How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 12)

[anonymous-user]

Looks like The City is going nowhere else.

One for Strongle and Brooking/NickGnome to debate I would suggest.

Good news though.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-finan...

[anonymous-user]

Digga said:

Roman Rhodes said:

crankedup said:

Digga said:

crankedup said:

Watching the England v Bulgaria football match last night, the racist chants from some of the Bulgarians in the crowd was stomach churning. Apparently it’s a well recognised part of the Bulgarian game, racists are alive and well in Bulgaria. Ironic isn’t it when one considers the verbal abuse netted out to E.U. leavers from remainers over the past three years. EU populations are not so lily white and sweet after all, they may come as a shock to some.

Doesn't surprise me one bit. we have Bulgarian HGVs camped out on an industrial estate nearby. The things they do and the state they leave the place in is disgusting. Utter savages.

I'm sure not all Bulgarians are like that.

I was very careful to point out that it was ‘some Bulgarians’, the vast majority seemed well behaved in the crowd. The picture painted by ‘remainers’ of leavers being racists as if this vile trait is exclusive to the U.K. It is not, but it is a small minority.

Remind me what bears do in the woods and what religion the Pope follows...

Well done though for making up the Remainer position and then using the foul behaviour of some football ‘supporters’ to point out the error of their ways.

To be totally fair, this incident shows how, culturally, the East and West of the EU are still very, very different. There is no racism in pointing that fact out.

Who said there was any racism in pointing it out? As you say - not that much different to English football in the 70s.

The point was, does he think people are unaware of various unsavoury right-wing groups in Europe and does he really think that Remainers believe everyone in the EU is "lily white and sweet overall"?

[crankedup]

digimeistter said:

Looks like The City is going nowhere else.

One for Strongle and Brooking/NickGnome to debate I would suggest.

Good news though.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-finan...

But the educated remainers told us that ‘The City’ would be fleeing from the U.K. How it would be a cataclysmic event. More verbal garbage exposed for what it was. And still waiting for the emergency budget that George promised.

[anonymous-user]

crankedup said:

digimeistter said:

Looks like The City is going nowhere else.

One for Strongle and Brooking/NickGnome to debate I would suggest.

Good news though.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-finan...

But the educated remainers told us that ‘The City’ would be fleeing from the U.K. How it would be a cataclysmic event. More verbal garbage exposed for what it was. And still waiting for the emergency budget that George promised.

Crap I forgot Mrr T !

[Henryhall52]

Roman Rhodes said:

Who said there was any racism in pointing it out? As you say - not that much different to English football in the 70s.

The point was, does he think people are unaware of various unsavoury right-wing groups in Europe and does he really think that Remainers believe everyone in the EU is "lily white and sweet overall"?

Certainly not, I'm sure there are some that don't think that way.

[silentbrown]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

The remainers are in control of the House of Commons. Even if the deal is good they will never support it.

Well, no. The point is that the government aren't in control of the HoC. Her maj's opposition do what they do (the clue's in the name), and they can't (as a party) make their minds up if they're for or against leaving.

[Vanden Saab]

digimeistter said:

crankedup said:

digimeistter said:

Looks like The City is going nowhere else.

One for Strongle and Brooking/NickGnome to debate I would suggest.

Good news though.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-finan...

But the educated remainers told us that ‘The City’ would be fleeing from the U.K. How it would be a cataclysmic event. More verbal garbage exposed for what it was. And still waiting for the emergency budget that George promised.

Crap I forgot Mrr T !

You too

[anonymous-user]

Henryhall52 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

Who said there was any racism in pointing it out? As you say - not that much different to English football in the 70s.

The point was, does he think people are unaware of various unsavoury right-wing groups in Europe and does he really think that Remainers believe everyone in the EU is "lily white and sweet overall"?

Certainly not, I'm sure there are some that don't think that way.

Yes, it seems to be mainly Leavers like Farage who think that AfD and their like are jolly nice people!

[crankedup]

Vanden Saab said:

digimeistter said:

crankedup said:

digimeistter said:

Looks like The City is going nowhere else.

One for Strongle and Brooking/NickGnome to debate I would suggest.

Good news though.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-finan...

But the educated remainers told us that ‘The City’ would be fleeing from the U.K. How it would be a cataclysmic event. More verbal garbage exposed for what it was. And still waiting for the emergency budget that George promised.

Crap I forgot Mrr T !

You too

Where has Banjo gone, I used to enjoy reading his posts.

[Earthdweller]

crankedup said:

Last nights edition of ‘Newsnight’ featured five MPs of differing political parties, each one had a completely different approach/requirement regarding the brexit debacle. I can’t see the HoC agreeing to any proposal.

That’s rather unusual!

They are usually quite decisive

[JNW1]

Digga said:

To be totally fair, this incident shows how, culturally, the East and West of the EU are still very, very different. There is no racism in pointing that fact out.

I agree to some extent but let's not forget open and widespread racist chanting at football grounds isn't restricted to Eastern European countries; places like Italy and Spain also have an indifferent recent record in that respect. We're not exactly perfect in the UK either but it feels like large parts of Europe are at least a couple of decades behind us in terms of acknowledging and tackling racism......

[DeepEnd]

Tuna said:

DeepEnd said:

What she means is we will be seen as and treated as a competitor.

In negotiations and in future EU decision making - in the interests of the 440 million.

Are you seriously thinking this is news? How many times have I said exactly that? The reasons May's deal was so bad was precisely because the EU is not going to be 'kind' to us when we leave.

Stockholm Syndrome from Remainers who think BRINO is a good move.

Interesting levels of rage at my comment, which after all was just factual.

It was just intended to help ElusiveJim who seemed to think Merkel's statement was all about revealing a reason they wanted us to stay - i.e. we'd be a competitor - oh no - they are scared!

However, I felt it only appropriate to point out that is not really what she was getting at - more that she is preparing the ground for taking steps that help them and not us.

Imagine a BetaMAX manufacturer shouting "hey look VHS are saying we are a competitor and have slightly superior sound quality! - they are clearly scared and afraid of our competing standard!". And imaging everything will be fine and dandy as a result.

Its not an equivalent situation, but it is completely missing the wider point and global reality of the situation in a similar way.

[anonymous-user]

DeepEnd said:

Interesting levels of rage at my comment, which after all was just factual.

It was just intended to help ElusiveJim who seemed to think Merkel's statement was all about revealing a reason they wanted us to stay - i.e. we'd be a competitor - oh no - they are scared!

However, I felt it only appropriate to point out that is not really what she was getting at - more that she is preparing the ground for taking steps that help them and not us.

Imagine a BetaMAX manufacturer shouting "hey look VHS are saying we are a competitor and have slightly superior sound quality! - they are clearly scared and afraid of our competing standard!". And imaging everything will be fine and dandy as a result.

Its not an equivalent situation, but it is completely missing the wider point and global reality of the situation in a similar way.

Quite right.

I really have no idea why people keep responding to your drivel?

[Dr Jekyll]

DeepEnd said:

Interesting levels of rage at my comment, which after all was just factual.

It was just intended to help ElusiveJim who seemed to think Merkel's statement was all about revealing a reason they wanted us to stay - i.e. we'd be a competitor - oh no - they are scared!

However, I felt it only appropriate to point out that is not really what she was getting at - more that she is preparing the ground for taking steps that help them and not us.

Imagine a BetaMAX manufacturer shouting "hey look VHS are saying we are a competitor and have slightly superior sound quality! - they are clearly scared and afraid of our competing standard!". And imaging everything will be fine and dandy as a result.

Its not an equivalent situation, but it is completely missing the wider point and global reality of the situation in a similar way.

If the UK was really going to suffer economic collapse as a result of leaving, they wouldn't be worried. The example would deter others from leaving. What they are worried about is that the UK will become much more successful outside the EU's restrictions, which is why they want to keep us in the customs union and otherwise retain control.

[Earthdweller]

Dr Jekyll said:

DeepEnd said:

Interesting levels of rage at my comment, which after all was just factual.

It was just intended to help ElusiveJim who seemed to think Merkel's statement was all about revealing a reason they wanted us to stay - i.e. we'd be a competitor - oh no - they are scared!

However, I felt it only appropriate to point out that is not really what she was getting at - more that she is preparing the ground for taking steps that help them and not us.

Imagine a BetaMAX manufacturer shouting "hey look VHS are saying we are a competitor and have slightly superior sound quality! - they are clearly scared and afraid of our competing standard!". And imaging everything will be fine and dandy as a result.

Its not an equivalent situation, but it is completely missing the wider point and global reality of the situation in a similar way.

If the UK was really going to suffer economic collapse as a result of leaving, they wouldn't be worried. The example would deter others from leaving. What they are worried about is that the UK will become much more successful outside the EU's restrictions, which is why they want to keep us in the customs union and otherwise retain control.

Quite

Man City aren’t worried about Tranmere Rovers but they are worried about Liverpool

[Tuna]

DeepEnd said:

Interesting levels of rage at my comment, which after all was just factual.

Rage? Where?

Some amusement that we get the 'logic' that "The EU is going to take steps to compete against us as robustly as possible" leads to "so therefore we must stay as close to them as possible and rely on them to set our standards and trading agreements".

But really, really not rage.

[DeltonaS]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

EU is also about harmonization of not only laws but also all kinds of products and services.

Having multiple, unnecessary standards in the various European country's obviously means higher costs.

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european...

and:

"One of the areas of a particular regulatory concern in this regard is the situation with EU standards, or more precisely – EU Harmonised Standards, which set benchmarks for the safety and quality of products and services across multiple sectors —from energy and healthcare to transport — to protect consumers and facilitate cross-border trade."

"And whereas the above-mentioned European Union (Withdrawal) bill may preserve those EU standards applicable in the UK, it will not necessarily be reciprocal for British standards being valid or accepted throughout the EU after the 29 March 2017, as the UK will become a so-called ‘third country’ overnight."

https://brexit-standards.ideasoneurope.eu/2018/10/...

[Earthdweller]

JNW1 said:

Digga said:

To be totally fair, this incident shows how, culturally, the East and West of the EU are still very, very different. There is no racism in pointing that fact out.

I agree to some extent but let's not forget open and widespread racist chanting at football grounds isn't restricted to Eastern European countries; places like Italy and Spain also have an indifferent recent record in that respect. We're not exactly perfect in the UK either but it feels like large parts of Europe are at least a couple of decades behind us in terms of acknowledging and tackling racism......

I do think that the UK is one of the most inclusive diverse tolerant and least racist places in the world

[crankedup]

Earthdweller said:

crankedup said:

Last nights edition of ‘Newsnight’ featured five MPs of differing political parties, each one had a completely different approach/requirement regarding the brexit debacle. I can’t see the HoC agreeing to any proposal.

That’s rather unusual!

They are usually quite decisive

Still at least each individual was decisive, but each at odds with each decision. Each determined that their approach was the correct approach. Lord have mercy!

[crankedup]

JNW1 said:

Digga said:

To be totally fair, this incident shows how, culturally, the East and West of the EU are still very, very different. There is no racism in pointing that fact out.

I agree to some extent but let's not forget open and widespread racist chanting at football grounds isn't restricted to Eastern European countries; places like Italy and Spain also have an indifferent recent record in that respect. We're not exactly perfect in the UK either but it feels like large parts of Europe are at least a couple of decades behind us in terms of acknowledging and tackling racism......

That would appear to be the situation, it seems little englanders are not quite so racist as some of our remainer friends suggest. In fact I think we are extremely open and tolerant.