Are the left wing less tolerant of the views of others?

[crankedup]

Trax said:

crankedup said:

The Don of Croy said:

Election resurrection!

Watching the coverage of the Tories manifesto launch, and there's a demo outside (as seen on TV) shouting at anyone who'll listen that not only are 'they' unwelcome in t'north, but they shouldn't be allowed there...

Did any other party manifesto launch 'attract' such a demo?

In fairness it is only to be expected that Labour supporters air thier pov in a traditional Labour voting region. It's like the Tories rubbing the supporters noses into it.

But wasnt the difference between Labour and Conservative someting like 200 votes last time in halifax, so pretty much the same support?

Adding to that, these prats all had either labour, Unite or Socialist Worker banners, funny that, how these locals all came out, and just happened to have these posters to hand.....

Marginal seat it's true, more reason for those political demonstrators take to the streets, for them.
Freedom to demonstrate peacefully and long may that last. I disagree with the demonstrators politics but support thier right to demonstrate. We currently suffer from a opposition to Government, never a good thing.

[Randy Winkman]

durbster said:

The Don of Croy said:

Election resurrection!

Watching the coverage of the Tories manifesto launch, and there's a demo outside (as seen on TV) shouting at anyone who'll listen that not only are 'they' unwelcome in t'north, but they shouldn't be allowed there...

Did any other party manifesto launch 'attract' such a demo?

Have you considered the perspective? Think about the actual impact these policies have on people.

If a set of policies looks likely to destroy the industry that your community depends on, or remove your fundamental working rights, or push you into poverty with no obvious means of escape, or take away a disability lifeline that you or your family member are wholly dependent on, you may justified being upset.

Then consider how badly affected your typical Tory supporter will be by any Labour policy? Nobody's going to go raging through the streets of London risking arrest because they might be forced to postpone their Chamonix skiiing holiday for a few weeks.

Though I tried that earlier up the thread.

[irocfan]

crankedup said:

Trax said:

crankedup said:

The Don of Croy said:

Election resurrection!

Watching the coverage of the Tories manifesto launch, and there's a demo outside (as seen on TV) shouting at anyone who'll listen that not only are 'they' unwelcome in t'north, but they shouldn't be allowed there...

Did any other party manifesto launch 'attract' such a demo?

In fairness it is only to be expected that Labour supporters air thier pov in a traditional Labour voting region. It's like the Tories rubbing the supporters noses into it.

But wasnt the difference between Labour and Conservative someting like 200 votes last time in halifax, so pretty much the same support?

Adding to that, these prats all had either labour, Unite or Socialist Worker banners, funny that, how these locals all came out, and just happened to have these posters to hand.....

Marginal seat it's true, more reason for those political demonstrators take to the streets, for them.
Freedom to demonstrate peacefully and long may that last. I disagree with the demonstrators politics but support thier right to demonstrate. We currently suffer from a opposition to Government, never a good thing.

spot on, it's everyone's right to demonstrate. However it's the way people demonstrate which is the issue....

[Fat Fairy]

MarshPhantom said:

Not quite the same as the murder of Jo Cox.

I'm not sure I understand. The murder of Jo Cox was considered a relevant piece of Conservative electioneering? Or are you being a tad silly bringing a murder by a fruit loop who should spend the rest of his days behind bars into an election) ?

FF

[Fat Fairy]

El stovey said:

And on the rare occasion a labour policy like the foxhunting ban has adversely affected traditional conservatives and their way of life, they've got just as angry. Check out the countryside alliance protest in London,

Checked it out. 400,000 people. 2 arrests (anti-hunt demonstrators). One particular bit of police brutality by a red-headed cop who loved his stick. Seven charges against police officers for misconduct (found innocent upon enquiry) The rest had their say and took their litter home.

Oh, and of course, no squeals from the left about police brutality/right to demonstrate etc 'cos they were all toffs, and deserved it.

(Apologies if I didn't get it all in, I was out of the country, relying on Auntie for home news)

FF

[ellroy]

Fat Fairy said:

Checked it out. 400,000 people. 2 arrests (anti-hunt demonstrators). One particular bit of police brutality by a red-headed cop who loved his stick. Seven charges against police officers for misconduct (found innocent upon enquiry) The rest had their say and took their litter home.

Oh, and of course, no squeals from the left about police brutality/right to demonstrate etc 'cos they were all toffs, and deserved it.

(Apologies if I didn't get it all in, I was out of the country, relying on Auntie for home news)

FF

Spot. On.

[anonymous-user]

Fat Fairy said:

El stovey said:

And on the rare occasion a labour policy like the foxhunting ban has adversely affected traditional conservatives and their way of life, they've got just as angry. Check out the countryside alliance protest in London,

Checked it out. 400,000 people. 2 arrests (anti-hunt demonstrators). One particular bit of police brutality by a red-headed cop who loved his stick. Seven charges against police officers for misconduct (found innocent upon enquiry) The rest had their say and took their litter home.

Oh, and of course, no squeals from the left about police brutality/right to demonstrate etc 'cos they were all toffs, and deserved it.

(Apologies if I didn't get it all in, I was out of the country, relying on Auntie for home news)

FF

Sorry, what's your point?

We were discussing whether labour policies (like the fox hunting ban) would lead to typical conservatives ever protesting.

As someone was commenting about the labour protests regarding conservative policies.

The point is that typical past conservative policies usually affected typical labour voters more adversely than the other way around. In the unlikely event of labour policies actually affecting conservatives voters adversely, they might also protest, as happened with the fox hunting ban.

To suggest it's only leftys that complain about government policies or organise protests is absurd. I'd likely vote conservative. The effect of labour tax rises on me or vat on school fees is much less than the social decay caused by closing down a traditional employer in the midlands or the north east. Past conservative policies in Glasgow or the midlands or Newcastle have been much more damaging to local areas than labour policies were to say Surrey.

The reason you get this anti conservative view in poor areas and don't get an anti labour protest in well off areas isn't just because lefties are spiteful and angry and right wingers are just nicer people.

This is the comment, you unfortunately snipped from my post that I was agreeing with. Which I think at least partly explains the different levels of protest from different sides of the political spectrum.

durbster said:

Have you considered the perspective? Think about the actual impact these policies have on people.

If a set of policies looks likely to destroy the industry that your community depends on, or remove your fundamental working rights, or push you into poverty with no obvious means of escape, or take away a disability lifeline that you or your family member are wholly dependent on, you may justified being upset.

Then consider how badly affected your typical Tory supporter will be by any Labour policy? Nobody's going to go raging through the streets of London risking arrest because they might be forced to postpone their Chamonix skiiing holiday for a few weeks.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 20th May 08:28

[BigMon]

Glad to see there is some common sense in this thread rather than it being a right wing echo chamber.

As has been pointed out, the extreme of either side are loons and you can't tar everyone with 'lefty' views with the same brush (I have sympathies with some views of either side so I guess that makes me a hybrid Tory bd \ lefty snowflake).

[anonymous-user]

BigMon said:

Glad to see there is some common sense in this thread rather than it being a right wing echo chamber.

As has been pointed out, the extreme of either side are loons and you can't tar everyone with 'lefty' views with the same brush (I have sympathies with some views of either side so I guess that makes me a hybrid Tory bd \ lefty snowflake).

If you're looking for labels, you might be a Red Tory or Blue Labour (depending on your views of the role of the state).

Most people probably fit in somewhere in these mixed views like yours, and mine,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39946611

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Tory

[Fat Fairy]

El stovey said:

Fat Fairy said:

El stovey said:

And on the rare occasion a labour policy like the foxhunting ban has adversely affected traditional conservatives and their way of life, they've got just as angry. Check out the countryside alliance protest in London,

Checked it out. 400,000 people. 2 arrests (anti-hunt demonstrators). One particular bit of police brutality by a red-headed cop who loved his stick. Seven charges against police officers for misconduct (found innocent upon enquiry) The rest had their say and took their litter home.

Oh, and of course, no squeals from the left about police brutality/right to demonstrate etc 'cos they were all toffs, and deserved it.

(Apologies if I didn't get it all in, I was out of the country, relying on Auntie for home news)

FF

Sorry, what's your point?

We were discussing whether labour policies (like the fox hunting ban) would lead to typical conservatives ever protesting.

As someone was commenting about the labour protests regarding conservative policies.

The point is that typical past conservative policies usually affected typical labour voters more adversely than the other way around. In the unlikely event of labour policies actually affecting conservatives voters adversely, they might also protest, as happened with the fox hunting ban.

To suggest it's only leftys that complain about government policies or organise protests is absurd. I'd likely vote conservative. The effect of labour tax rises on me or vat on school fees is much less than the social decay caused by closing down a traditional employer in the midlands or the north east. Past conservative policies in Glasgow or the midlands or Newcastle have been much more damaging to local areas than labour policies were to say Surrey.

The reason you get this anti conservative view in poor areas and don't get an anti labour protest in well off areas isn't just because lefties are spiteful and angry and right wingers are just nicer people.

This is the comment, you unfortunately snipped from my post that I was agreeing with. Which I think at least partly explains the different levels of protest from different sides of the political spectrum.

durbster said:

Have you considered the perspective? Think about the actual impact these policies have on people.

If a set of policies looks likely to destroy the industry that your community depends on, or remove your fundamental working rights, or push you into poverty with no obvious means of escape, or take away a disability lifeline that you or your family member are wholly dependent on, you may justified being upset.

Then consider how badly affected your typical Tory supporter will be by any Labour policy? Nobody's going to go raging through the streets of London risking arrest because they might be forced to postpone their Chamonix skiiing holiday for a few weeks.

Edited by El stovey on Saturday 20th May 08:28

I was replying specifically to your point about angry demonstrations and if the 'right' would ever demonstrate. . The CA demo in London was pretty much the best behaved and most polite demo ever.

At no point did I insinuate that 'left wingers' were not nice people and 'right wingers' were.

And specifically on the fox hunting ban, the Blair government pretty much deserved far worse protests than they got by forcing a spiteful, class based law through the system. Blair didn't give a fig for 'traditional employers' there did he? He was too busy 'sticking it to the toffs'.

FF

PS. I don't hunt. Don't ride. Don't own an ancestral manor...... (but young women in jodphurs.....! )

[alock]

El stovey said:

The point is that typical past conservative policies usually affected typical labour voters more adversely than the other way around. In the unlikely event of labour policies actually affecting conservatives voters adversely, they might also protest, as happened with the fox hunting ban.

Every Labour government has left office with higher unemployment than when it started. If Labour policies do not adversely affect Conservative voters as you suggest, the only reasonable conclusion is that Labour governments make large numbers of Labour voters unemployed.

[Henners]

Fat Fairy said:

MarshPhantom said:

Not quite the same as the murder of Jo Cox.

I'm not sure I understand. The murder of Jo Cox was considered a relevant piece of Conservative electioneering? Or are you being a tad silly bringing a murder by a fruit loop who should spend the rest of his days behind bars into an election) ?

FF

Intrigued to see MPs response on this.

[Don]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Why not just say in quiet voice: "Don't interrupt you clueless imbecile." Then just repeat "Clueless Imbecile" every time they open their mouths for the rest of eternity. It's deeply satisfying as they contemplate suicide.

[Mr GrimNasty]

How successfully the left's intolerance demonizes alternative views is displayed by the attitude to the Daily Mail on PH every day.

Even though it is the most popular paper, and not in any way extreme - it does have a political slant obviously, but nothing as fake/blatant as the cesspit of journalism that is the Guardian.

Yet nearly everyone feels compelled by social mores to apologise for posting a link, or to just arbitrary denigrate it whenever it is mentioned.

The idea that the Daily Mail is junk and socially unacceptable has been implanted in the mind of a weak public by the left's intolerance of any alternative view. And the idea that the Guardian is a trusted source too!


A very true/insightful article on anger - which has become the privilege of the left:-

http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/anger-pr...

(Consider the actual content, not the source, I'm well aware some people won't like Daniel Greenfield's blog.)

[Lucas CAV]

Mr GrimNasty said:

How successfully the left's intolerance demonizes alternative views is displayed by the attitude to the Daily Mail on PH every day.

Even though it is the most popular paper, and not in any way extreme - it does have a political slant obviously, but nothing as fake/blatant as the cesspit of journalism that is the Guardian.

Yet nearly everyone feels compelled by social mores to apologise for posting a link, or to just arbitrary denigrate it whenever it is mentioned.

The idea that the Daily Mail is junk and socially unacceptable has been implanted in the mind of a weak public by the left's intolerance of any alternative view. And the idea that the Guardian is a trusted source too!


A very true/insightful article on anger - which has become the privilege of the left:-

http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/anger-pr...

(Consider the actual content, not the source, I'm well aware some people won't like Daniel Greenfield's blog.)

Come off it.
The DM is a comic designed solely to rev up stupid people and to reinforce their prejudices.

It has particularly repellent contributors too.. I.e Richard Littlejohn etc

[wst]

To be fair, the Daily Mail has softened in its stance since the 1930's.

[Don]

Lucas CAV said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

How successfully the left's intolerance demonizes alternative views is displayed by the attitude to the Daily Mail on PH every day.

Even though it is the most popular paper, and not in any way extreme - it does have a political slant obviously, but nothing as fake/blatant as the cesspit of journalism that is the Guardian.

Yet nearly everyone feels compelled by social mores to apologise for posting a link, or to just arbitrary denigrate it whenever it is mentioned.

The idea that the Daily Mail is junk and socially unacceptable has been implanted in the mind of a weak public by the left's intolerance of any alternative view. And the idea that the Guardian is a trusted source too!


A very true/insightful article on anger - which has become the privilege of the left:-

http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/anger-pr...

(Consider the actual content, not the source, I'm well aware some people won't like Daniel Greenfield's blog.)

Come off it.
The DM is a comic designed solely to rev up stupid people and to reinforce their prejudices.

It has particularly repellent contributors too.. I.e Richard Littlejohn etc

I could say the same of the Grauniad and Polly Toynbee. Utterly repellant. Wackjob writing. They can't even give it away these days...

Still. I hope the Groaniad manages to continue as it is what I use when I need to escape the echo-chamber. I always feel a bit sick after, though....

[Lucas CAV]

Please do say the same.
Show me where I have expressed support for other papers.

Don said:

Lucas CAV said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

How successfully the left's intolerance demonizes alternative views is displayed by the attitude to the Daily Mail on PH every day.

Even though it is the most popular paper, and not in any way extreme - it does have a political slant obviously, but nothing as fake/blatant as the cesspit of journalism that is the Guardian.

Yet nearly everyone feels compelled by social mores to apologise for posting a link, or to just arbitrary denigrate it whenever it is mentioned.

The idea that the Daily Mail is junk and socially unacceptable has been implanted in the mind of a weak public by the left's intolerance of any alternative view. And the idea that the Guardian is a trusted source too!


A very true/insightful article on anger - which has become the privilege of the left:-

http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/anger-pr...

(Consider the actual content, not the source, I'm well aware some people won't like Daniel Greenfield's blog.)

Come off it.
The DM is a comic designed solely to rev up stupid people and to reinforce their prejudices.

It has particularly repellent contributors too.. I.e Richard Littlejohn etc

I could say the same of the Grauniad and Polly Toynbee. Utterly repellant. Wackjob writing. They can't even give it away these days...

Still. I hope the Groaniad manages to continue as it is what I use when I need to escape the echo-chamber. I always feel a bit sick after, though....

[BigMon]

Mr GrimNasty said:

How successfully the left's intolerance demonizes alternative views is displayed by the attitude to the Daily Mail on PH every day.

Even though it is the most popular paper, and not in any way extreme - it does have a political slant obviously, but nothing as fake/blatant as the cesspit of journalism that is the Guardian.

Yet nearly everyone feels compelled by social mores to apologise for posting a link, or to just arbitrary denigrate it whenever it is mentioned.

The idea that the Daily Mail is junk and socially unacceptable has been implanted in the mind of a weak public by the left's intolerance of any alternative view. And the idea that the Guardian is a trusted source too!


A very true/insightful article on anger - which has become the privilege of the left:-

http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/anger-pr...

(Consider the actual content, not the source, I'm well aware some people won't like Daniel Greenfield's blog.)

Erm, I think you'll find out that most normal people point out that the Mail is a vile rag filled with bile because, well, it's a vile rag filled with bile.

To put it all down to a lefty conspiracy is laughable.

I suspect you only don't think it's as bad as the Guardian as you share some of it's views.

[Randy Winkman]

I cant even believe Mr Grimnasty believes what he wrote above.

Edited to add that perhaps he should think about the fact that he's talking about comments about the Mail on PH. PH for heck's sake. If PH hates the Daily Mail ........

Edited by Randy Winkman on Sunday 25th June 09:05