Oscar Pistorius shoots girlfriend

Oscar Pistorius shoots girlfriend

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Alfa numeric

3,059 posts

185 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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Some South African woman from a talk radio station was interviewed in the BBC this morning and mentioned that he'd split up with his girlfriend in December. Maybe he wasn't expecting anyone to come round?

It's a terrible event no matter what the circumstances, I can't begin to comprehend how he's feeling right now.

harry010

4,423 posts

193 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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Sky news saying he's been charged with murder.

Cripes - one place I wouldn't want to go to jail is South Africa.

Pints

18,445 posts

200 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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Article said:
Bladerunner Oscar Pistorius walked out of Boschkop police station in Pretoria with a jacket over his head ... was bundled into a car that sped off...sat between two people in the back seat of a white unmarked VW Polo.
And these, friends, are the facts. smile

dandarez

13,420 posts

289 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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He's not just 'anyone' in SA, or the world for that matter.
Look at pics of the complex where he lived, it has security everywhere as you'd expect.

Silver Woods complex is a high-security, gated complex with 'electrified' walls, a guarded entrance and regular patrols.

This was the response from a local:
'I am from South Africa and where Oscar lives in Silver Lakes, there is no one that can get into these gated communities except the Security Guards and visitors.
Visitors are not allowed to just enter the premises. If Reeva was visiting at that time, Oscar would have been phoned from the Security gate to say he had a guest, unless of course she had her own electronic card.
Why the need for a gun in a Security Complex?
Sorry to say I don't buy this story about a so called 'burglar'.'

robmlufc

5,229 posts

192 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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Awkward

frobisher

76 posts

160 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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dandarez said:
He's not just 'anyone' in SA, or the world for that matter.
Look at pics of the complex where he lived, it has security everywhere as you'd expect.

Silver Woods complex is a high-security, gated complex with 'electrified' walls, a guarded entrance and regular patrols.

This was the response from a local:
'I am from South Africa and where Oscar lives in Silver Lakes, there is no one that can get into these gated communities except the Security Guards and visitors.
Visitors are not allowed to just enter the premises. If Reeva was visiting at that time, Oscar would have been phoned from the Security gate to say he had a guest, unless of course she had her own electronic card.
Why the need for a gun in a Security Complex?
Sorry to say I don't buy this story about a so called 'burglar'.'
Apparently it's not unknown for the guards themselves in similar complexes to be in on burglary/assault jobs. Therefore the residents tend to "tool up" just in case the guards turn against them.

Mikeyplum

1,646 posts

175 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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They must have pretty damning evidence to charge him so soon.

Unless there were eye witnesses, could he not just say what he wanted? With no one to argue otherwise.

For example:

"I heard someone enter and shouted who was there. There was no response so In fear of my life I reached for my gun. I shouted to warn the suspected intruder that I was armed. Again, there was no response so I removed the safety from my weapon. I warned the intruder that I was prepared to shoot. There was no response so I shot in fear of my life"

There would be no one suggest any different...

robmlufc

5,229 posts

192 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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Sky News saying there was witnesses and previous disturbances.

ViperPict

10,087 posts

243 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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Mikeyplum said:
They must have pretty damning evidence to charge him so soon.

Unless there were eye witnesses, could he not just say what he wanted? With no one to argue otherwise.

For example:

"I heard someone enter and shouted who was there. There was no response so In fear of my life I reached for my gun. I shouted to warn the suspected intruder that I was armed. Again, there was no response so I removed the safety from my weapon. I warned the intruder that I was prepared to shoot. There was no response so I shot in fear of my life"

There would be no one suggest any different...
Is it not a formality to charge someone with murder when you have the suspect, the body and the weapon? If you charge them with a lesser crime and further damning evidence comes to light then you're letting the prepetrator off the hook to some extent.

Mikeyplum

1,646 posts

175 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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ViperPict said:
Mikeyplum said:
They must have pretty damning evidence to charge him so soon.

Unless there were eye witnesses, could he not just say what he wanted? With no one to argue otherwise.

For example:

"I heard someone enter and shouted who was there. There was no response so In fear of my life I reached for my gun. I shouted to warn the suspected intruder that I was armed. Again, there was no response so I removed the safety from my weapon. I warned the intruder that I was prepared to shoot. There was no response so I shot in fear of my life"

There would be no one suggest any different...
Is it not a formality to charge someone with murder when you have the suspect, the body and the weapon? If you charge them with a lesser crime and further damning evidence comes to light then you're letting the prepetrator off the hook to some extent.
I thought they would arrest him on suspicion of murder and only charge him when they have the evidence needed.

I may be wrong though that was my understanding...

Blue62

9,356 posts

158 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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An appropriate ode for Valentine's Day: ''Roses are red, violets are glorious, don't even startle Oscar Pretorius.''

g3org3y

20,962 posts

197 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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robmlufc said:


Awkward
I must admit, genuine LOL at this.

But seriously, terrible situation. frown

Pints

18,445 posts

200 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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Police will oppose bail when Oscar appears in court later.

Link

Although, as usual, the SA Police don't seem to know their arse from their elbow.

Tallbutbuxomly

12,254 posts

222 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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Piersman2 said:
Yep, just to make sure.

More serioulsy though, I suspect this will not go well for him.

Pistols, not matter how well trained, have been proven to be incredibly inaccurate in the heat of the moment, very difficult to hit a moving target even from just a few feet away apparently.

So you think someone is breaking into your house, you wait in the dark, with the fear rushing through you, and fire at the person. The chances of actually hitting them in the head, remote. Maybe in the arm yes as you're aiming for the body.

So he shoots the intruder, hits them in the arm, they scream and go down and then he wanders over and pops one in the head.

No way he's doing that in the dark or without recognising his GF.

All very strange, condolensces to her and her family.

I suspect a 'domestic' myself. Time will tell, maybe.
That is pretty much my take and concern on this.

Somehow in a very secure complex he thought someone could have broken in. Not unheard of so slight leeway.

But then it all falls apart. He supposedly shot her 4 times 2 in arm 1 in had and 1 elsewhere. A normal person shooting in daylight with a pistol would struggle to hit someone 4 times yet he did so and Assumingly in the dark.

Don't buy it entirely. Also unless the headsht was first and very unlucky surely she would have cried out?

And finally. Reeva was a smart girl very smart in fact. She knew he had guns and I cannot see her doing anything to surprise him at 4am in the morning knowing that.

simoid

19,772 posts

164 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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Tallbutbuxomly said:
That is pretty much my take and concern on this.

Somehow in a very secure complex he thought someone could have broken in. Not unheard of so slight leeway.

But then it all falls apart. He supposedly shot her 4 times 2 in arm 1 in had and 1 elsewhere. A normal person shooting in daylight with a pistol would struggle to hit someone 4 times yet he did so and Assumingly in the dark.

Don't buy it entirely. Also unless the headsht was first and very unlucky surely she would have cried out?

And finally. Reeva was a smart girl very smart in fact. She knew he had guns and I cannot see her doing anything to surprise him at 4am in the morning knowing that.
She was hit a couple of times, do we know how many times he missed?

ajprice

29,118 posts

202 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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http://news.sky.com/story/1051959/oscar-pistorius-...

"The deceased was shot four times and died on the scene. It is believed that she was the girlfriend of the accused," said police spokeswoman Lieutenant Colonel Katlego Mogale.


simoid

19,772 posts

164 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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Intruder or no intruder?

bbc said:
Police added that there had been previous incidents at the address and described them as "allegations of a domestic nature".

"The SA Police Service were just as surprised this morning to hear on the radio that allegations had been made that the deceased had been perceived to be a burglar," police spokesperson Denise Beuke said, adding that they were not the source of those allegations.

Engineer1

10,486 posts

215 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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The danger is we are drawing bulls eyes round the hits, it may be hard to hit the head if you are aiming at it but who says he wasn't firing blind and ended up hitting what he hit by chance.

allnighter

6,663 posts

228 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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simoid said:
Intruder or no intruder?

bbc said:
Police added that there had been previous incidents at the address and described them as "allegations of a domestic nature".

"The SA Police Service were just as surprised this morning to hear on the radio that allegations had been made that the deceased had been perceived to be a burglar," police spokesperson Denise Beuke said, adding that they were not the source of those allegations.
Show me a couple who don't argue?

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

259 months

Thursday 14th February 2013
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This is a guess based on what little I've seen of Oscar Pistorius:

He's a narcissist and psychopath.