45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 5)

[kowalski655]

What would happen if an FBI agent grew a spine and got evidence of his college drunkenness, thereby showing him lieing to Congress? Would/could that be used since the WH are setting the terms of Justice?
I suspect the agent will get canned though!
Or what if the evidence were to come into the Bureau's possession..as the basketball player mentioned above.. . they can hardly ignore it if they want to retain credibility in future cases, I.e. questions over what other evidence they will have ignored to show innocence (a bit like the CPS in rape cases over here)

[Gameface]

He's been evasive and demonstrably and repeatedly lied under oath, in his "job interview" on a wide range of subjects.

Even setting aside the sexual misconduct accusations, these actions should see him lose the position.

It's absolutely mind boggling he's still odds on to get the job.

The fact that the GOP haven't turned to someone else speaks volumes. Kavanaugh is a bought and paid for stooge who will do the party's bidding.

For life.

[Byker28i]

Interesting


Domain raised 18 months before trump nominated him, 12 months after we were told Anthony Kennedy, the judge who resigned to make him a spot, was negotiating for Kavanaugh as his replacement.
The website appears to be a copyright of ‘Judicial Crisis Network’ who are also running his TV Ads.

[Gameface]

p1stonhead said:

He seems a bit like Trump himself. Could have kept banking big bucks, had an easy ride, and retired into obscurity and wealth. Instead he decided to run for the highest position in the land, and now people will pick apart every single thing he has ever done.

I've said much the same before.

Their arrogance far outweighs their common sense with regard to the level of scrutiny that will be brought to bear.

The ego of the entitled is a powerful thing.

[Lazermilk]

Byker28i said:

George Takei
Trump and Kanye have a lot in common, actually. Both believe they are far more gifted than they actually are. Both are known to deliver rambling, nonsensical speeches. And both profess to love someone named Kim.

[Byker28i]

Migrant children separated from their parents have been bused in the middle of the night to a tent city in texas
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/30/us/migrant-chil...

[Byker28i]

Good old Fox news...

[ScotHill]

Byker28i said:

Gameface said:

Can someone explain how the White House can instruct the FBI how to conduct their investigation?

Telling them who they can and can't speak to?What questions they can ask?

I genuinely don't understand this.

It's a good question to which I don't know the answer. White house spokesperson Raj Shah has said it's the senate setting the parameters, but Don McGahn, white house counsel is apparently setting the parameters and working closely with the FBI

One of the previous articles said that the FBI are acting as a service to whoever commissioned the investigation (the Senate/Whitehouse?) rather than investigating a crime as per their usual procedures. So they can't necessarily step outside of that remit, although I'm curious what would happen if they did, and had due cause to because of what they were discovering.

[Byker28i]

Quite an interesting piece, on The Nunes family dairy farm, and undocumented illegals working the dairy farms
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a23471864/de...

[Gameface]

ScotHill said:

Byker28i said:

Gameface said:

Can someone explain how the White House can instruct the FBI how to conduct their investigation?

Telling them who they can and can't speak to?What questions they can ask?

I genuinely don't understand this.

It's a good question to which I don't know the answer. White house spokesperson Raj Shah has said it's the senate setting the parameters, but Don McGahn, white house counsel is apparently setting the parameters and working closely with the FBI

One of the previous articles said that the FBI are acting as a service to whoever commissioned the investigation (the Senate/Whitehouse?) rather than investigating a crime as per their usual procedures. So they can't necessarily step outside of that remit, although I'm curious what would happen if they did, and had due cause to because of what they were discovering.

Surely they have to follow where the evidence leads? The White House can't suppress the evidence simply because they don't like it.

Edited by Gameface on Monday 1st October 08:42

[ScotHill]

Gameface said:

ScotHill said:

Byker28i said:

Gameface said:

Can someone explain how the White House can instruct the FBI how to conduct their investigation?

Telling them who they can and can't speak to?What questions they can ask?

I genuinely don't understand this.

It's a good question to which I don't know the answer. White house spokesperson Raj Shah has said it's the senate setting the parameters, but Don McGahn, white house counsel is apparently setting the parameters and working closely with the FBI

One of the previous articles said that the FBI are acting as a service to whoever commissioned the investigation (the Senate/Whitehouse?) rather than investigating a crime as per their usual procedures. So they can't necessarily step outside of that remit, although I'm curious what would happen if they did, and had due cause to because of what they were discovering.

Surely they have to follow where the evidence leads? The White House can't supress the evidence simply because they don't like it.

It's not a criminal investigation at this point, I believe, so 'evidence' will mean something different than if it were being put to a legal court. Things will probably become clearer over the next week I guess.

[RobDickinson]

FBI can investigate federal crimes, ones reported to it and crimes that cross state borders etc no idea if anyone (allegedly assaulted) has reported it to them

[ScotHill]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna915061

"Separately, a White House official made clear that the White House is the client in this process. This is not an FBI criminal investigation — it is a background investigation in which the FBI is acting on behalf of the White House. Procedurally, the White House does not allow the FBI to investigate as it sees fit, the official acknowledged; the White House sets the parameters."

[Gameface]

In that case the whole thing is a waste of fking time.

Trump lying again then by saying the FBI are under no restrictions.

[Gameface]

If evidence of criminal wrongdoing is unearthed are the FBI then able to investigate as they would normally?

A criminal investigation by their own parameters and no longer beholden to the White House?

[p1stonhead]

Gameface said:

If evidence of criminal wrongdoing is unearthed are the FBI then able to investigate as they would normally?

A criminal investigation by their own parameters and no longer beholden to the White House?

No idea. Trump acts like he is a king.

[hidetheelephants]

Gameface said:

If evidence of criminal wrongdoing is unearthed are the FBI then able to investigate as they would normally?

A criminal investigation by their own parameters and no longer beholden to the White House?

I would have thought if they discover evidence of criminality they're obliged to either investigate it themselves or report it to the local dibble, but I've stopped being surprised by the weirdness that is Trump and the Grand Old Misogynist Party.

[Byker28i]

The Fernstein letter asking for clarification on the FBI limits imposed by the white house is a good move. Whilst Grassley/McGahn probably won't respond, Wrey as head of the FBI might

[Gameface]

I hope Wrey does. It's not like he owes Trump any discretion or favours is it!

Trump slags off the FBI all the time and ignores their (and other security services) advice.

[Byker28i]

Gameface said:

I hope Wrey does. It's not like he owes Trump any discretion or favours is it!

Trump slags off the FBI all the time and ignores their (and other security services) advice.

Realistically it's now up to the media to kick up a big stink about the limitations of the FBI investigation especially as trump tweeted...