Je Suis Billy Boy - Free Speech in the UK
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M3333 said:
Exactly. I wouldn't do that as i am aware it is offensive. But if someone else wanted to do it then i would just think what an idiot doing such a stupid thing. I don't see the need to stop anyone doing it if they wanted but they can deal with the consequences of their own actions.
What does trying to censor it achieve??
The exact opposite, that is what it achieves.
When are the left who seem to have so much control in this country going to grasp it?
The SNP are the party in charge of current legislation granted, but the fact that it had cross party support (you do know what that means don't you?) is the relevant factor here. Action needed to be taken, as Rangers FC, who'd tried for the past ten years or so to rid themselves of their bigoted minority tacitly admitted they could do no more to alleviate the problem, ACTION HAD TO BE TAKEN.What does trying to censor it achieve??
The exact opposite, that is what it achieves.
When are the left who seem to have so much control in this country going to grasp it?
M3333 said:
Exactly. I wouldn't do that as i am aware it is offensive. But if someone else wanted to do it then i would just think what an idiot doing such a stupid thing. I don't see the need to stop anyone doing it if they wanted but they can deal with the consequences of their own actions.
What does trying to censor it achieve??
The exact opposite, that is what it achieves.
When are the left who seem to have so much control in this country going to grasp it?
Germany has quite rigorous laws regarding Nazi paraphernalia, chants and slogans, like you say anyone who make such infringements can accept the consequences of their actions.What does trying to censor it achieve??
The exact opposite, that is what it achieves.
When are the left who seem to have so much control in this country going to grasp it?
xjsdriver said:
Nothing nutcase about my views, this goes way beyond what is politically correct or otherwise, it is a blight on Scotland. The SFA have had to take action against Rangers FC several times regarding the conduct of their "fans". It is a small minority of small minded bigoted idiots who ruin Rangers good name. It got to the stage where Rangers FC were saying we've done what we can to stop the bigots, so a decision was made to be more pro-active in the courts to stamp out the sectarian chants and singing, which has led to deaths (usually by stabbings).
It is my guess you don't live in Scotland and may not appreciate how serious the situation had become. Or if you do live in Scotland, then you are either totally blind to what's been going on, or are simply a vile apologist for such disgusting behaviour.
I've not agreed with many of your posts on the Independence thread(while respecting your right to a different opinion) but find myself agreeing with most of your statements on this thread. I think every right thinking person in Scotland regardless of political views or religious beliefs hates sectarianism. Its our nations disgrace on both sides It is my guess you don't live in Scotland and may not appreciate how serious the situation had become. Or if you do live in Scotland, then you are either totally blind to what's been going on, or are simply a vile apologist for such disgusting behaviour.
Janluke said:
I've not agreed with many of your posts on the Independence thread(while respecting your right to a different opinion) but find myself agreeing with most of your statements on this thread. I think every right thinking person in Scotland regardless of political views or religious beliefs hates sectarianism. Its our nations disgrace on both sides
I just don't think that the majority on here "get it" - they see it as just some "harmless songs", which couldn't be further from reality. The sooner the country moves on, the better.It really is a strange kettle of fish. I dont even know what's illegal.
The song? The tune? The words? Or is it only if you choose all three? And it has to be at/on the way to the football?
Can't get my head around it tbh. Not like we can start banning the word "Fenian" - it's used by the blue and green alike.
The song? The tune? The words? Or is it only if you choose all three? And it has to be at/on the way to the football?
Can't get my head around it tbh. Not like we can start banning the word "Fenian" - it's used by the blue and green alike.
xjsdriver said:
I just don't think that the majority on here "get it" - they see it as just some "harmless songs", which couldn't be further from reality. The sooner the country moves on, the better.
I haven't read every single post but I don't think I've seen anyone call it harmless.What harm does the song do? Does anyone much give a toss about the content of the tribal chants of bonebrains? My goodness that's pretty easily offended. Wouldn't you expect a bonebrain's tribal chant to be full of stupid content?
If we're going to jail stupid people for being stupid and doing stupid things like singing stupid songs we'd better build a lot of jails.
Surely the easily offended would be placated by a much lower level sentence (like a £30 fine) for singing a stupid song. Keep the jail for real offences. It's too expensive to be used for stupid song singers.
If we're going to jail stupid people for being stupid and doing stupid things like singing stupid songs we'd better build a lot of jails.
Surely the easily offended would be placated by a much lower level sentence (like a £30 fine) for singing a stupid song. Keep the jail for real offences. It's too expensive to be used for stupid song singers.
drainbrain said:
What harm does the song do? Does anyone much give a toss about the content of the tribal chants of bonebrains? My goodness that's pretty easily offended. Wouldn't you expect a bonebrain's tribal chant to be full of stupid content?
If we're going to jail stupid people for being stupid and doing stupid things like singing stupid songs we'd better build a lot of jails.
Surely the easily offended would be placated by a much lower level sentence (like a £30 fine) for singing a stupid song. Keep the jail for real offences. It's too expensive to be used for stupid song singers.
Hadn't thought about the expense - what is it to house someone in jail again? £30k-£40k a year or something? Plus court and police costs I suppose.If we're going to jail stupid people for being stupid and doing stupid things like singing stupid songs we'd better build a lot of jails.
Surely the easily offended would be placated by a much lower level sentence (like a £30 fine) for singing a stupid song. Keep the jail for real offences. It's too expensive to be used for stupid song singers.
simoid said:
It really is a strange kettle of fish. I dont even know what's illegal.
The song? The tune? The words? Or is it only if you choose all three? And it has to be at/on the way to the football?
Can't get my head around it tbh. Not like we can start banning the word "Fenian" - it's used by the blue and green alike.
So Simoid, you do condone the actions of the moronic dinosaurs who bring your football team into disrepute then? Any decent Rangers fans I know (and I do know quite a fair few) are absolutely appalled by their actions. The song? The tune? The words? Or is it only if you choose all three? And it has to be at/on the way to the football?
Can't get my head around it tbh. Not like we can start banning the word "Fenian" - it's used by the blue and green alike.
Your attitude to this speaks volumes about your character. Being a Rangers fan yourself, you really should know better. You've baselessly accused me of sectarianism before, but you've just shown yourself up as a vile apologist.
We've already established it is the context the word Fenian is used, as the word itself is not necessarily sectarian in itself. Please do not debase the debate any further than you have already.
drainbrain said:
What harm does the song do? Does anyone much give a toss about the content of the tribal chants of bonebrains? My goodness that's pretty easily offended. Wouldn't you expect a bonebrain's tribal chant to be full of stupid content?
If we're going to jail stupid people for being stupid and doing stupid things like singing stupid songs we'd better build a lot of jails.
Surely the easily offended would be placated by a much lower level sentence (like a £30 fine) for singing a stupid song. Keep the jail for real offences. It's too expensive to be used for stupid song singers.
Given the history between Catholics and Protestants in Scotland and Ireland I would say it at the very least has the potential to be harmful. But that is no reason to ban it. If anything it is better to have these discussions out in the open rather than force them underground where they can do a lot more damage.If we're going to jail stupid people for being stupid and doing stupid things like singing stupid songs we'd better build a lot of jails.
Surely the easily offended would be placated by a much lower level sentence (like a £30 fine) for singing a stupid song. Keep the jail for real offences. It's too expensive to be used for stupid song singers.
Sir Humphrey said:
Given the history between Catholics and Protestants in Scotland and Ireland I would say it at the very least has the potential to be harmful. But that is no reason to ban it. If anything it is better to have these discussions out in the open rather than force them underground where they can do a lot more damage.
If you'd lived in Scotland as long as I have, you may see things very differently indeed. As does every other right thinking person.xjsdriver said:
If you'd lived in Scotland as long as I have, you may see things very differently indeed. As does every other right thinking person.
I have no interest in protecting people from being offended. It is much better to have these discussions in public where people can see the different arguments and evidence and make up their own mind than making martyrs.Sir Humphrey said:
I have no interest in protecting people from being offended. It is much better to have these discussions in public where people can see the different arguments and evidence and make up their own mind than making martyrs.
He hasn't been made a martyr, simply been made an example of - no decent Rangers fan will mourn that fact he's been jailed, in fact they will be applauding the sentence, as he and others like him bring disrepute not only to Rangers FC, but to Scotland in general.xjsdriver said:
Sir Humphrey said:
Given the history between Catholics and Protestants in Scotland and Ireland I would say it at the very least has the potential to be harmful. But that is no reason to ban it. If anything it is better to have these discussions out in the open rather than force them underground where they can do a lot more damage.
If you'd lived in Scotland as long as I have, you may see things very differently indeed. As does every other right thinking person.As a poster a page or two back alluded to. Williamwood in my case btw.
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