Theresa May

[NRS]

DavidJG said:

That bit in bold is a great description of the UK at present. A government that has little or no mandate, other than to 'leave', despite the exact meaning of 'leave' being unclear. A Conservative party that, during conference, expressed views that were taken straight from Nazi Germany / BNP / EDL policies (and is subsequently alienating a lot of its supporters, whilst taking new supporters from UKIP). A Labour party that is incapable of functioning as an effective opposition, and is also driving away its supporters through progressively more extreme Marxist policies.

The UK political system is starting to make many 3rd world countries look sophisticated and well organized.

It's certainly trying to compete with Trump/Clinton in the US in terms of getting even more silly and extreme in debates.

JawKnee said:

sidicks said:

JawKnee said:

Second that. It was the last (and very big) straw for Londoners after years of inept mayoralty.

I think you'll find the 'inept mayoralty' was with the previous incumbent...

I think you'll find most of Johnson's "achievements" were put in motion by Ken Livingstone.

Got to love this (both ways).

Anything that is bad was the fault of the previous lot, whereas anything that goes well was the person in power if you support them. Reverse if your lot are not in power.

[caelite]

sidicks said:

DavidJG said:

That bit in bold is a great description of the UK at present. A government that has little or no mandate, other than to 'leave', despite the exact meaning of 'leave' being unclear. A Conservative party that, during conference, expressed views that were taken straight from Nazi Germany / BNP / EDL policies (and is subsequently alienating a lot of its supporters, whilst taking new supporters from UKIP). A Labour party that is incapable of functioning as an effective opposition, and is also driving away its supporters through progressively more extreme Marxist policies.

The UK political system is starting to make many 3rd world countries look sophisticated and well organized.

Please explain...

1. Her whole stasi-esqe proposals made as home secretary in favour of weaponising police and increased surveillance.

2. Many policies encouraging the open discrimination against various immigrant groups, just replace 'the jew', from the nazis early campaigns with 'eu national' or worse, the dreaded 'muslim', such policies include the 'crackdown' on foreign students, economic sanctions for in work immigrants and some other policies as well as a healthy dose of party doublespeak

3. She has voted in favour of every potential UK conflict since Iraq

I dont claim to be a fan of Cameron but at least his pro-business policies had merit and he was the sheer sterotype of a 'tory' which was always rather amsuing. May is FAR to Orwellian for my liking.

[turbobloke]

caelite said:

sidicks said:

DavidJG said:

That bit in bold is a great description of the UK at present. A government that has little or no mandate, other than to 'leave', despite the exact meaning of 'leave' being unclear. A Conservative party that, during conference, expressed views that were taken straight from Nazi Germany / BNP / EDL policies (and is subsequently alienating a lot of its supporters, whilst taking new supporters from UKIP). A Labour party that is incapable of functioning as an effective opposition, and is also driving away its supporters through progressively more extreme Marxist policies.

The UK political system is starting to make many 3rd world countries look sophisticated and well organized.

Please explain...

1. Her whole stasi-esqe proposals made as home secretary in favour of weaponising police and increased surveillance.

2. Many policies encouraging the open discrimination against various immigrant groups, just replace 'the jew', from the nazis early campaigns with 'eu national' or worse, the dreaded 'muslim', such policies include the 'crackdown' on foreign students, economic sanctions for in work immigrants and some other policies as well as a healthy dose of party doublespeak

3. She has voted in favour of every potential UK conflict since Iraq

I dont claim to be a fan of Cameron but at least his pro-business policies had merit and he was the sheer sterotype of a 'tory' which was always rather amsuing. May is FAR to Orwellian for my liking.

1 and 3 are hardly Godwin territory regardless of the gratuitously exaggerated comparisons, and 2 is your interpretation (encouraging open discrimination) which is baseless. I wasn't a fan of May's predecessor either, I've said as much in many threads e.g. "Cameron - slippery PPE p.r. fluffer with nearly as much snake oil as Blair and a track record of terminological inexactitudes with some policy madness.".

None of that, and none of her statements, place May or her policies anywhere beyond centre-Right.

Demonizing May via Godwin is understandable if not excusable when her popularity rating and the Conservatives' position in the polls are both sky high and any realistic opposition on the horizon is in meltdown. Her objectors are visibly desperate.

[craigjm]

NRS said:

Got to love this (both ways).

Anything that is bad was the fault of the previous lot, whereas anything that goes well was the person in power if you support them. Reverse if your lot are not in power.

I thought that is how government works which is why they start to struggle in the second term because they can't blame the last lot quite so much

[don4l]

DavidJG said:

A government that has little or no mandate, other than to 'leave', despite the exact meaning of 'leave' being unclear.

Why do people struggle to understand what "Leave" means.

It really couldn't be simpler.

Theresa May summed it up thusly:-
"Brexit means Brexit".

"Leave" means that we will cut all ties with the EU.

We will trade with the EU on the same basis as we trade with the USA, or Australia.

It really isn't complicated.

[Kermit power]

don4l said:

"Leave" means that we will cut all ties with the EU.

No it doesn't, and not even the maddest of the mad on the leave camp have ever suggested that's what it means, or that that's what they want.

[NRS]

Kermit power said:

don4l said:

"Leave" means that we will cut all ties with the EU.

No it doesn't, and not even the maddest of the mad on the leave camp have ever suggested that's what it means, or that that's what they want.

No, it clearly means that. He has gone around and asked every single person of the 52% that voted leave as to exactly what they were voting for,

[bobbylondonuk]

Kermit power said:

don4l said:

"Leave" means that we will cut all ties with the EU.

No it doesn't, and not even the maddest of the mad on the leave camp have ever suggested that's what it means, or that that's what they want.

What exactly does 'Do you want to Stay/Leave the EU?' mean?

We voted to Leave. Adios amigos!


Our starting position at the end of Art50+2yrs is WTO rules just like any other non EU country. The negotiation is all about what they want from us and what we get in return as a bonus to our starting position.

We all knew this is what we voted for....you cant turn around and say that half of this country didnt know what they are voting for. the whole establishment was out to scare us stless predicting armageddon and we still voted out...what does that mean? it means fk you...bye bye...we want OUT!

happy to get any bonus based on reciprocal arrangements,but we start as complete non EU country as on Art50+2yrs.

[NRS]

bobbylondonuk said:

Kermit power said:

don4l said:

"Leave" means that we will cut all ties with the EU.

No it doesn't, and not even the maddest of the mad on the leave camp have ever suggested that's what it means, or that that's what they want.

What exactly does 'Do you want to Stay/Leave the EU?' mean?

We voted to Leave. Adios amigos!


Our starting position at the end of Art50+2yrs is WTO rules just like any other non EU country. The negotiation is all about what they want from us and what we get in return as a bonus to our starting position.

We all knew this is what we voted for....you cant turn around and say that half of this country didnt know what they are voting for. the whole establishment was out to scare us stless predicting armageddon and we still voted out...what does that mean? it means fk you...bye bye...we want OUT!

happy to get any bonus based on reciprocal arrangements,but we start as complete non EU country as on Art50+2yrs.

He said "cut all ties with the EU" - that is not the same as what was voted for with that question - that is just do we leave the EU, not cut off all ties. For example there is probably quite a few people that want to keep the tie of financial passporting but want to reduce immigration for example. It may not be possible to get it, but if we could then it is certainly someone voting to cut all ties with the EU despite wanting out.

It's as silly a statement as saying everyone who voted Conservative/ Labour/ UKIP etc at the last election agrees with exactly the party line and has not one different view from it since they voted for that party.

[JawKnee]

Mark Carney tells Theresa May to Foxtrot Oscar.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/14/mark-ca...

[B'stard Child]

JawKnee said:

Mark Carney tells Theresa May to Foxtrot Oscar.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/14/mark-ca...

I'd say he'll be looking for a new job soon

[anonymous-user]

B'stard Child said:

I'd say he'll be looking for a new job soon

Was it any worse before when the BOE was uinder Government Control ?

[craigjm]

B'stard Child said:

JawKnee said:

Mark Carney tells Theresa May to Foxtrot Oscar.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/14/mark-ca...

I'd say he'll be looking for a new job soon

Five years left on his contract would mean a rather large pay off and a precedence set against the independence of the BoE

[turbobloke]

craigjm said:

B'stard Child said:

JawKnee said:

Mark Carney tells Theresa May to Foxtrot Oscar.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/14/mark-ca...

I'd say he'll be looking for a new job soon

Five years left on his contract would mean a rather large pay off and a precedence set against the independence of the BoE

The payoff could be worth it if Carney intends to keep up his current line of rhetoric - as to the independence bit, the article at the link makes it clear that the Bank's independence has limits.

Bernard Jenkin as Head of the Public Administration Select Committee said:

The pursuit of quantitative easing is a matter for the government, which is why Mr Carney wrote to the Chancellor to ask his permission to pursue that policy.

Was Jenkin telling porky pies?

[craigjm]

turbobloke said:

craigjm said:

B'stard Child said:

JawKnee said:

Mark Carney tells Theresa May to Foxtrot Oscar.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/14/mark-ca...

I'd say he'll be looking for a new job soon

Five years left on his contract would mean a rather large pay off and a precedence set against the independence of the BoE

The payoff could be worth it if Carney intends to keep up his current line of rhetoric - as to the independence bit, the article at the link makes it clear that the Bank's independence has limits.

Bernard Jenkin as Head of the Public Administration Select Committee said:

The pursuit of quantitative easing is a matter for the government, which is why Mr Carney wrote to the Chancellor to ask his permission to pursue that policy.

Was Jenkin telling porky pies?

They do have to get permission for QE

I'm not sure Hammond is comfortable in the post. I would not be surprised if he quits

[glazbagun]

B'stard Child said:

JawKnee said:

Mark Carney tells Theresa May to Foxtrot Oscar.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/14/mark-ca...

I'd say he'll be looking for a new job soon

Nah, with an independent BoE they have someone else to blame when things go tits-up. Just like when they made MP's salaries a matter for an independent body and then all moaned that, sadly, they didn't have the power to vote down the pay rise.

[hornetrider]

Poor performance in PMQs today. She stutters a lot, lots of ums and errrs, and even lost her place in her notes resulting in an embarrassing silence and much rustling of papers.

[FN2TypeR]

She's like a stuck record at PMQ these days, boring, repetitive and zero substance.

[greygoose]

hornetrider said:

Poor performance in PMQs today. She stutters a lot, lots of ums and errrs, and even lost her place in her notes resulting in an embarrassing silence and much rustling of papers.

Ponderous today, she doesn't seem able to think quickly on her feet. When she finally found her notes it was a bland reply with little substance. It's all very well being methodical in considering decisions but there needs to be some sparkle in PMQs.

[anonymous-user]

greygoose said:

Ponderous today, she doesn't seem able to think quickly on her feet. When she finally found her notes it was a bland reply with little substance. It's all very well being methodical in considering decisions but there needs to be some sparkle in PMQs.

I thought she was flirting and telling MPs to come up and see her sometime.