Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not!
Discussion
Suez.
Britain conspired with France and Israel to fabricate an excuse to invade Egypt to take back ownership of the Suez canal.
America was miffed at being lied to and left out and ordered everybody back to base - or else
Worse foreign policy Clusterphuque in UK post WWII history - and then came Blair's Iraq.
Britain conspired with France and Israel to fabricate an excuse to invade Egypt to take back ownership of the Suez canal.
America was miffed at being lied to and left out and ordered everybody back to base - or else
Worse foreign policy Clusterphuque in UK post WWII history - and then came Blair's Iraq.
williamp said:
To answer the OP: When there is a balanced panel, like tonight, labour get slaughtered.
Indeed, I turned on dispairing that I'd see the usual lefty fest, but they really stuck it to Miliband and about time too, Cameron did OK as did Clegg. Even Dimbleby pushed Miliband not off the stage though as he managed his own prat fall.
RacerMike said:
Northern Munkee said:
f
king obsession with food banks. They used to be called charities!
The figures banded round are totally misleading as well! It's not 1 million people using it, but 1 million visits. That includes multiple visits by the same people! I think the true figures for the number of people using them are under 300,000. If someone could find some actual data to attribute to that, it'd be good. I heard it second hand though so please correct me if I'm wrong!king obsession with food banks. They used to be called charities!RacerMike said:
Always good to see some speccy leftie tt get schooled by the heavyweights. It offends me that he thinks he represents 'my' generation. Crawl back under your rock you ill informed, idealistic tit.
But he's got an iphone and Facebook and Google...t get schooled by the heavyweights. It offends me that he thinks he represents 'my' generation. Crawl back under your rock you ill informed, idealistic tit.Where did it all go wrong?
RacerMike said:
Always good to see some speccy leftie tt get schooled by the heavyweights. It offends me that he thinks he represents 'my' generation. Crawl back under your rock you ill informed, idealistic tit.
Though he does represent x% - why is that probably because our education covers tiny bits of Henry 8 and a brushstroke over Franz Ferdinand (though maybe they do that in music class these days). t get schooled by the heavyweights. It offends me that he thinks he represents 'my' generation. Crawl back under your rock you ill informed, idealistic tit.We don't tech economics even at a simplistic level, nor politics, not modern relevant history. Given what >50% of school leavers only do GCSE or less the awareness of everything is pathetic.
Sorry red wine bottle or two down tonight
Scuffers said:
But he's got an iphone and Facebook and Google...
Where did it all go wrong?
He gave it to his 9yr old godson to use who could only teach his godfather so much.Where did it all go wrong?
Most amusing.
I like all three of the This Week old boys. And Andrew Neil I find particularly sharp and amusing.
Welshbeef said:
Though he does represent x% - why is that probably because our education covers tiny bits of Henry 8 and a brushstroke over Franz Ferdinand (though maybe they do that in music class these days).
We don't tech economics even at a simplistic level, nor politics, not modern relevant history. Given what >50% of school leavers only do GCSE or less the awareness of everything is pathetic.
Sorry red wine bottle or two down tonight
No....it's a fair point. Although of course I'm sure many from my parents generation would argue that the responsibility for further learning still lay with the individual in their day as well. I think perhaps what has changed is the sense entitlement and this bizarre belief that somewhere, there's a big pot of money that gets handed out to the rich, with the remaining scraps given to everyone else. Basic economics just seems to escape most of the population....We don't tech economics even at a simplistic level, nor politics, not modern relevant history. Given what >50% of school leavers only do GCSE or less the awareness of everything is pathetic.
Sorry red wine bottle or two down tonight
Thank you. I was unaware of the French spelling.Chatting about this at work earlier.
Apparently the audience we're too aggressive and, unlike the fair audience the BBC normally has, was too right wing.
The person in question thinks Miliband did well and was disappointed the BBC didn't give their normal balanced view on things.
I was shouted down when I questioned the normal political stance of the BBC.
Apparently the audience we're too aggressive and, unlike the fair audience the BBC normally has, was too right wing.
The person in question thinks Miliband did well and was disappointed the BBC didn't give their normal balanced view on things.
I was shouted down when I questioned the normal political stance of the BBC.
audidoody said:
Suez.
Britain conspired with France and Israel to fabricate an excuse to invade Egypt to take back ownership of the Suez canal.
America was miffed at being lied to and left out and ordered everybody back to base - or else
Worse foreign policy Clusterphuque in UK post WWII history - and then came Blair's Iraq.
Indeed, although we won on the ground. We left because the US threatened to tank the £. On the way there the US followed our naval ships, ready to sink them.Britain conspired with France and Israel to fabricate an excuse to invade Egypt to take back ownership of the Suez canal.
America was miffed at being lied to and left out and ordered everybody back to base - or else
Worse foreign policy Clusterphuque in UK post WWII history - and then came Blair's Iraq.
France was not happy with us as we'd let her down by giving in to the Americans. The French then cosied up to the Germans who were talking about a united Europe, and that it would be their revenge against the Anglo-American axis. This is why we weren't really wanted in the EEC.
what I find stunning bout all this is that in the current world with the internet/wikipedia/etc. we have more and more people that are plain morons on this stuff.
it would have taken the specie idiot seconds to look up this stuff, yet he failed miserably to know anything of this country's (and the worlds) recent history.
Is this the legacy of Blair's education, education, education policies?
it would have taken the specie idiot seconds to look up this stuff, yet he failed miserably to know anything of this country's (and the worlds) recent history.
Is this the legacy of Blair's education, education, education policies?
Welshbeef said:
Though he does represent x% - why is that probably because our education covers tiny bits of Henry 8 and a brushstroke over Franz Ferdinand (though maybe they do that in music class these days).
We don't tech economics even at a simplistic level, nor politics, not modern relevant history. Given what >50% of school leavers only do GCSE or less the awareness of everything is pathetic.
Sorry red wine bottle or two down tonight
I think Economics is simple dont spend more than you earn and put a bit aside for a rainy day.We don't tech economics even at a simplistic level, nor politics, not modern relevant history. Given what >50% of school leavers only do GCSE or less the awareness of everything is pathetic.
Sorry red wine bottle or two down tonight
Hoink said:
Chatting about this at work earlier.
Apparently the audience we're too aggressive and, unlike the fair audience the BBC normally has, was too right wing.
The person in question thinks Miliband did well and was disappointed the BBC didn't give their normal balanced view on things.
I was shouted down when I questioned the normal political stance of the BBC.
You work at the BBC?Apparently the audience we're too aggressive and, unlike the fair audience the BBC normally has, was too right wing.
The person in question thinks Miliband did well and was disappointed the BBC didn't give their normal balanced view on things.
I was shouted down when I questioned the normal political stance of the BBC.
Guam said:
This was how question time used to be, its what it should be like, the nation has a lot to thank Farage for, for getting this finally flushed out imho!
How dare the BBC put people in the audience that may have a different opinion to the left wing politician what is the world coming to. I havent watched QT for years for this very reason and yes Farage has had an influence on this election.Scuffers said:
what I find stunning bout all this is that in the current world with the internet/wikipedia/etc. we have more and more people that are plain morons on this stuff.
it would have taken the specie idiot seconds to look up this stuff, yet he failed miserably to know anything of this country's (and the worlds) recent history.
Is this the legacy of Blair's education, education, education policies?
I think the trouble is in his instant iPhone, Google world the full extent of his reading would be the wiki, then he's an expert, he hasn't the time to read things like book and history, he's a hipster FFS!it would have taken the specie idiot seconds to look up this stuff, yet he failed miserably to know anything of this country's (and the worlds) recent history.
Is this the legacy of Blair's education, education, education policies?
Radical Left my arse, another public school boy with a chip on his shoulder. Radical Left? Probably went to a squat once. Satirical comedian? He's not even young he's 34 years old (talking for a generation - he's not part of), and he's just managed to get on BBC3, hardly fit to shine Peter Cook's shoes, who had invented modern satire, and by 25 had opened The Establishment, was on BBC1 and had started Private Eye.
Hipster according to my iPhone - his wiki & Google(see what I've done there) he has done knack all between leaving uni, aside from a couple episodes of The Bill, a series of internships supported by mum and dad no doubt, and networking with his old school pals (which used to be called the "old boys network") probably reinvented himself out of desperation or typical pseudo middle class guilt to be a champion the downtrodden classes and to give himself a job, as a Russell Brand-lite (if that is possible) I have more time for Owen Jones, well a nano second more maybe.
Edited by Northern Munkee on Friday 1st May 10:27
I thought last night was one of the most balanced QTs we have seen in ages. All the leaders got a shafting by the audience!
Clegg, well I couldn't care less what he thinks as he broke too many promises and probably wont' even hold his seat this time around. I feel he is deluded.
Cameron was just evasive on too many questions, especially around this 12bn of cuts. He claims he has 'seen the books' so knows what is achievable but he won't give examples or figures. I have seen how the disability benefit changes have badly affected non 'scrounger' family and I'm concerned about how further cuts to disability, NHS and social support services will hit vulnerable. He needs to spell out how he would avoid this.
Miliband - by far his weakest TV performance of the election debates, he undid any good work from the last few weeks. I think this performance has actually cost him the chance to scrape into government. He was so week on the economy and the soundbite that he doesn't believe Labour spent too much last time around is just toxic really. If you are going to say that kind of thing you need to back it up with some kind of evidence, or at least highlight how the economy is currently growing less than it was when Labour left government and how the debt isn't actually falling.
Farage did quite well in his version later in the evening........ should have been included in the main show given how UKIP are polling vs the Lib dems. Not a UKIP supporter myself but I am quite sick of them being painted as the racist party. Main parties need to debate on the issues and not just try to shut down debate by screaming racism. Plus one look at Labour or the Tories and you can find numerous examples of con men, pervs, racists, etc... just doesn't get as much TV coverage as UKIP IMO.
The result of this election is likely to highlight the flaws in our electoral system. Quite likely to have a Labour government but not as the biggest single party. The Lib Dems will retain 25-30 seats and significant influence on less than 10% of the vote share, while UKIP / Greens / others fail to get any significant representation with very similar number of votes. That cannot be right.
I don't want to vote for any of these turds at the moment.
Clegg, well I couldn't care less what he thinks as he broke too many promises and probably wont' even hold his seat this time around. I feel he is deluded.
Cameron was just evasive on too many questions, especially around this 12bn of cuts. He claims he has 'seen the books' so knows what is achievable but he won't give examples or figures. I have seen how the disability benefit changes have badly affected non 'scrounger' family and I'm concerned about how further cuts to disability, NHS and social support services will hit vulnerable. He needs to spell out how he would avoid this.
Miliband - by far his weakest TV performance of the election debates, he undid any good work from the last few weeks. I think this performance has actually cost him the chance to scrape into government. He was so week on the economy and the soundbite that he doesn't believe Labour spent too much last time around is just toxic really. If you are going to say that kind of thing you need to back it up with some kind of evidence, or at least highlight how the economy is currently growing less than it was when Labour left government and how the debt isn't actually falling.
Farage did quite well in his version later in the evening........ should have been included in the main show given how UKIP are polling vs the Lib dems. Not a UKIP supporter myself but I am quite sick of them being painted as the racist party. Main parties need to debate on the issues and not just try to shut down debate by screaming racism. Plus one look at Labour or the Tories and you can find numerous examples of con men, pervs, racists, etc... just doesn't get as much TV coverage as UKIP IMO.
The result of this election is likely to highlight the flaws in our electoral system. Quite likely to have a Labour government but not as the biggest single party. The Lib Dems will retain 25-30 seats and significant influence on less than 10% of the vote share, while UKIP / Greens / others fail to get any significant representation with very similar number of votes. That cannot be right.
I don't want to vote for any of these turds at the moment.
Edited by VolvoT5 on Friday 1st May 10:32
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