Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 5)

[Robertj21a]

Not just Laura K, the whole shower of journalists have proved to be sadly lacking.

[Edmor]

jagnet said:

jsf said:

saaby93 said:

Didnt realise our deaths were higher than China's peak

China's figures are bullst

But they seemed such a trustworthy authoritarian regime. No one in China has a bad word to say about them

and those who do go missing....

[Vanden Saab]

soupdragon1 said:

Vanden Saab said:

arguti said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

For those of us in the medical world who saw the footage from Chinese AE departments in Jan/Feb it was pretty predictable who was going to happen - the Germans acted earlier and quicker, more decisively, particularly in terms of involving the private sector such as big pharma etc PPE kit.

On top of that, they have mire ITU beds, doctors and hospital beds per capita than virtually anywhere else in the world.

Did they not shut down earlier? This may or may not have been a good thing depending on what happens in the future...

Not sure I follow - are you saying it could be a bad thing?

Yes

[Promised Land]

Petrus1983 said:

Chris Whitty is back - thank fk. He’s the voice of reason, non political and I trust him.

Him and The other medical/science ones are all good and informative, they must dread the questions though, from political reporters.

Kuunesberg and Peston seem to be the worst, not actually asking anything constructive but trying to find weakness among the government, how is that going to help?

[soupdragon1]

Vanden Saab said:

soupdragon1 said:

Vanden Saab said:

arguti said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

For those of us in the medical world who saw the footage from Chinese AE departments in Jan/Feb it was pretty predictable who was going to happen - the Germans acted earlier and quicker, more decisively, particularly in terms of involving the private sector such as big pharma etc PPE kit.

On top of that, they have mire ITU beds, doctors and hospital beds per capita than virtually anywhere else in the world.

Did they not shut down earlier? This may or may not have been a good thing depending on what happens in the future...

Not sure I follow - are you saying it could be a bad thing?

Yes

Yeah I though that was what you meant, but I couldn't quite believe it.

Crazy to think that getting a handle on a pandemic nice and early can be a bad thing.

[king arthur]

hyphen said:

YankeePorker said:

More and more info coming about the mechanisms of this virus. After reading this I finally understand a bit better why the use of ventilators is only yielding limited success - they are treating people for pneumonia when it isn't actually what they are suffering from.

http://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/https://...

When reading something like that, always first check who is writing it. Your link is written by some random person hiding behind a username.

The site it was written on have pulled the article, indicating was fake news?

Here's a link to the original article https://chemrxiv.org/articles/COVID-19_Disease_ORF...
from the Sichuan University of Science and Engineering, discussed in this video I linked earlier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNDE12HymYc
from 21.05

This theory sounds like it might have some legs as it explains a few things like how Covid-19 always causes bilateral pneumonia, and the cases of hypoxia without a diagnosis of pneumonia. Would be interesting to get a view on this from someone who knows this stuff (aside from the pathologist author of the video).

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

...a journalist had falsely claimed that there was a 'promise' to get 100,000 tests per day by the end of the month, rather than a target to reach 100,000 tests per day, Rodent DNA strikes agaiin.

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The problem was the testing but was spun out. They said 2 weeks ago they would be testing 10k a day ramping up to 250k tests by end of April. Well they only just started doing more than 10k tests a day and 250k by end of April is farcical.

If they had been more honest, it was never going to happen in that time frame, it wouldn't have come across as it has.

[tomble22]

Robertj21a said:

Not just Laura K, the whole shower of journalists have proved to be sadly lacking.

Fully agree, same drivel different day. Dr Whitty and Sir Vallance must get fed up with the same stupid questions day in, day out.

[bitchstewie]

tomble22 said:

Robertj21a said:

Not just Laura K, the whole shower of journalists have proved to be sadly lacking.

Fully agree, same drivel different day. Dr Whitty and Sir Vallance must get fed up with the same stupid questions day in, day out.

I'd be quite pleasantly surprised if one of them when asked for their question simply said "Sorry but no need you've covered everything thank you".

[zarjaz_]

France 11059 new cases and 1417 new deaths

Why are their figures suddenly so horrendous? There was a lot of stuff about missed data last week.

[turbobloke]

soupdragon1 said:

Vanden Saab said:

soupdragon1 said:

Vanden Saab said:

arguti said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

For those of us in the medical world who saw the footage from Chinese AE departments in Jan/Feb it was pretty predictable who was going to happen - the Germans acted earlier and quicker, more decisively, particularly in terms of involving the private sector such as big pharma etc PPE kit.

On top of that, they have mire ITU beds, doctors and hospital beds per capita than virtually anywhere else in the world.

Did they not shut down earlier? This may or may not have been a good thing depending on what happens in the future...

Not sure I follow - are you saying it could be a bad thing?

Yes

Yeah I though that was what you meant, but I couldn't quite believe it.

Crazy to think that getting a handle on a pandemic nice and early can be a bad thing.

Not really. It depends on whether what's done "gets a handle on it" or stores up trouble for later, e.g. when an early/strict lockdown is released, and the devil is in the detail, there's a risk of a surge in cases due to the lower proportion of the population who've had the disease and gained immunity, which those who study viruses including coronaviruses suggest will last for at least months and probably years (but it's not certain).

Link said:

With other coronavirus strains, experts say the antibodies that patients produce during infection give them immunity to the specific virus for months or even years, but researchers are still figuring out if and how that works with COVID-19.

https://time.com/5810454/coronavirus-immunity-reinfection/

[turbobloke]

Thesprucegoose said:

turbobloke said:

...a journalist had falsely claimed that there was a 'promise' to get 100,000 tests per day by the end of the month, rather than a target to reach 100,000 tests per day, Rodent DNA strikes agaiin.

.

The problem was the testing but was spun out. They said 2 weeks ago they would be testing 10k a day ramping up to 250k tests by end of April. Well they only just started doing more than 10k tests a day and 250k by end of April is farcical.

If they had been more honest, it was never going to happen in that time frame, it wouldn't have come across as it has.

Handling may not have been to Bruce Grobbelaar standards but a target is a target not a promise.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

Handling may not have been to Bruce Grobbelaar standards but a target is a target not a promise.

The problem was that was not clear at the time. So why say it? Anyway it was a said time for spinning something but we are getting there now 2 weeks later.

[Vanden Saab]

soupdragon1 said:

Vanden Saab said:

soupdragon1 said:

Vanden Saab said:

arguti said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

For those of us in the medical world who saw the footage from Chinese AE departments in Jan/Feb it was pretty predictable who was going to happen - the Germans acted earlier and quicker, more decisively, particularly in terms of involving the private sector such as big pharma etc PPE kit.

On top of that, they have mire ITU beds, doctors and hospital beds per capita than virtually anywhere else in the world.

Did they not shut down earlier? This may or may not have been a good thing depending on what happens in the future...

Not sure I follow - are you saying it could be a bad thing?

Yes

Yeah I though that was what you meant, but I couldn't quite believe it.

Crazy to think that getting a handle on a pandemic nice and early can be a bad thing.

Ah you are one of those nutters who thinks kicking the can down the road is the answer to everything. This virus isn't going anywhere. How long will Germany stay in lockdown? or more to the point what will happen when they lift the restrictions?

[ant1973]

tomble22 said:

Robertj21a said:

Not just Laura K, the whole shower of journalists have proved to be sadly lacking.

Fully agree, same drivel different day. Dr Whitty and Sir Vallance must get fed up with the same stupid questions day in, day out.

It's the lack of forensic questioning that really grinds my gears. So many good questions to ask. In fairness, when they are met with the equivalent of this year's "strong and stable", you can maybe see why some of the serious journos don't bother....

[lampchair]

Thesprucegoose said:

turbobloke said:

Handling may not have been to Bruce Grobbelaar standards but a target is a target not a promise.

The problem was that was not clear at the time. So why say it? Anyway it was a said time for spinning something but we are getting there now 2 weeks later.

They were quite clear that a target had been set for manufacturers to provide that number. ‘Target’ was specifically used.

[Pan Pan Pan]

psi310398 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Agreed, actually someone coming onto a site (any site) to complain that the content is boring them, has to be one of the most mind numbingly stupid things to do. If a site /topic is boring someone, all they need to do is completely ignore it and try another topic..
What they are doing, is the equivalent of someone sticking their finger into a cowpat, licking it, and then complaining they don't like the taste.

Equally, metapohircally speaking, it seems that you think that others should not be allowed to complain about the (virtual) pub bores dominating the conversation and bking on about their pet topics.

You're right, I've been in pubs like that and ultimately the only thing to do is take your drinking elsewhere, but most publicans might appreciate a bit of warning first.

If PH was a pub, I would completely agree, but it is not, it is a thread on PH, and there is nothing stopping a person putting in their thoughts on a particular subject down, and nothing stopping other people responding directly to it
Of course in a pub, if a person (bore) is speaking louder then anyone else, and drowning out every one else`s opinions, a change of pub would be beneficial, but for it should be for the bore to change pubs, not for you.

[anonymous-user]

Another little personal anecdotal update if that's ok:

For the 2nd day now wife's hospital has been relatively under control and not struggling to find places for patients as they were last week......................as stated before this could just be the lull before the storm and she thinks hers is a bit in front of most other areas so fingers X'd this is the peak and soon things start to ease everywhere else.

[turbobloke]

Thesprucegoose said:

turbobloke said:

Handling may not have been to Bruce Grobbelaar standards but a target is a target not a promise.

The problem was that was not clear at the time. So why say it? <snip>

Because 'it' wasn't a promise but a target and it was as clear as a bell. I was watching/listening to the pres conference when the target was announced by Hancock.

Most of the coverage has been accurate, which is amazing in itself, but there's always one and inevitably they get to ask their baseless question. Try spotting the word target which I've helped out with.

Matt Hancock sets target of 100,000 coronavirus tests a day ...www.theguardian.com › world › apr › matt-hancock-sets-target-of-10...
5 days ago

Hancock: 100,000 Daily Tests Target will "be tough" - Guido ...order-order.com › 2020/04/05 › hancock-100000-daily-tests-target-w...
2 days ago

UK coronavirus testing: Matt Hancock confirms 100,000 test target ...inews.co.uk › News › Health
4 days ago

No10 has confirmed that the target of carrying out 100,000 ...
4 days ago

Coronavirus: Health Secretary Matt Hancock says the government has "a huge amount of work to do" to meet its target 100,000 coronavirus tests a day in the ...
4 days ago

Coronavirus update: Matt Hancock sets target of 100,000 tests ...www.express.co.uk › Life & Style › Health
4 days ago..

[lampchair]

catweasle said:

Another little personal anecdotal update if that's ok:

For the 2nd day now wife's hospital has been relatively under control and not struggling to find places for patients as they were last week......................as stated before this could just be the lull before the storm and she thinks hers is a bit in front of most other areas so fingers X'd this is the peak and soon things start to ease everywhere else.

Do we have the same wife?

She’s busy but not mega.