Aggression by Russia/uk?

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Red 4

10,744 posts

189 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Biggy Stardust said:
Red 4 said:
Custard ? It appears to show you served in the forces but I'm not sure of the significance to the subject being discussed.

You were quick to rubbish the opinions of serving military personnel earlier because they are members of my family.
Are you feeling OK ?
Actually I was rubbishing your opinions not necessarily theirs.

Significance is that I might have been closer than you to what goes on despite not making strong statements such as yours.

Do you have any credentials to back up your attempt at authority?
You might have been or you might not. The fact that you served in the forces doesn't automatically make you an expert. See my examples of my family members in The Royal Marines and RAF Police.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to prove, I've already said I didn't serve in the military but I do have an interest in military aviation.

What did you do? What do you know ? Nobody is asking you to give out secrets but, as it stands, your screenshot doesn't actually mean much.
All you've added so far is personal attacks. That tells me at least something about you.
It's a common trait of those who are flailing and are struggling to support their opinions.

Biggy Stardust

7,068 posts

46 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Red 4 said:
Stuff
Don't mind me- just carry on explaining how the MoD is wrong & would benefit from your advice.

I'll just stand on the sidelines & watch. smile

Red 4

10,744 posts

189 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Byker28i said:
Red 4 said:
Yes. It's so good that nations are rowing back/ cancelling their orders.

Even the US admit that overall it is a failure. The UK are a bit wishy washy about how many planes we'll eventually buy because it's problem after problem after problem ...
The problems of range (specifically F-35B) and the lack supercruise ability have still not been addressed.
Is the paint still falling off when it goes supersonic (so they don't bother) ?
You say the aircraft meets its requirements. I suggest those requirements have been scaled back.
On another note, why are we getting F-35B for the Royal Air Force ? Why not F-35A ?
Cost on why we are scaling back, our F-35b's are the most expensive of the varients due to it's Vtol capabilities, plus we have reduced requirements based on other developments. As I said, mosaic battlefield, integrating other capabilities. This isn't new, it's been reported since 2017, so you're trying desperately to make a lot out of it.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-reportedly-to-c...

You're two years out of date on the paint coating wink Do try to keep up 007

Supersonic cruising isn't built into the F-35B tactics because of it's planned operations as an integrated weapons platform, as you know being an expert, it's much more than just a weapons delivery system. The supersonic is just for quick emergency bursts and as with all aircraft eats fuel, which is bad for a plane operating with an EWS role, as well as heating up the aircraft and making the stealth obsolete as it becomes detectable...

F35B as you know is the Vtol capable. It makes sense to operate all aircraft of the same type, especially as they will mostly be carrier based.

RAAF have the F35A's which are fully operational

As an expert in the field, I'd have expected you to know all this... but it seems all your research is 2-4 years old.

But enough on this - you've proven you google expertise
Nope. You need to brush up on supercruise. It means you don't need to ignite afterburners to go supersonic and has a variety of advantages over aircraft who do. Fuel saving v speed is one. Are you saying it's OK for the F-35 not to have this ability ? Most designers of new jets see this as very, very important.
That's why they are looking to develop a new engine for the F-35.

Why are you talking about the RAAF ? What does Australia have to do with anything ?

Oh, and the paint/ coating is still an issue. Just another in a very long line of problems.

Earthdweller

13,718 posts

128 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Red 4 said:
Engineer. He maintained, repaired and upgraded fixed wing and helicopters. He sometimes flew in the back seat. He needed to understand the design, manufacturing processes, flaws, capabilities and requirements of the aircraft.
One of my best mates builds the F35 … well part of it that would be useless if the rest of it wasn’t attached to it smile

Really fantastic state of the art facilities

But, I know fk all about what he does other than without the bit he makes it wouldn’t fly

laugh

Byker28i

61,746 posts

219 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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LOL - just which countries have the F-35. It's such a problematic aircraft that the US, UK, Italy, Australia, Israel, The Netherlands, Norway, Japan, Korea all have them operational and there's more countries waiting for them.

Weird that for such a problematic aircraft.

And again, it's not an intercept combat aircraft. You seem to fail at that comprehension.

Red 4

10,744 posts

189 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Biggy Stardust said:
Don't mind me- just carry on explaining how the MoD is wrong & would benefit from your advice.

I'll just stand on the sidelines & watch. smile
MoD procurement is a joke. I could tell you a story about that from somebody who was sent into Iraq in a convertible Land Rover with just a ballistic plate covering his heart whilst other nations were there looking like RoboCop in Armored Personnel Carriers and tanks.

You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.

Byker28i

61,746 posts

219 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Earthdweller said:
Red 4 said:
Engineer. He maintained, repaired and upgraded fixed wing and helicopters. He sometimes flew in the back seat. He needed to understand the design, manufacturing processes, flaws, capabilities and requirements of the aircraft.
One of my best mates builds the F35 … well part of it that would be useless if the rest of it wasn’t attached to it smile

Really fantastic state of the art facilities

But, I know fk all about what he does other than without the bit he makes it wouldn’t fly

:laugh;
Without knowing the rank, that rather reads like the CV of a fitter leaving the air force bigging up his role. As for back seat rides, you get those all the time if you get friendly with the pilots. I learnt that from my next door neighbours labrador that was friendly with a RAF policemans Alsatian that knew everything thats was going on... biggrin

Byker28i

61,746 posts

219 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Red 4 said:
Biggy Stardust said:
Don't mind me- just carry on explaining how the MoD is wrong & would benefit from your advice.

I'll just stand on the sidelines & watch. smile
MoD procurement is a joke. I could tell you a story about that from somebody who was sent into Iraq in a convertible Land Rover with just a ballistic plate covering his heart whilst other nations were there looking like RoboCop in Armored Personnel Carriers and tanks.

You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
Sigh - Gulf war 1 - we went in woefully ill prepared, but that was 20 years ago.... Look at the lessons learnt (i.e. Afghanistan) and the rapid (for the MOD) development of the personnel carriers.

It's not perfect, it never is, but we do have some excellent kit for our armed forces - force multipliers...

Byker28i

61,746 posts

219 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Red 4 said:
You might have been or you might not. The fact that you served in the forces doesn't automatically make you an expert. See my examples of my family members in The Royal Marines and RAF Police.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to prove, I've already said I didn't serve in the military but I do have an interest in military aviation.

What did you do? What do you know ? Nobody is asking you to give out secrets but, as it stands, your screenshot doesn't actually mean much.
All you've added so far is personal attacks. That tells me at least something about you.
It's a common trait of those who are flailing and are struggling to support their opinions.
The only one flailing and failing appears to be you, and you are exposing serious Walt tendancies. No-one involved will be providing details other than those which have been released. The F-35B and it's capabilities are highly classified, for obvious reasons...


Meanwhile' we're way off topic from the russians flexing to test Biden/US/Nato resolve...

Biggy Stardust

7,068 posts

46 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Byker28i said:
Without knowing the rank, that rather reads like the CV of a fitter leaving the air force bigging up his role. As for back seat rides, you get those all the time if you get friendly with the pilots. I learnt that from my next door neighbours labrador that was friendly with a RAF policemans Alsatian that knew everything thats was going on... biggrin
You might misunderstand about the back seat thing- the aircraft in question might have been a hercules.

And warn your neighbour about having a labrador- I hear lots of their owners go blind.

Earthdweller

13,718 posts

128 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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In fairness to Red4 I do know one F35 that would never beat a 30 year old Russian plane in combat

But then again it is made out of fibreglass

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768

13,952 posts

98 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Byker28i said:
Sigh - Gulf war 1 - we went in woefully ill prepared, but that was 20 years ago.... Look at the lessons learnt (i.e. Afghanistan) and the rapid (for the MOD) development of the personnel carriers.

It's not perfect, it never is, but we do have some excellent kit for our armed forces - force multipliers...
Even longer, it's now over 30 years ago that some of my imaginary neighbours flew out.

Red 4

10,744 posts

189 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Byker28i said:
Without knowing the rank, that rather reads like the CV of a fitter leaving the air force bigging up his role. As for back seat rides, you get those all the time if you get friendly with the pilots. I learnt that from my next door neighbours labrador that was friendly with a RAF policemans Alsatian that knew everything thats was going on... biggrin
Lieutenant Commander. Served at every subordinate rank. 35 year career.
Fleet Air Arm, not RAF.
He flew as part of his role or occasionally got a lift to wherever he needed to be.
No Alsatian (we prefer to call them GSDs). Other breeds are also available.

Have you been drinking ? I know its a bit early but accuracy doesn't appear to be your forte.
Not sure where the Labrador comes in. Perhaps lay off the hard stuff.

Biggy Stardust

7,068 posts

46 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Red 4 said:
Have you been drinking ? I know its a bit early but accuracy doesn't appear to be your forte.
Not sure where the Labrador comes in. Perhaps lay off the hard stuff.
However:

Red 4 said:
All you've added so far is personal attacks. That tells me at least something about you.
It's a common trait of those who are flailing and are struggling to support their opinions.

Boom78

1,258 posts

50 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Red 4 said:
Byker28i said:
but tell us more about the F-35...
It's summed up very easily. A hugely expensive Jack of All Trades Master of None.

The B is the worst of the bunch. HTH.
But how do you know this? Have you flown one? What did you fly previously to make this statement? In pretty much Every pilot interview I’ve seen they’re in amazement of how good it it vs their old typhoons, F16, F15s etc. I’d rather the views of professional experienced fighter pilots but you obviously know best.

I just don’t get your knocking of the carriers and the F35B and the total Russian ‘love in’.

Red 4

10,744 posts

189 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Byker28i said:
Red 4 said:
You might have been or you might not. The fact that you served in the forces doesn't automatically make you an expert. See my examples of my family members in The Royal Marines and RAF Police.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to prove, I've already said I didn't serve in the military but I do have an interest in military aviation.

What did you do? What do you know ? Nobody is asking you to give out secrets but, as it stands, your screenshot doesn't actually mean much.
All you've added so far is personal attacks. That tells me at least something about you.
It's a common trait of those who are flailing and are struggling to support their opinions.
The only one flailing and failing appears to be you, and you are exposing serious Walt tendancies. No-one involved will be providing details other than those which have been released. The F-35B and it's capabilities are highly classified, for obvious reasons...


Meanwhile' we're way off topic from the russians flexing to test Biden/US/Nato resolve...
biggrin I'm not the one posting an image of something or other which shows that I may or may not have served in the forces in the hope that it will earn me some internet kudos points.
I'm not sure if you ununderstand what a Walt is, but I've never purported to be something I'm not on these forums. I have no need to.

I see where you're going though - the F-35 is superdooper and blows everything else out of the water (or sky) - but if I were to tell you about it, I'd have to kill you. Just by looking at you.

You should join Biggy in the Walt hall of fame. Peas in a pod. The irony is that you can't see it. Perhaps your eyes are a little strained. That's what happens when you sleep with one eye open.

Byker28i

61,746 posts

219 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Biggy Stardust said:
Byker28i said:
Without knowing the rank, that rather reads like the CV of a fitter leaving the air force bigging up his role. As for back seat rides, you get those all the time if you get friendly with the pilots. I learnt that from my next door neighbours labrador that was friendly with a RAF policemans Alsatian that knew everything thats was going on... biggrin
You might misunderstand about the back seat thing- the aircraft in question might have been a hercules.

And warn your neighbour about having a labrador- I hear lots of their owners go blind.
If it was in the back of a fat albert, there wouldn't be conversation going on, same as in the back of an A400 (when they work)

Byker28i

61,746 posts

219 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Red 4 said:
biggrin I'm not the one posting an image of something or other which shows that I may or may not have served in the forces in the hope that it will earn me some internet kudos points.
I'm not sure if you ununderstand what a Walt is, but I've never purported to be something I'm not on these forums. I have no need to.

I see where you're going though - the F-35 is superdooper and blows everything else out of the water (or sky) - but if I were to tell you about it, I'd have to kill you. Just by looking at you.

You should join Biggy in the Walt hall of fame. Peas in a pod. The irony is that you can't see it. Perhaps your eyes are a little strained. That's what happens when you sleep with one eye open.
I'll stick to the opinions of the pilots on the QE and PoW thanks, rather than an internet walt. They tell me it's brilliant having converted from previous types... Some of us do have direct experience of the plane...

Biggy Stardust

7,068 posts

46 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Red 4 said:
biggrin I'm not the one posting an image of something or other which shows that I may or may not have served in the forces in the hope that it will earn me some internet kudos points.
It was in response to a direct request from yourself, but whatever.

Evanivitch

20,708 posts

124 months

Wednesday 30th June 2021
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Red 4 said:
MoD procurement is a joke. I could tell you a story about that from somebody who was sent into Iraq in a convertible Land Rover with just a ballistic plate covering his heart whilst other nations were there looking like RoboCop in Armored Personnel Carriers and tanks.

You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
Please, tell us more second hand dits, they're thrillers laugh

You got anything with an SLR in it?