The Tories aren’t working
Discussion
Gameface said:
amusingduck said:
BadBull said:
Esceptico said:
The council estate where my mother lives looks awful. They have obviously cut back on maintenance and repairs, the grass isn’t being cut, the paths are falling apart with weeds growing through them. Dreadful. She has been there for 35 years and it has never looked worse.
Perhaps you should look after her better rather than f
king off to NZ and then blaming politicians.
35 years she's been on a council estate apparently while he emigrates.
But lets blame the Tories rather than take any familial responsibility
No f
king way I'd let that happen to my old dear.Hereward said:
Wow, the lefties have been triggered this morning. If you don’t like it here then fk off to the Marxist utopia of your choice elsewhere on the planet where everything is totally perfect.
5 weeks on from the General Election and I still wake up smiling every day
Not triggered, but not living in a bubble where I think that the tory party are a good thing either. Yes there was no real opposition, but in my opinion that doesn't automatically make the tories good5 weeks on from the General Election and I still wake up smiling every day
RTB said:
I feel very sorry for anyone who goes through life having their level of happiness dictated by who is living in No. 10 Downing Street.
We're responsible for our own happiness and well being, not the government. If you feel strongly that your country is somehow a worse place then it was, then rather than pointing at a bunch of suits in Whitehall, go and actively make your little bit of the country better. Society's a group effort. People seem to think by employing politicians we've somehow outsourced our responsibilities as members of a community.
It’s an easy way to live though My life is sWe're responsible for our own happiness and well being, not the government. If you feel strongly that your country is somehow a worse place then it was, then rather than pointing at a bunch of suits in Whitehall, go and actively make your little bit of the country better. Society's a group effort. People seem to think by employing politicians we've somehow outsourced our responsibilities as members of a community.
t, lets blame someone else, not work harder to improve itMothersruin said:
Gameface said:
amusingduck said:
BadBull said:
Esceptico said:
The council estate where my mother lives looks awful. They have obviously cut back on maintenance and repairs, the grass isn’t being cut, the paths are falling apart with weeds growing through them. Dreadful. She has been there for 35 years and it has never looked worse.
Perhaps you should look after her better rather than fking off to NZ and then blaming politicians.35 years she's been on a council estate apparently while he emigrates.
But lets blame the Tories rather than take any familial responsibility
No f
king way I'd let that happen to my old dear.hucumber said:
lampchair said:
It’s an easy way to live though My life is st, lets blame someone else, not work harder to improve it
Its also easy to say lets blame everyone except the people whos actual job it is to make things workt, lets blame someone else, not work harder to improve itI know how blaming others could make people feel better though.
Gameface said:
Mothersruin said:
Gameface said:
amusingduck said:
BadBull said:
Esceptico said:
The council estate where my mother lives looks awful. They have obviously cut back on maintenance and repairs, the grass isn’t being cut, the paths are falling apart with weeds growing through them. Dreadful. She has been there for 35 years and it has never looked worse.
Perhaps you should look after her better rather than fking off to NZ and then blaming politicians.35 years she's been on a council estate apparently while he emigrates.
But lets blame the Tories rather than take any familial responsibility
No f
king way I'd let that happen to my old dear.lampchair said:
Buck stops with me for my life choices and quality... no one else.
I know how blaming others could make people feel better though.
But we aren't discussing you, we are talking about an entire country. My quality of life is fine, it doesnt mean i couldnt give a toss about anyone else.I know how blaming others could make people feel better though.
hucumber said:
lampchair said:
Buck stops with me for my life choices and quality... no one else.
I know how blaming others could make people feel better though.
But we aren't discussing you, we are talking about an entire country. My quality of life is fine, it doesnt mean i couldnt give a toss about anyone else.I know how blaming others could make people feel better though.
I thought houses were being left to burn?
lampchair said:
No you’re complaining about a fire service with no factual basis...
I thought houses were being left to burn?
No factual basis other than the fact that i work for the fire service? I was out all night xmas eve dealing with dead people and fires, and earnt less than I would get from a days labouring. Do you think thats right, or fair? Do you think thats a sign of things working as they should?I thought houses were being left to burn?
We have been visited by our cheif and told about all the cuts we are facing, and how our jobs are going to become harder, is that a sign of everything working as it should? Obviously you know more about it than I do, so why don't you enlighten me on how rosey everything is, and where you are getting your facts from
And Im not sure what you mean about houses being left to burn, again if you could provide your source for this I would like to see it
hucumber said:
lampchair said:
No you’re complaining about a fire service with no factual basis...
I thought houses were being left to burn?
No factual basis other than the fact that i work for the fire service? I was out all night xmas eve dealing with dead people and fires, and earnt less than I would get from a days labouring. Do you think thats right, or fair? Do you think thats a sign of things working as they should?I thought houses were being left to burn?
We have been visited by our cheif and told about all the cuts we are facing, and how our jobs are going to become harder, is that a sign of everything working as it should? Obviously you know more about it than I do, so why don't you enlighten me on how rosey everything is, and where you are getting your facts from
And Im not sure what you mean about houses being left to burn, again if you could provide your source for this I would like to see it
hucumber said:
if your house is burning down are you really going to be satisfied if there are no pumps nearby to come to you due to cuts? I very much doubt it
Also, all I have asked for is factual details of how it is worse, what specifically is worse... Facts rather than biased opinion. ETA: sounds like you just want more cash...
Things aren't really that bad in my opinion.
You can frame numbers to support whichever rhetoric is your preference, but what's life like here compared to other parts of the world? Pretty good.
Big ships turn slowly and frankly I don't envy anyone that works in politics. It's a thankless job and there will always be people who disagree with your decisions.
My Mrs works in the NHS and her pay rise the last 3 years has been triple my private sector increase. Her department is actually over staffed and she struggles to get extra shifts that ensure she does enough hours. Red tape and OTT middle management prevail, but the health service remains incredible.
Rather than moaning, why don't you take action and do something to help the causes you care about OP? Every little helps.
Bothered by uncut grass? Go and cut it.
Worried about the environment? Go litter picking.
Concerned about homelessness? Volunteer at your local shelter.
The UK has a system that works, but it's complexity and the highly variable attitudes/motivations of individual citizens means nothing is ever perfect.
You should probably seek places other than Twitter for political opinion. Most people are going about their every day lives worrying about what time to leave to collect their kids from school.
You can frame numbers to support whichever rhetoric is your preference, but what's life like here compared to other parts of the world? Pretty good.
Big ships turn slowly and frankly I don't envy anyone that works in politics. It's a thankless job and there will always be people who disagree with your decisions.
My Mrs works in the NHS and her pay rise the last 3 years has been triple my private sector increase. Her department is actually over staffed and she struggles to get extra shifts that ensure she does enough hours. Red tape and OTT middle management prevail, but the health service remains incredible.
Rather than moaning, why don't you take action and do something to help the causes you care about OP? Every little helps.
Bothered by uncut grass? Go and cut it.
Worried about the environment? Go litter picking.
Concerned about homelessness? Volunteer at your local shelter.
The UK has a system that works, but it's complexity and the highly variable attitudes/motivations of individual citizens means nothing is ever perfect.
You should probably seek places other than Twitter for political opinion. Most people are going about their every day lives worrying about what time to leave to collect their kids from school.
Esceptico said:
Another Tory government and yet more posturing over the civil service and how it needs to be reformed. That has been the mantra since at least 1979 when Thatcher got into power (so 41 years ago). In that 41 years the Tories have been in power except for the interlude of Tory Lite New Labour...yet they still haven’t cracked it. How many more decades do they need? Or are they part of the problem, rather than the solution?
Maybe they should double Civil Service spending like Tony Blair did? lampchair said:
Also, all I have asked for is factual details of how it is worse, what specifically is worse... Facts rather than biased opinion.
ETA: sounds like you just want more cash...
A reasonable wage would be nice, yes. ETA: sounds like you just want more cash...
Is it unreasonable to expect that public services get paid properly?
I don't know facts and figures off the top of my head, I do know that Boris closed several fore stations in London claiming that people would be just as safe, and now they are having to recruit several hundred firefighters to replace the ones they let go. Actions speak louder than facts and figures
BadBull said:
Esceptico said:
The council estate where my mother lives looks awful. They have obviously cut back on maintenance and repairs, the grass isn’t being cut, the paths are falling apart with weeds growing through them. Dreadful. She has been there for 35 years and it has never looked worse.
Perhaps you should look after her better rather than fking off to NZ and then blaming politicians.If you are miles away, find her a local bloke to do it, will be 20 quid a month for what, 6 months of the year?
You could argue it is not your job but again, if it is upsetting your mum, seems v. easy to sort it out!
hucumber said:
A reasonable wage would be nice, yes.
Is it unreasonable to expect that public services get paid properly?
It's not unreasonable at all, but if you guys are going to carry on regardless, there's probably better uses of that money. Is it unreasonable to expect that public services get paid properly?
Maybe you guys shouldn't carry on regardless?
hucumber said:
A reasonable wage would be nice, yes.
Is it unreasonable to expect that public services get paid properly?
I don't know facts and figures off the top of my head, I do know that Boris closed several fore stations in London claiming that people would be just as safe, and now they are having to recruit several hundred firefighters to replace the ones they let go. Actions speak louder than facts and figures
What is a ‘reasonable’ wage?Is it unreasonable to expect that public services get paid properly?
I don't know facts and figures off the top of my head, I do know that Boris closed several fore stations in London claiming that people would be just as safe, and now they are having to recruit several hundred firefighters to replace the ones they let go. Actions speak louder than facts and figures
If you don’t like the wage, why not look elsewhere?
hucumber said:
No factual basis other than the fact that i work for the fire service? I was out all night xmas eve dealing with dead people and fires, and earnt less than I would get from a days labouring. Do you think thats right, or fair? Do you think thats a sign of things working as they should?
We have been visited by our cheif and told about all the cuts we are facing, and how our jobs are going to become harder, is that a sign of everything working as it should? Obviously you know more about it than I do, so why don't you enlighten me on how rosey everything is, and where you are getting your facts from
And Im not sure what you mean about houses being left to burn, again if you could provide your source for this I would like to see it
I suppose it depends on where you are, but labourer rates are what, 80 a day? So do you earn less than that on a Xmas eve night shift, presume there is no shift allowance or unsociable hours pay? We have been visited by our cheif and told about all the cuts we are facing, and how our jobs are going to become harder, is that a sign of everything working as it should? Obviously you know more about it than I do, so why don't you enlighten me on how rosey everything is, and where you are getting your facts from
And Im not sure what you mean about houses being left to burn, again if you could provide your source for this I would like to see it
Obviously, XMas eve is inconvenient etc, but there are plenty of people who have to work Xmas eve, day and night, public sector and private.
As for what you had to do that night, whilst sympathetic it is not relevant to your point, unless you think you should be paid more for dealing with dead people etc, and less when you spend the day on more mundane tasks, back at base, cleaning the equipment etc. Surely all activity you do is important so it's wrong to pay less for any particular one?
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