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dudleybloke said:
It's like when a small child learns a new word - they just keep repeating it continually!FourWheelDrift said:
'African-American', using that term is a form of segregation. If they are born in the USA or have US citizenship they are not African-Americans they are Americans. That would be a good start to sorting our the racial problems.
Trump's speech yesterday was so patronizing. He stereotyped all African Americans as the same. No wonder he's polling at 1% among that demographic. He simply can't get past his base of white bigots and he pivots back to them all the time. Bannon will just push him further towards them. As he gets more desperate he gets more extreme. Conway is obviously trying to move him but he lacks the intellect and is too much of a narcissist to listen to anyone for more than a day. I'll be shocked if she's still on board on polling day.TheExcession said:
Off-T but On-T
Channel 4 are showing a 'Can He Really Win...' now.
He's going to get slaughtered. The question is can he do better than Goldwater. Goldwater lost 486-52, winning just 6 states. Goldwater even lost Indiana, Kentucky and Texas so unlikely Trump will beat that record. Goldwater did win in bigot central, Louisiana, so not much has changed there! Channel 4 are showing a 'Can He Really Win...' now.
Esseesse said:
hidetheelephants said:
The Trump impersonator was the best bit; he had the speech pattern spot on.
I missed exactly what he said before the word 'landslide'.Was it lose in a landslide or win in a landslide?
I think it's going to be very close (although I doubt it will be a landslide).
Countdown said:
He thought Trump was going to win. He said the polls didn't reflect what he was seeing "on the ground".
I think it's going to be very close (although I doubt it will be a landslide).
It's certainly interesting, will it be another brexit?I think it's going to be very close (although I doubt it will be a landslide).
I think he'll own certain red states, but he needs the purple ones to win thanks to the system. So, who knows?
Halb said:
Countdown said:
He thought Trump was going to win. He said the polls didn't reflect what he was seeing "on the ground".
I think it's going to be very close (although I doubt it will be a landslide).
It's certainly interesting, will it be another brexit?I think it's going to be very close (although I doubt it will be a landslide).
I think he'll own certain red states, but he needs the purple ones to win thanks to the system. So, who knows?
The Trump campaign is in such a mess and the numbers are so bad that he's now trying to pivot on his immigration plans - deport 11 million, ban Muslims and build a wall. The main reason the crazies have been for him is because he's promised to deport brown people and close the borders! He risks losing the base he has built while chasing after people that detest him and will never vote for him.
unrepentant said:
You do know that he's losing in Georgia and it's a tie in Arizona and Missouri? All previously reliably red states. Even South Carolina is close. In the purple states he's down everywhere and some purple states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Colorado and Virginia and no longer considered to be purple and have been moved into the blue column. Trump loses now even if he wins all the remaining swing states and all the red states. He won't of course and he will lose by a big margin.
The Trump campaign is in such a mess and the numbers are so bad that he's now trying to pivot on his immigration plans - deport 11 million, ban Muslims and build a wall. The main reason the crazies have been for him is because he's promised to deport brown people and close the borders! He risks losing the base he has built while chasing after people that detest him and will never vote for him.
I didn't. The Trump campaign is in such a mess and the numbers are so bad that he's now trying to pivot on his immigration plans - deport 11 million, ban Muslims and build a wall. The main reason the crazies have been for him is because he's promised to deport brown people and close the borders! He risks losing the base he has built while chasing after people that detest him and will never vote for him.
What's more interesting to me is the chance of the GoP losing the senate. How will they maintain control without a Death Star™.
scherzkeks said:
Jimbeaux said:
This is all so insane!
The pic of her handler holding an epi-pen is also interesting, as is the video where he walks on to calm her in the face of animal rights protestors. Pics of her being dragged up the stairs, prism glasses, etc. All quite interesting. Edited by scherzkeks on Sunday 21st August 21:56
I can understand people not wanting Trump in the white house.
I can understand people not liking his abrasive nature.
I can understand people being worried about his policies.
What I can not understand is people that would vote Hillary for any other reason other than "She's not Trump."
She is as crooked as any other president before her and if they keep uncovering the misdeeds she and her associates have been up to... well... the election is still a few months away.
I can understand people not liking his abrasive nature.
I can understand people being worried about his policies.
What I can not understand is people that would vote Hillary for any other reason other than "She's not Trump."
She is as crooked as any other president before her and if they keep uncovering the misdeeds she and her associates have been up to... well... the election is still a few months away.
longblackcoat said:
You know the epi-pen thing is bks, right? It was a flashlight, as confirmed by the Secret Service.
I don't care what it is in all honesty. I am here to be entertained, as there is nothing worth caring about. I never thought I'd see anyone worse at the executive level than GWB, bar the close call with Palin as a potential VP. And just look at us now, baby!
Art0ir said:
I can understand people not wanting Trump in the white house.
I can understand people not liking his abrasive nature.
I can understand people being worried about his policies.
What I can not understand is people that would vote Hillary for any other reason other than "She's not Trump."
She is as crooked as any other president before her and if they keep uncovering the misdeeds she and her associates have been up to... well... the election is still a few months away.
Bearing in mind that most of what you think you know isn't true what do you think she's done that's "crooked"?I can understand people not liking his abrasive nature.
I can understand people being worried about his policies.
What I can not understand is people that would vote Hillary for any other reason other than "She's not Trump."
She is as crooked as any other president before her and if they keep uncovering the misdeeds she and her associates have been up to... well... the election is still a few months away.
She used an email server that she now accepts she shouldn't have. She used it for convenience and for personal security but she's accepted it was a mistake and she's held her hands up to it. There was no illegality or suggestion of malice.
She's accused of being secretive. Well, she's been in the public eye and hounded and reviled by the right for 30 years. She's used to them dissecting every detail of her life to try and find something to beat her with so yes, she's a little paranoid about keeping her private life private. On the other hand she's released 30 years of tax returns and we know more about her and her family than anyone else in America.
Her husband has a "foundation". Well, so do lots of ex presidents. The difference here is that Bill left office a relatively young man and has devoted huge amounts of time to doing good works around the world. The Clinton foundation is a charity, supported by the great and the good of the world, and has done an incredible amount to help the under privileged. Did they get some donations from people that we would consider undesirable? Maybe, so did every other charity on earth.
People who met her gave money to the foundation. So what? It's a charity and if they were impressed by her and wanted to help they donated. Good job, charities need all they can get. People who gave money subsequently met her. So what? There is no evidence of anyone receiving a favor because of a donation to the foundation.
She gave some speeches to Goldman Sachs for which she was very well paid. So what? If Blair or Cameron or any senior politician gives a private speech they get paid. The more famous, the more in demand, the bigger the fee. They wanted to pay $250k for a speech from her then she's hardly going to turn it down. Trump owes ten of millions to Goldman Sachs. Who do you think GS have the biggest hold over - someone who owes them tens of millions of dollars or someone who they paid a few hundred grand to for some speeches? (Trump is massively in debt to Wall St and perhaps more ominously to Chinese state owned banks to whom he is personally in hock for huge sums).
Trump on the other hand is responsible for the biggest Ponzi scheme since Madoff, a fraud perpetrated on thousands of ordinary Americans many of whom were wiped out by it. He shows no remorse about it whatsoever but lies and blusters and continues to fabricate while racially abusing the judge who is standing up to him. He's a serial bankrupt who has left a trail of debt and ruined small businessmen in his wake. Both of those things should alone disqualify him from any public office. But there's much, much more. He's a narcissistic misogynist with a history of racism going back to the 1970's and continuing to this day. Again, a disqualifier. He's a man who openly boasts about paying "as little tax as possible" and probably pays none or next to none which is why he refuses to publish his returns. He's lied about his charitable giving and compares his attempts at avoiding syphilis with the sacrifice made by servicemen in Vietnam. Like that other bullying crook, Robert Maxwell, he threatens and sues anyone who crosses him and has used the law to tie up small businessmen who he owes money to in court until they run out of cash or the will to go on. He is a disgusting excuse for a human being and I honestly cannot understand how anyone with any kind of moral compass could vote for him.
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