General Election July 2024

[p1stonhead]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

Oooh, here we go, they are all coming out now.......

Come on fellas, rant away, you can consider it therapy.

If you dismiss every economic / trade / travel outcome of it which has already happened (no longer ‘project fear’), literally all you have is the likes of the breaking point poster.
So congrats. You are the cliche Brexiter. Muslamic ray guns innit.

Let me guess. Reform Party will save the day?

[eharding]

croyde said:

Rufus Stone said:

Has anyone actually said Labour will solve all the problems within a week?

They are going to need a couple of terms at least.

Won't happen will it!

People will get so fed up of Labour being unable to deliver the impossible (if they even have a plan) within one term that'll we'll end up swinging from one party to the other for the next few decades.

I want the Tories out because they have shown themselves to be a bunch of crooks and liars, but I don't expect Labour to do any better.

I doubt there will be any reversal of sentiment towards the Conservatives to effect a recovery to power within one parliamentary term - we've only had two effectively single-term Labour or Conservative governments since the war I think (Heath and Attlee) - so I'd guess we're in for at least 10 years under Labour, and with the prospective balkanisation of the Conservatives into a medley of smaller parties there's a reasonable chance that those over the age of, say, 65 might never live see another right-leaning government in the UK.

They might live just long enough to see us re-join the EU though. Which is nice.

[swisstoni]

I’m afraid that Britain is bucking the trend to the right playing out on mainland Europe.

Remarkably the Cons have been so crap as to counteract this gravitational pull and have caused an electoral move to the left!

I don’t expect that to survive long though. I suspect that the Labour govt will last one term.

I also think that Farage sees his opportunity during the Labour govt. and to lead some kind of right wing vehicle to the next GE.
It might even begin with a C and not an R.

But the crystal ball is clouding over again. And I need another beer …

[Don Roque]

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24340688.tory-co...

[carlo996]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

For people like yourself, Brexit will be classed as a disaster whatever happened. No point in discussing it with you because anything that does not fit your narrative is dismissed. You just can't help yourselves.

I just felt like pushing a little dig back because unpleasant people like you seem to feel it's fine to insult people who voted in a way that you (and your buddies) didn't like.

It's not a narrative. Everything is quantifiably worse. At least try and be objective.

[JagLover]

swisstoni said:

I’m afraid that Britain is bucking the trend to the right playing out on mainland Europe.

Remarkably the Cons have been so crap as to counteract this gravitational pull and have caused an electoral move to the left!

The mood is anti-establishment rather than really a move to the right imo. Traditional centre-right parties have often suffered, as they no more have the answers to today's issues than the Tories.

[Timothy Bucktu]

swisstoni said:

I’m afraid that Britain is bucking the trend to the right playing out on mainland Europe.

Remarkably the Cons have been so crap as to counteract this gravitational pull and have caused an electoral move to the left!

I don’t expect that to survive long though. I suspect that the Labour govt will last one term.

I also think that Farage sees his opportunity during the Labour govt. and to lead some kind of right wing vehicle to the next GE.
It might even begin with a C and not an R.

But the crystal ball is clouding over again. And I need another beer …

I think Farage has found his calling in the US now. He'll be buddying up to Trump in his campaign. It's where the money is at the end of the day.
You may hate his politics...but he's a good politician.

[Randy Winkman]

JagLover said:

swisstoni said:

I’m afraid that Britain is bucking the trend to the right playing out on mainland Europe.

Remarkably the Cons have been so crap as to counteract this gravitational pull and have caused an electoral move to the left!

The mood is anti-establishment rather than really a move to the right imo. Traditional centre-right parties have often suffered, as they no more have the answers to today's issues than the Tories.

The anti-establishment thing is happening the world over as regular working people realise that governments and big business are taking the **** out of them.

For me, that's the only possible explanation of the continued attraction of Donald Trump who (again, for me) shows absolutely no indication of being able to actually deliver anything for them. It's just a protest vote.

[Killboy]

Just what can Farage do for the US? Pretend to have the support of the UK behind him and de-facto Trump?

[oddball1313]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

oddball1313 said:

Brexit is the worst thing those idiots created, anyone who thinks its good i assume doesn't do any business with Europe. What was super easy is now a redtape nightmare, EX1's, T1's, INCOTERMS like DAP, DDP etc. commodity codes and OGELS. I fking hate it, only a complete moron could have voted for it because it was obvious this was going to be the end result, no gain for anyone except for scumbags like Farage, Mogg & Johnson.

Want some cream for that butthurt, or do you feel better after that little rant?

TriumphStag3.0V8 - the sort of guy who votes for a self imposed trade sanction and thinks it's still a good thing despite the evidence it isn't.

[p1stonhead]

Randy Winkman said:

JagLover said:

swisstoni said:

I’m afraid that Britain is bucking the trend to the right playing out on mainland Europe.

Remarkably the Cons have been so crap as to counteract this gravitational pull and have caused an electoral move to the left!

The mood is anti-establishment rather than really a move to the right imo. Traditional centre-right parties have often suffered, as they no more have the answers to today's issues than the Tories.

The anti-establishment thing is happening the world over as regular working people realise that governments and big business are taking the **** out of them.

For me, that's the only possible explanation of the continued attraction of Donald Trump who (again, for me) shows absolutely no indication of being able to actually deliver anything for them. It's just a protest vote.

Imagine thinking voting for this guy is a protest vote

Edited by p1stonhead on Thursday 23 May 14:43

[S600BSB]

carlo996 said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

For people like yourself, Brexit will be classed as a disaster whatever happened. No point in discussing it with you because anything that does not fit your narrative is dismissed. You just can't help yourselves.

I just felt like pushing a little dig back because unpleasant people like you seem to feel it's fine to insult people who voted in a way that you (and your buddies) didn't like.

It's not a narrative. Everything is quantifiably worse. At least try and be objective.

Spot on

[p1stonhead]

S600BSB said:

carlo996 said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

For people like yourself, Brexit will be classed as a disaster whatever happened. No point in discussing it with you because anything that does not fit your narrative is dismissed. You just can't help yourselves.

I just felt like pushing a little dig back because unpleasant people like you seem to feel it's fine to insult people who voted in a way that you (and your buddies) didn't like.

It's not a narrative. Everything is quantifiably worse. At least try and be objective.

Spot on

Immigration figures are way down though at least.

Oh wait.

[Mr Penguin]

swisstoni said:

I’m afraid that Britain is bucking the trend to the right playing out on mainland Europe.

Remarkably the Cons have been so crap as to counteract this gravitational pull and have caused an electoral move to the left!

I don’t expect that to survive long though. I suspect that the Labour govt will last one term.

I also think that Farage sees his opportunity during the Labour govt. and to lead some kind of right wing vehicle to the next GE.
It might even begin with a C and not an R.

But the crystal ball is clouding over again. And I need another beer …

It's not a move to the right but a move against incumbents as always happens after a crisis.

[CivicDuties]

carlo996 said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

For people like yourself, Brexit will be classed as a disaster whatever happened. No point in discussing it with you because anything that does not fit your narrative is dismissed. You just can't help yourselves.

I just felt like pushing a little dig back because unpleasant people like you seem to feel it's fine to insult people who voted in a way that you (and your buddies) didn't like.

It's not a narrative. Everything is quantifiably worse. At least try and be objective.

Yes but its not much worse, and it's so worth it for all the good things, and because all the people we don't like, such as yourself you remoaning libtard, why do you hate democracy but woe betide you if you ask for any more democracy are upset.

I think that's the answer you'll get. Which of course will ignore the fact that everything is indeed very much worse, and you will never get any definition what the good things are other than the EU were going to make us do bad things if we stayed.

Objectivity hasn't got a hope with these folks.

[turbobloke]

CivicDuties said:

carlo996 said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

For people like yourself, Brexit will be classed as a disaster whatever happened. No point in discussing it with you because anything that does not fit your narrative is dismissed. You just can't help yourselves.

I just felt like pushing a little dig back because unpleasant people like you seem to feel it's fine to insult people who voted in a way that you (and your buddies) didn't like.

It's not a narrative. Everything is quantifiably worse. At least try and be objective.

Yes but its not much worse, and it's so worth it for all the good things, and because all the people we don't like, such as yourself you remoaning libtard, why do you hate democracy but woe betide you if you ask for any more democracy are upset.

I think that's the answer you'll get. Which of course will ignore the fact that everything is indeed very much worse, and you will never get any definition what the good things are other than the EU were going to make us do bad things if we stayed.

Objectivity hasn't got a hope with these folks.

Not everything is worse, not by a long shot. Some people are still believing naff but well publiised guesses. Stuff parroted by tearful remainers turned out wrong more often than not. Beyond that, brexit was about far more than a narrow focus on short-term trade aka trade myopia.

Doomsayers ‘proved wrong’ as UK is shown not to be a lowball outlier. The post-brexit UK economy had the third-fastest Covid recovery in G7, not as previously thought (and still wrongly believed).

https://www.cityam.com/doomsayers-proved-wrong-uk-...

This has all been done in the brexit thread. The doomsayer remainers will continue to want to believe what they want to believe.

[s1962a]

eharding said:

..there's a reasonable chance that those over the age of, say, 65 might never live see another right-leaning government in the UK.

They might live just long enough to see us re-join the EU though. Which is nice.

The sad fact is that we'll probably end up with all the rules and bureaucracy so we can trade effectively with Europe, with none of the benefits of being a member, including voting rights. We might even have to end up paying in "our fair share" of costs to be able to enable frictionless trade.

[CivicDuties]

s1962a said:

eharding said:

..there's a reasonable chance that those over the age of, say, 65 might never live see another right-leaning government in the UK.

They might live just long enough to see us re-join the EU though. Which is nice.

The sad fact is that we'll probably end up with all the rules and bureaucracy so we can trade effectively with Europe, with none of the benefits of being a member, including voting rights. We might even have to end up paying in "our fair share" of costs to be able to enable frictionless trade.

The Norway position. The inevitable gravity of the situation pretty much guarantees this as the logical end point. It works OK for Norway, but for a country of our weight it's unacceptable. And this is (one of the many reasons) why we should never have left.

[Abbott]

Just a reminder - if you live outside the UK you can register to vote. They have dropped the 15 year limit. You just need to confirm that your are on an electoral roll which is usually your last place you voted. Then you can apply for a postal vote.
Easily found on the UK gov website

[a311]

David87 said:

paulw123 said:

Crumpet said:

Surely this will be one of the lowest voter turnouts ever at an election? I know loads of conservative voters who can’t face holding their nose and voting Tory but who also can’t face voting for the other options. What a state we’re in.

My thoughts. Tories dont deserve my vote but Labour most certainly dont either.

This is me. I can't vote for either.

This is me too.

Be interesting to see what happens north of the border, I don't have any skin in the game other than half my family being Scottish. Despite the SNP having a track record of generally failing to improve or deliver anything they continually get voted in with a big majority. No doubt the decline of the Scottish Labour party has much to do with this as many would never vote conservative regardless.