scotland to reduce Drink Drive limit

[AJL308]

Nickgnome said:

AJL308 said:

I did it years ago and it is not "much easier than driving a car". The statement is ridiculous.

Add to that the very different relationship that alcohol and altitude have with the human body and you'll see that the analogy made before is obviously stupid.

He was an RAF pilot. 1942 onward. I will go with his comparison thank you. Not sure why you would say it is ridiculous if you never had many hours flying experience. Although he gave up when he left the RAF after about 10 years he went flying again when he was 75. He maintained it was like getting back on his bike.

I accept fully alcohol is absorbed more rapidly at altitude. I’d like to see how once it is absorbed if performance differs with the same absorbed state in anyone else.

I am not going to engage further with you as it’s Friday night and we are going for a drink at the sailing club. Walking as it happens.

We will always disagree but you are the only one of the two of us who may be, but hopefully not, involved in an accident whilst under the influence of alcohol even if under the current limit.

You must have missed the part where I said that I don't drink when I'm driving - let alone "under the influence".

And you are still talking rubbish. Piloting an aircraft is not by any measure "easier" than driving a car. The suggestion that it is is utter idiocy.

[AJL308]

Red 4 said:

Rovinghawk said:

And in the case of this pointless limit reduction why don't they scrap it as it doesn't work? The more emotive support it but don't seem to have valid reason.

I've read the summary.

The reasons why the lowering of the limit does not appear to have worked could be due to many factors.

A hardcore of drink drivers.

Limited enforcement.

Geography.

Attitudes (the message is not sinking in).

It is, however, impossible to quantify the number of RTCs that may have been avoided.

Drink/ drive figures actually increased in my force area last year.

I think everyone agrees that alcohol (in whatever amount) leads to impairment.

Like I've said, I support a reduction.

Then they are simply believing the line they have always been fed, presumably because it's easy to repeat something which many other will agree with.

The studies actually show that when given a small amount of alcohol the accident rate drops.

[Rovinghawk]

AJL308 said:

The studies actually show that when given a small amount of alcohol the accident rate drops.

Facts are not relevant- he's already stated that his 'best guess' matters more than statistics. Stop trying to use facts & figures in a debate that's all about feelings, emotions & attitudes set in stone.

[simoid]

Rovinghawk said:

AJL308 said:

The studies actually show that when given a small amount of alcohol the accident rate drops.

Facts are not relevant- he's already stated that his 'best guess' matters more than statistics. Stop trying to use facts & figures in a debate that's all about feelings, emotions & attitudes set in stone.

Could you share links to said studies please?

[Nickgnome]

AJL308 said:

You must have missed the part where I said that I don't drink when I'm driving - let alone "under the influence".

And you are still talking rubbish. Piloting an aircraft is not by any measure "easier" than driving a car. The suggestion that it is is utter idiocy.

Unfortunatly my Dad is dead so no longer able to defend his opinion as an ex RAF pilot. I find it very insulting that you, by inference, state he was an idiot.

Why you would say that when you are not a qualified pilot is very odd.

[Red 4]

AJL308 said:

Then they are simply believing the line they have always been fed, presumably because it's easy to repeat something which many other will agree with.

The studies actually show that when given a small amount of alcohol the accident rate drops.

They don't.

I've provided a link to a study several pages back which shows 1 drink = 5 times more likely to be involved in a fatal collision.

Please show the evidence to support your claims.

My own opinion is that there really is no need to drink and drive ( at all).
If you do then you really only have yourself to blame if you are caught ... Insert tiny violin giff here [ ].

[Red 4]

Rovinghawk said:

Facts are not relevant- he's already stated that his 'best guess' matters more than statistics. Stop trying to use facts & figures in a debate that's all about feelings, emotions & attitudes set in stone.

I haven't said that at all - I've provided supporting evidence to back up my opinion.

I also speak from first hand experience.

I am, however, absolutely gutted that a world class Walt, proven liar and complete weirdo like you disagrees with me.

[thetrickcyclist]

Red 4 said:

Rovinghawk said:

Facts are not relevant- he's already stated that his 'best guess' matters more than statistics. Stop trying to use facts & figures in a debate that's all about feelings, emotions & attitudes set in stone.

I haven't said that at all - I've provided supporting evidence to back up my opinion.

I also speak from first hand experience.

I am, however, absolutely gutted that a world class Walt, proven liar and complete weirdo like you disagrees with me.

And those facts that indicate your opinion is in fact flawed?

"an inconvenient truth"

[Red 4]

thetrickcyclist said:

And those facts that indicate your opinion is in fact flawed?

"an inconvenient truth"

Nothing in The Lancet report has caused me to alter my view.

A similar number of injury accidents occurred after the DD limit was reduced in Scotland ?

So what ?

The reasons for that are almost certainly multifactorial.

Some people are arguing that alcohol makes you a better driver.

I suspect they may be people with, er, issues who are probably in denial

There's also a reasonable chance they are pissed

[thetrickcyclist]

Red 4 said:

thetrickcyclist said:

And those facts that indicate your opinion is in fact flawed?

"an inconvenient truth"

Nothing in The Lancet report has caused me to alter my view.

A similar number of injury accidents occurred after the DD limit was reduced in Scotland ?

So what ?

The reasons for that are almost certainly multifactorial.

Some people are arguing that alcohol makes you a better driver.

I suspect they may be people with, er, issues who are probably in denial

There's also a reasonable chance they are pissed

Well one of them is..

[Rovinghawk]

Red 4 said:

Rovinghawk said:

Facts are not relevant- he's already stated that his 'best guess' matters more than statistics. Stop trying to use facts & figures in a debate that's all about feelings, emotions & attitudes set in stone.

I haven't said that at all - I've provided supporting evidence to back up my opinion.

Really?

Red 4 said:

Best guess will be fine ... I don't need stats.

You said exactly that on Friday. You are a liar, here is the proof.

[Red 4]

Rovinghawk said:

You said exactly that on Friday. You are a liar, here is the proof.

"Best guess" was a question I asked in relation to how many people are affected by a fatal RTC.

Misquoting people ? Is that the best you can do ?

I'd get a second opinion on that massive (self declared) IQ if I were you.

Personally, I think you're a bit thick ( amongst other things).

[ChemicalChaos]

England won't be reducing their limit, after Scotland sees no reduction in road deaths:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7025505/D...


..... as everyone with half a brain predicted at the time of introduction

[technodup]

Well isn't that a surprise.

[simoid]

technodup said:

Well isn't that a surprise.

Something had to be done, and they done something

[Vipers]

simoid said:

technodup said:

Well isn't that a surprise.

Something had to be done, and they done something

Yes they did something, managed to close even more pubs. Our local near Aberdeen, an old 17th coaching Inn is suffering because of it.

[Brads67]

Well, wee Krankies bandwagon turned out to be going nowhere. Surprise surprise.

Didn't support it then and don't support it now.

All it's done is turn people that were just under the limit into drunk drivers 3 times over the limit.

One woman was reported as 7 times over the limit, OMG she is the devil. An idiot for sure and a drunk driver all the same but under the normal limit it would have never even made the "pander to the baying masses and wee queen krankie" Daily Ragord .

[Starfighter]

Something is off with your maths there. The breath limit dropped from 35 to 22 anyone 3x the new limit would still be well over the old limit.

Gesture politics fails yet again.

[3.1416]

In wee Krankie territory, there is no drink drive - naybody can afford their ain car.

Nay fur coat and nay knickers either.

[Vipers]

3.1416 said:

In wee Krankie territory, there is no drink drive - naybody can afford their ain car.

Nay fur coat and nay knickers either.

That sporg has to go.