Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 9

[ant1973]

lothianJim said:

Leithen said:

Furlough extended through to end of March.

Brace for Lockdown and incoming prohibition!

Does this make lockdown less likely in short term but more likely in the medium term?

On the basis that R is currently "hovering" around 1, the political justification for acting is somewhat difficult. The furlough would also only apply to those businesses mandated to close as determined by London. So the previously adopted "fiction" of essential and non-essential businesses cannot be embraced in justification of closing huge swathes of the economy. She can now only interfere with retail and hospitality as in England and that's her whack. If she shut it all down until April, very little of it would re-open as the underlying businesses would likely go under.

Mercifully there is no cash alternative for her to install monitoring apparatus in our homes (doubtless designed as smoke detectors) to ensure there is no "hate speech". Either that or the creation of non jobs to tell people how to use fireworks!

[Leithen]

ant1973 said:

.....The furlough would also only apply to those businesses mandated to close as determined by London......

It looks like this is an extension of the JRS, not the JSS, so this applies to all businesses, not just those forced to close.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/extensi...

[ant1973]

Leithen said:

ant1973 said:

.....The furlough would also only apply to those businesses mandated to close as determined by London......

It looks like this is an extension of the JRS, not the JSS, so this applies to all businesses, not just those forced to close.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/extensi...

Yes - I think you are correct in what you say. I have to confess, that gives me the fear as to how she may wield that power....

[lothianJim]

Today marks 12 polls in a row showing majority for Yes. Hard to imagine more fortuitous series of events for independence movement, than Boris, Brexit and Covid... And they are just getting going. Where next for the polls?

[Roderick Spode]

lothianJim said:

Today marks 12 polls in a row showing majority for Yes. Hard to imagine more fortuitous series of events for independence movement, than Boris, Brexit and Covid... And they are just getting going. Where next for the polls?

It's easy to manipulate polls, especially when they a) ask leading, loaded questions, or b) are commissioned by Angus Robertson, or c) both a and b.

All these polls have been conveniently commissioned and released at times when scandals are coming to light for the SNP. See a link yet?

[bristolracer]

We all know from the last 2 UK elections and the still ongoing US one just how accurate polls these days are.

It may also be an indication of how much the general public tell lies.

[Roderick Spode]

Oh dear. It appears Foghorn Dreghorn is attempting to downplay the release of documents to the Salmond enquiry, stating they would "breach code of ethics". Well, that's never bothered the SNP before. Also convenient timing of a new Angus Robertson poll to help mask this, and keep the feeble minded sheep bleating for the never-to-be-announced second referendum, and avoid scrutiny into this trifling inconvenience.

Article said:

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has said she would be breaching the Ministerial code if she handed over her Government’s legal advice in the Alex Salmond case. She said the rules made clear she would have to obtain the “prior consent” of the law officers before releasing the material. Labour MSP Jackie Baillie blasted: “No amount of obfuscation and smoke and mirrors will allow the First Minister to wriggle off the hook. The documents must be published and the truth must out, whether that casts the Scottish Government in a favourable light or not.”

So what the rules actually state is that she must seek consent from the law officers prior to handing over relevant information. Why doesn't she just do that instead of going to the media with a sob story about being forced to break the rules by the big nasty opposition?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola...

[Pastor Of Muppets]

lothianJim said:

Today marks 12 polls in a row showing majority for Yes. Hard to imagine more fortuitous series of events for independence movement, than Boris, Brexit and Covid... And they are just getting going. Where next for the polls?

Is it the same company that done the others, run by the SNP's Angus Robertson by any chance? , they are hardly
going to tell the truth, that polls are exceptionally well known for being nowhere near the mark, and when combined
with a polling company that has a vested interest and bias on the polling subject then that adds another huge dollop
of BS to the result. Not many take any notice of polls these days, history has shown they are guff.

I've polled everyone I have personally spoken to in the last month whether they will vote for the SNP next year,
92% have said NO, that as valid as any biased polls.

The people of Scotland are sick of them, thats the reality, not Angus Robertsons deceitful polls.

[J6542]

Freeman now asking for a national review of the care home scandal. No doubt so they can turn round and say that the big bad English made us do it.
What a pathetic embarrassment of an nation they are creating. If they ever did get independence, they would bankrupt and ruin us all while blaming the English.

[Evercross]

lothianJim said:

Today marks 12 polls in a row showing majority for Yes. Hard to imagine more fortuitous series of events for independence movement, than Boris, Brexit and Covid... And they are just getting going. Where next for the polls?

Link please to today's poll?

The one reported earlier in the week had been conducted away back in September and was being publicised for the second time - the first time being quoted as 'interim'.

Roderick Spode said:

So what the rules actually state is that she must seek consent from the law officers prior to handing over relevant information. Why doesn't she just do that instead of going to the media with a sob story about being forced to break the rules by the big nasty opposition?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola...

That's the thing about Sturgeon and the SNP in general. They never have the guts to just ride something out - they always need to have an excuse or someone else to blame because their self-righteousness is ingrained. It is the same mentality that has Margaret Covid Ferrier still hanging on to her job.

Just like with Wishart getting all indignant about losing the votes - they are more Trumpian than Trump with their obfuscations and accusations of everyone else doing something bad to poor old them.

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 5th November 18:19

[lothianJim]

https://www.survation.com/scotland-political-polli...

Dated 4th Nov I think

[Evercross]

lothianJim said:

https://www.survation.com/scotland-political-polli...

Dated 4th Nov I think

Once again conducted by Angus Robertson.

File it in the bin - nothing more than propaganda.

Clearly though Robertson is getting paid for this from somewhere. Maybe this explains the missing cash from the SNP 'ring-fenced' indy fighting fun?

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 5th November 18:32

[irc]

Kate the Finance Secretary was on R Scotland with the old give us power to borrow whine. Giving the SNP the power to borrow cash that would go on the UK national debt would be like adding an irresponsible teen-ager as a second cardholder on your Visa and saying "buy what you like?"

The alternative, allowing Scotland to borrow to be repaid from future block grants or higher taxes would be the start of a downward spiral to Venezuela.

Edited by irc on Thursday 5th November 18:49

[lothianJim]

Evercross said:

Once again conducted by Angus Robertson.

File it in the bin - nothing more than propaganda.

Clearly though Robertson is getting paid for this from somewhere. Maybe this explains the missing cash from the SNP 'ring-fenced' indy fighting fun?

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 5th November 18:32

Of course it's propaganda, why else commission so frequently. In addition to being propaganda, it probably does hint at shifting voter attitudes too. Not entirely unexpected given Brexit looming etc

[Pastor Of Muppets]

lothianJim said:

Evercross said:

Once again conducted by Angus Robertson.

File it in the bin - nothing more than propaganda.

Clearly though Robertson is getting paid for this from somewhere. Maybe this explains the missing cash from the SNP 'ring-fenced' indy fighting fun?

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 5th November 18:32

Of course it's propaganda, why else commission so frequently. In addition to being propaganda, it probably does hint at shifting voter attitudes too. Not entirely unexpected given Brexit looming etc

Lets be very clear about this, It hints at nothing but absolute deception.

[coppernorks]

Roderick Spode said:

lothianJim said:

Today marks 12 polls in a row showing majority for Yes. Hard to imagine more fortuitous series of events for independence movement, than Boris, Brexit and Covid... And they are just getting going. Where next for the polls?

It's easy to manipulate polls, especially when they a) ask leading, loaded questions, or b) are commissioned by Angus Robertson, or c) both a and b.

All these polls have been conveniently commissioned and released at times when scandals are coming to light for the SNP. See a link yet?

No, what I see is news of the fake variety.

You expect us to believe all 12 polls have been commissioned by organisations with a pro Independence agenda.
How come the media BBC, ITV are happy to quote these " dodgy " polls ?

OK, show us pro unionist independence polls that show YES at less that 58 % and we'll believe the conspiracists.

[technodup]

coppernorks said:

No, what I see is news of the fake variety.

You expect us to believe all 12 polls have been commissioned by organisations with a pro Independence agenda.
How come the media BBC, ITV are happy to quote these " dodgy " polls ?

OK, show us pro unionist independence polls that show YES at less that 58 % and we'll believe the conspiracists.

You're really missing the point if you want 'pro unionist' polls...

[Evercross]

technodup said:

You're really missing the point if you want 'pro unionist' polls...

Since when did anyone commission a poll that promoted the status quo?

coppernorks said:

You expect us to believe all 12 polls have been commissioned by organisations with a pro Independence agenda.

Propaganda right there. As has already been mentioned - it isn't 12 polls, it is verifiably less because 2 were the same poll reported twice. If someone has to inflate the stats then they clearly have an agenda.

It is one of those self-fulfilling prophecies though, and this discussion proves it.

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 5th November 20:40

[hidetheelephants]

sbarclay62 said:

snowandrocks said:

alangla said:

Training courses before buying fireworks? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54795415

Really highlights how out of touch they are with rural Scotland. Some genuine anger about the proposals from friends and family here in Aberdeenshire.

Another nanny state SNP policy aimed at central belt scumbags interfering unnecessarily with the lives of the rest of us.

Its a tough-one. Maybe councils should have the ability to ban them locally?

I'm in an Edinburgh council estate and they're a fking nightmare. Getting launched into stairways, shops, thrown at people etc not to mention getting set of at all times of day and night from start of October to mid November.

They seem to be looking for as complex a way of dealing with it as possible; limiting the number of outlets would seem a better idea, require vendors to be licenced and make the licence fee onerous for shops that only stock the bloody things 2 weeks a year. Pyro specialists will continue as they have as they've much greater interest in being responsible vendors. If neds can't buy them at the cornershop the problem will mostly disappear.

[lothianJim]

Some of the firework videos on twitter wouldn't look out of place on the Mandalorian.