ministers coming out with VIP's should be allowed to not have to follow the rules. Hopefully just adds fuel to the fire.
It is pure division
, I've told her to go to HR about him.TopTrump said:
monkeychild said:
I love the whole "vaccinated vs unvaccinated" thing. I mentioned the other day that my Mrs manager wasn't in work due to a positve LFT test and symptoms. He's now had his PCR test results and they have come back as positive. He was jibing her for not being vaccinated, yet he is double jabbed and now off work for 10 days with COVID, whilst my wife who is un-vaxxed, fit and healthy is symptom free Yeah, we totally need it in our house that hasn't been ill!! P.S I don't wear a mask.
Saddest thing there is the obvious delight you take from all that. Yeah, we totally need it in our house that hasn't been ill!! P.S I don't wear a mask.I can see why people relish what is now the disillusionment of such victims.
J210 said:
The Gov have massively underestimated the Uefa vip situation.
People are angry and ministers coming out with VIP's should be allowed to not have to follow the rules. Hopefully just adds fuel to the fire.
Good! People need a bit of fire in their belly to wake them up to this nonsense.People are angry and ministers coming out with VIP's should be allowed to not have to follow the rules. Hopefully just adds fuel to the fire.
J210 said:
The Gov have massively underestimated the Uefa vip situation.
People are angry and ministers coming out with VIP's should be allowed to not have to follow the rules. Hopefully just adds fuel to the fire.
Considering schools all over the country are having to cancel parent attendance for sports day events, it really has shown the two tier system created. Basically if you have influence and money, you can do what you want whereas the plebs face fines People are angry and ministers coming out with VIP's should be allowed to not have to follow the rules. Hopefully just adds fuel to the fire.
This was posted on a forum I've been on for years this morning.
i think i'm doing the riskiest thing i've done all year today, having a friend's teenaged daughter come to stay here for a bit from London. I don't think there's any point in trying to socially distance inside the house or anything like that is there. I am really just scared of the long covid.
I didn't want to reply with you'll be fine, as I'd get a barrage of insults talking about hospitalisations and being 'selfish'.
I've said it before, but you have to wonder just how many terrified people there still are up and down the country. It's appalling what's been done to them.
i think i'm doing the riskiest thing i've done all year today, having a friend's teenaged daughter come to stay here for a bit from London. I don't think there's any point in trying to socially distance inside the house or anything like that is there. I am really just scared of the long covid.
I didn't want to reply with you'll be fine, as I'd get a barrage of insults talking about hospitalisations and being 'selfish'.
I've said it before, but you have to wonder just how many terrified people there still are up and down the country. It's appalling what's been done to them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57592596
This situation is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.
This situation is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.
NewBod said:
Nick, I've said this over and over again. If you are vaccinated, what is the issue with meeting someone unvaccinated?
Also, unvaccinated doesn't always mean infectious. You could still be infectious even if you are vaccinated.
To be infectious you have to have covid and have sufficient viral load for you to pass it on. In other words, you need to be ill. Not everyone unvaccinated has covid and I'm still unsure about asymptomatic transmission claims.
Simple probabilities. It's maths.Also, unvaccinated doesn't always mean infectious. You could still be infectious even if you are vaccinated.
To be infectious you have to have covid and have sufficient viral load for you to pass it on. In other words, you need to be ill. Not everyone unvaccinated has covid and I'm still unsure about asymptomatic transmission claims.
Yes a vaccinated person can be infectious. Evidence is growing all the time as more people get vaccinated that an infectious vaccinated person reduces their transmitability by 50%
As a vaccinated person i have about a 20% chance of catching it from an unvaccinated person. This is reduced to 10% if the other person is vaccinated. This assumes like for like conditions.
Boringvolvodriver said:
DaveV6 said:
Received this just now.
You recently signed the petition “Do not rollout Covid-19 vaccine passports”:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957
The Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee (a group of MPs who look into issues relating to the UK constitution and civil service) has published a report which calls for the Government to scrap any plans to introduce domestic Covid-status certification, also known as Covid passports.
The Government has suggested that such a system, based on proof of vaccination or a negative test result, could help manage the disease in future, allowing the economy to reopen and social restrictions to be lifted. It is currently undertaking a review into whether (and how) such a system could be introduced.
However, the MPs on the Committee said the Government had so far failed to make the scientific case in favour of the system, and raised concerns that such a system could “disproportionately discriminate” against people on the basis of their race, religion, age or socio-economic background. They concluded plans for Covid passports were "unnecessary" and "unjustified".
Read the report (HTML):
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5802/cmsel...
Not read the full report yet although given the conclusion that they are unnecessary and unjustified, the government will probably bring them in! You recently signed the petition “Do not rollout Covid-19 vaccine passports”:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957
The Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee (a group of MPs who look into issues relating to the UK constitution and civil service) has published a report which calls for the Government to scrap any plans to introduce domestic Covid-status certification, also known as Covid passports.
The Government has suggested that such a system, based on proof of vaccination or a negative test result, could help manage the disease in future, allowing the economy to reopen and social restrictions to be lifted. It is currently undertaking a review into whether (and how) such a system could be introduced.
However, the MPs on the Committee said the Government had so far failed to make the scientific case in favour of the system, and raised concerns that such a system could “disproportionately discriminate” against people on the basis of their race, religion, age or socio-economic background. They concluded plans for Covid passports were "unnecessary" and "unjustified".
Read the report (HTML):
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5802/cmsel...
However, the saving Grace is that IIRC Labour are against the idea and hopefully there are enough Tory MP with the balls to oppose it. My MP has said he doesn’t agree although he has form for saying one thing and then voting with the government!
). (I'm including negative test before entry which is probably slightly disingenuous of me - but I think any such vaccine passport will provide such a feature))vixen1700 said:
This was posted on a forum I've been on for years this morning.
i think i'm doing the riskiest thing i've done all year today, having a friend's teenaged daughter come to stay here for a bit from London. I don't think there's any point in trying to socially distance inside the house or anything like that is there. I am really just scared of the long covid.
I didn't want to reply with you'll be fine, as I'd get a barrage of insults talking about hospitalisations and being 'selfish'.
I've said it before, but you have to wonder just how many terrified people there still are up and down the country. It's appalling what's been done to them.
It's a mental illness.i think i'm doing the riskiest thing i've done all year today, having a friend's teenaged daughter come to stay here for a bit from London. I don't think there's any point in trying to socially distance inside the house or anything like that is there. I am really just scared of the long covid.
I didn't want to reply with you'll be fine, as I'd get a barrage of insults talking about hospitalisations and being 'selfish'.
I've said it before, but you have to wonder just how many terrified people there still are up and down the country. It's appalling what's been done to them.
The mental scars of COVID will be here long long after the lockdown and the restrictions have ended.
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