Vince Cable - discuss
Discussion
jsf said:
oyster said:
Be careful before you dismiss Vince Cable as a fool. There's a huge undercurrent of anti-Brexit out there, and it's a strong current. The Tories lost their majority because of it.
I am always shocked at the amount of letters to the Standard etc claiming to want to stop Brexit (not just soften it, but stop it all together). If Vince Cable is right about that generational split, then some of the Leave voters have probably already died off and their voting space is now being filled by pro-EU youngsters.
If that were true the Lib Dems would have done better in the last election. Both Labour and Conservatives were promising to carry out the referendum result and those two parties wiped the floor with the Lib Dems.I am always shocked at the amount of letters to the Standard etc claiming to want to stop Brexit (not just soften it, but stop it all together). If Vince Cable is right about that generational split, then some of the Leave voters have probably already died off and their voting space is now being filled by pro-EU youngsters.
don'tbesilly said:
Vitriolic hyperbole from someone who didn't like the result of the referendum, you and Cable have much in common.
Cable is as much as an irrelevance as Farron was (arguably more so), the hysterics won't get him anywhere, apart from ridicule, water off a ducks back to 'Dr Doom' who has always been a nobody, so well used to it.
What did he say yesterday that isn't accurate? I'm proud to share his analysis, so water off a ducks back indeed.Cable is as much as an irrelevance as Farron was (arguably more so), the hysterics won't get him anywhere, apart from ridicule, water off a ducks back to 'Dr Doom' who has always been a nobody, so well used to it.
The vitriol seems to be yours, not his.
Eddie Strohacker said:
don'tbesilly said:
Vitriolic hyperbole from someone who didn't like the result of the referendum, you and Cable have much in common.
Cable is as much as an irrelevance as Farron was (arguably more so), the hysterics won't get him anywhere, apart from ridicule, water off a ducks back to 'Dr Doom' who has always been a nobody, so well used to it.
What did he say yesterday that isn't accurate? I'm proud to share his analysis, so water off a ducks back indeed.Cable is as much as an irrelevance as Farron was (arguably more so), the hysterics won't get him anywhere, apart from ridicule, water off a ducks back to 'Dr Doom' who has always been a nobody, so well used to it.
The vitriol seems to be yours, not his.
Eddie Strohacker said:
The most selfish element of the most selfish generation, a bunch of I'm alright Jacks who ate their own young.
The least affected. The retired, the home owners, the triple locked pensioners who threw the following generations on the fire for their own folly, whospent twenty years swallowing the bile of Mail & the Telegraph hook line & sinker. What a f
king con.
You come across as bitter, jealous and angry, the 'alright jacks' would have been alright as long as they voted in line with your thoughts and preference. The least affected. The retired, the home owners, the triple locked pensioners who threw the following generations on the fire for their own folly, whospent twenty years swallowing the bile of Mail & the Telegraph hook line & sinker. What a f
king con.You're like a petulant child, one who doesn't get what they want, throws a hissyfit whilst spewing out words that most and in time come to regret, you no doubt would be an exception.
There was no age limit on those who voted, there was no margin imposed between Leave and Remain, and unfortunately for you and despite what you would have wanted there was no condition that should you vote in the Referendum you must vote Remain.
You like a leaflet,use one for your analysis, publish it on Facebook where you and your bitter, twisted and hate filled rhetoric would fit in well.
Cable was a no body before and with this type of approach just like Farron and Clegg before him, will become just a name in a list of former Lib-Dem leaders that achieved next to nothing.
jsf said:
If that were true the Lib Dems would have done better in the last election. Both Labour and Conservatives were promising to carry out the referendum result and those two parties wiped the floor with the Lib Dems.
Ahh, but in his Mail on Sunday article Vince pointed out how the young were mislead by that dastardly Mr Corbyn who conned them into believing that Labour was pro EU and so they all voted Labour. Not the fault of youth, they were just conned by a wily old man who has been anti-EU for most of his political life and hadn't changed at the 2017 election. Or perhaps we just come to the conclusion that they aren't as bothered about the EU as Sir Vince would like to think. It's quite funny really. He writes that the older generation have "shafted the young" and yet here we have a 74yr old politician who was a cabinet member when his party backtracked on pledges to students. Well, at least he knows all about shafting then......
don'tbesilly said:
The vitriol was all yours Eddie!
Oh but I beg to differ.don'tbesilly said:
Cable is as much as an irrelevance as Farron was (arguably more so), the hysterics won't get him anywhere, apart from ridicule, water off a ducks back to 'Dr Doom' who has always been a nobody, so well used to it.
Overlooking your entirely predictable slur on my character, I ask again, what did Cable say that isn't borne out by what we know? Please answer the question my Brexit martyr.dbdb said:
oyster said:
Be careful before you dismiss Vince Cable as a fool. There's a huge undercurrent of anti-Brexit out there, and it's a strong current. The Tories lost their majority because of it.
I am always shocked at the amount of letters to the Standard etc claiming to want to stop Brexit (not just soften it, but stop it all together). If Vince Cable is right about that generational split, then some of the Leave voters have probably already died off and their voting space is now being filled by pro-EU youngsters.
This ^^I am always shocked at the amount of letters to the Standard etc claiming to want to stop Brexit (not just soften it, but stop it all together). If Vince Cable is right about that generational split, then some of the Leave voters have probably already died off and their voting space is now being filled by pro-EU youngsters.
PH seems blind to it.
The anti Brexit parties made no head way, with a surprisingly bad performance by the Lib Dems all things considered.
Vince is still playing the Brexit card thinking its going to gain him a sudden leap in support. But then since the Armageddon/Brexit is everything predictors like Eddie and ///ajd didn't even vote LibDem to try and force the Brexit issue, rather slyly voting to endorse Brexit by voting Tory, I think he's going to make the same mistake. Besides which, Corbyn has already won the young vote anyway.
It's great to see the denigrating of peoples vote based on their age and openly trying to make the case their vote is worth less from the sad and bitter end of the Remain side.
It's great to see the denigrating of peoples vote based on their age and openly trying to make the case their vote is worth less from the sad and bitter end of the Remain side.
Sylvaforever said:
jsf said:
oyster said:
Be careful before you dismiss Vince Cable as a fool. There's a huge undercurrent of anti-Brexit out there, and it's a strong current. The Tories lost their majority because of it.
I am always shocked at the amount of letters to the Standard etc claiming to want to stop Brexit (not just soften it, but stop it all together). If Vince Cable is right about that generational split, then some of the Leave voters have probably already died off and their voting space is now being filled by pro-EU youngsters.
If that were true the Lib Dems would have done better in the last election. Both Labour and Conservatives were promising to carry out the referendum result and those two parties wiped the floor with the Lib Dems.I am always shocked at the amount of letters to the Standard etc claiming to want to stop Brexit (not just soften it, but stop it all together). If Vince Cable is right about that generational split, then some of the Leave voters have probably already died off and their voting space is now being filled by pro-EU youngsters.
There's no way you go from being 20-odd points ahead to virtually neck and neck because of a couple of 'titbits' as you put it. It was much more fundamental than that. Have a look at the British Election Survey info recently revealed - huge swathes of remainers moving to Labour from other parties.
Labour may have promised to carry out the election result, but it appears lots of people didn't believe them.
I think it's wrong to go back on the referendum result, but I think the odds of Brexit not happening are shortening by the day.
Eddie Strohacker said:
don'tbesilly said:
The vitriol was all yours Eddie!
Oh but I beg to differ.don'tbesilly said:
Cable is as much as an irrelevance as Farron was (arguably more so), the hysterics won't get him anywhere, apart from ridicule, water off a ducks back to 'Dr Doom' who has always been a nobody, so well used to it.
Overlooking your entirely predictable slur on my character, I ask again, what did Cable say that isn't borne out by what we know? Please answer the question my Brexit martyr.As for Cable, I covered most of it without the vitriol displayed so magnificently by you.
The pensioners Cable condemns had as much right to vote as you and I did, the fact that they didn't vote along with the way he and you would prefer is an irrelevance, as is the poll used by Cable to make a disrespectful point.
Many of the pensioners he slates don't enjoy the comforts he bangs on about, and if they voted Leave so be it, with the experience of living in the EU that clearly they wanted to end, it was their democratic right for them to vote in the way they did.
Writing them off in the way he has has when many have years left ahead of them is disgraceful.
Many of those he condemns are younger than he is,his pontification is aimed at the younger sections of society, the same section of society who the Lib-Dems shafted not so long ago.
If he carries on, the policies he employs (attacking the same demographic he sits in) will cover a cradle to grave shafting, perhaps the Lib - Dems would do better if they just published the book 'How to win friends & influence people' as their manifesto, it would put them in a better position than they are now.
It doesn't come as a great surprise that you're a fan of Cable, he's just carried on where Farron and Clegg left off.
When the choice of potential leaders is in single numbers, pulling the short straw is always a far greater risk, as Cable found out
don'tbesilly said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
don'tbesilly said:
The vitriol was all yours Eddie!
Oh but I beg to differ.don'tbesilly said:
Cable is as much as an irrelevance as Farron was (arguably more so), the hysterics won't get him anywhere, apart from ridicule, water off a ducks back to 'Dr Doom' who has always been a nobody, so well used to it.
Overlooking your entirely predictable slur on my character, I ask again, what did Cable say that isn't borne out by what we know? Please answer the question my Brexit martyr.As for Cable, I covered most of it without the vitriol displayed so magnificently by you.
The pensioners Cable condemns had as much right to vote as you and I did, the fact that they didn't vote along with the way he and you would prefer is an irrelevance, as is the poll used by Cable to make a disrespectful point.
Many of the pensioners he slates don't enjoy the comforts he bangs on about, and if they voted Leave so be it, with the experience of living in the EU that clearly they wanted to end, it was their democratic right for them to vote in the way they did.
Writing them off in the way he has has when many have years left ahead of them is disgraceful.
Many of those he condemns are younger than he is,his pontification is aimed at the younger sections of society, the same section of society who the Lib-Dems shafted not so long ago.
If he carries on, the policies he employs (attacking the same demographic he sits in) will cover a cradle to grave shafting, perhaps the Lib - Dems would do better if they just published the book 'How to win friends & influence people' as their manifesto, it would put them in a better position than they are now.
It doesn't come as a great surprise that you're a fan of Cable, he's just carried on where Farron and Clegg left off.
When the choice of potential leaders is in single numbers, pulling the short straw is always a far greater risk, as Cable found out
So in summary, Cable's observations are factually accurate, thanks for the clarification. Brexit was foisted on the young by the old. Also, the less educated, which we also know, but that inconvenient truth is catnip round here, so let's not dwell on that.
In passing, I note you can't resist ascribing a negative characteristic to me - to wit: Hate. I hate no one, not even someone who continually attempts to casually & erroneously denigrate my character, like you. Hug?
oyster said:
No chance.
There's no way you go from being 20-odd points ahead to virtually neck and neck because of a couple of 'titbits' as you put it. It was much more fundamental than that. Have a look at the British Election Survey info recently revealed - huge swathes of remainers moving to Labour from other parties.
Labour may have promised to carry out the election result, but it appears lots of people didn't believe them.
I think it's wrong to go back on the referendum result, but I think the odds of Brexit not happening are shortening by the day.
The Tories didn't win outright due to 2 bad policies in their manifesto, the scrapping of the triple lock and pensioners paying more for their cars in old age.There's no way you go from being 20-odd points ahead to virtually neck and neck because of a couple of 'titbits' as you put it. It was much more fundamental than that. Have a look at the British Election Survey info recently revealed - huge swathes of remainers moving to Labour from other parties.
Labour may have promised to carry out the election result, but it appears lots of people didn't believe them.
I think it's wrong to go back on the referendum result, but I think the odds of Brexit not happening are shortening by the day.
don'tbesilly said:
Many of the pensioners he slates don't enjoy the comforts he bangs on about,
On reflection, let's examine this claim more closely. In the article, in the Mail on Sunday (head banger for PHers I know) Cable says:Cable said:
The martyrdom of the old comes cheap, since few have jobs to lose. And even if the country were to become poorer, their living standards are largely protected by the 'triple lock' on the state pension and many can rely on occupational, final salary, pensions which are closed to younger people. When I joined the Coalition Cabinet in 2010, we took pride in the 'triple lock' to banish the scourge of pensioner poverty. But one of its unintended consequences has been a growing rift between generations.
Pensioners have suffered relatively little from the aftermath of the financial crisis – unless they were slow to shift savings from banks to shares or property
Yet you say 'Many' don't enjoy those privileges. What is 'Many'? How are you quantifying this? And how do you reasonably weight it to sway the argument one way or the other? Why should I believe a word you say? Where is your cogent, reasoned, sourced argument to support this?Pensioners have suffered relatively little from the aftermath of the financial crisis – unless they were slow to shift savings from banks to shares or property
Eddie Strohacker said:
Where is your cogent, reasoned, sourced argument to support this?
Its fun to see you write this, especially since you are reluctant to to the same when asked, even more so when you've been caught out trying to blag your way on subjects you have no knowledge off, as per your run in with Andy. You got more front than Brighton. Eddie Strohacker said:
Murph7355 said:
PS I wonder if this will make the young forgive the betrayal they felt at the hands of the LibDems (justified or not) 7yrs ago...
Nick Clegg is not Vince Cable, Murph. I can send an explanatory leaflet if you like.
You weren't canvassing for the LibDems were you?One team, one dream though Eddie.
oyster said:
No chance.
There's no way you go from being 20-odd points ahead to virtually neck and neck because of a couple of 'titbits' as you put it. It was much more fundamental than that. Have a look at the British Election Survey info recently revealed - huge swathes of remainers moving to Labour from other parties.
Labour may have promised to carry out the election result, but it appears lots of people didn't believe them.
I think it's wrong to go back on the referendum result, but I think the odds of Brexit not happening are shortening by the day.
You've just taken the "2+2=5" prize from ///ajd. Congratulations There's no way you go from being 20-odd points ahead to virtually neck and neck because of a couple of 'titbits' as you put it. It was much more fundamental than that. Have a look at the British Election Survey info recently revealed - huge swathes of remainers moving to Labour from other parties.
Labour may have promised to carry out the election result, but it appears lots of people didn't believe them.
I think it's wrong to go back on the referendum result, but I think the odds of Brexit not happening are shortening by the day.
Over 90% of the vote went to parties committing to exiting the EU. Believing that people didn't think one of those major parties really meant it is an interesting viewpoint on our voting system and the electorate's intent
It may explain why polls have been so shonky though.The LibDems took more seats but less of the vote (a major issue in our system, irrespective of who benefits/loses out). They were the only half credible party that had staying in the EU as a mainstay of their manifesto. If there had been any major will to move on that, they would have gained more.
Eddie Strohacker said:
alfie2244 said:
princealbert23 said:
alfie2244 said:
Stupid old man..........is that how you do it jj?
He is using his Strohacker login for this subject. 
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