Missing Woman Sarah Everard

[anonymous-user]

In terms of news, it's similar to what goes 'viral' - sometimes it's just not know and it's something that gets wide coverage.

There have been a few crimes that I thought would be major news and never got past the local paper despite being more shocking than some that do get traction.

g4ry13 said:

Why are they digging up his garden? Any police officer would know if you're going to hide something not to bury it on your own property as it will be the first place they look.

You don't make assumptions when investigating.

There are plenty of default actions to tick off depending on the initial trigger.

[berlintaxi]

BlackWidow13 said:

berlintaxi said:

BlackWidow13 said:

Coming at this from a slightly different angle:

The arrested man lives in Kent. The area around where he lives is being searched. His partner has also been arrested.

A plausible scenario is that the young woman was hit by the arrested man driving his car. He was up in town visiting friends, knows he ought not to have been, panics, bundles the body into his car and drives off.

That is a massive leap.

And yet the Sun’s story now has been updated to show his car being seized and put onto a flatbed.

That is normal standard forensic procedure.

[FourWheelDrift]

g4ry13 said:

Out of interest, why has this story got so much publicity when other people go missing and it doesn't make national news? Or is it a case that the media suspect this is going to end up in bad news soon?

I saw a lot on Twitter because she a friend of a friend of the Aston Martin F1 team communications chief Matt Bishop and he tweeted the "have you seen" notices. It's been seen by a lot of people on there who follow him or others connected who have retweeted (including people who have a lot of followers) so there's been a fair bit of activity on Twitter (and I'm sure other socials) and you know the media these days, they don't actively seek out news but just follow their noses to what's being repeated elsewhere.

[anonymous-user]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_...

[LaurasOtherHalf]

FourWheelDrift said:

g4ry13 said:

Out of interest, why has this story got so much publicity when other people go missing and it doesn't make national news? Or is it a case that the media suspect this is going to end up in bad news soon?

I saw a lot on Twitter because she a friend of a friend of the Aston Martin F1 team communications chief Matt Bishop and he tweeted the "have you seen" notices. It's been seen by a lot of people on there who follow him or others connected who have retweeted (including people who have a lot of followers) so there's been a fair bit of activity on Twitter (and I'm sure other socials) and you know the media these days, they don't actively seek out news but just follow their noses to what's being repeated elsewhere.

First I knew about it was Nathalie Pinkham retweeting. I don't buy the "why this much fuss for her anyway?" argument, she went missing at night on a routine journey, phone switched off and basically off the face of the earth with no interaction with people with whom she was in daily contact with-including close family and friends.

You don't need to be Poirot to figure out something serious is amiss and she's in trouble.

She's hardly taken off to Ibiza to get away from it all under the current circumstances has she?

[donkmeister]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

The circumstances around someone going missing are significant in the sort of attention it gets, and how much.

Someone says "I'm running away" and is then seen getting on a train, not much coverage as there are lines of investigation.
Someone figuratively vanishes into thin air, no lines of investigation, the media help by publicising it.

Are attractive white women between 18 and 40 years old more or less likely to vanish into thin air than other demographics? I honestly couldn't say. Do you know?

[hyphen]

donkmeister said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

The circumstances around someone going missing are significant in the sort of attention it gets, and how much.

Someone says "I'm running away" and is then seen getting on a train, not much coverage as there are lines of investigation.
Someone figuratively vanishes into thin air, no lines of investigation, the media help by publicising it.

Are attractive white women between 18 and 40 years old more or less likely to vanish into thin air than other demographics? I honestly couldn't say. Do you know?

Sounds like you need to join Wikipedia and contribute to the article.

[Taylor James]

donkmeister said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

The circumstances around someone going missing are significant in the sort of attention it gets, and how much.

Someone says "I'm running away" and is then seen getting on a train, not much coverage as there are lines of investigation.
Someone figuratively vanishes into thin air, no lines of investigation, the media help by publicising it.

Are attractive white women between 18 and 40 years old more or less likely to vanish into thin air than other demographics? I honestly couldn't say. Do you know?

It's the same as a stabbing between a group of nasty little non-white teenage girls in Hackney over the words in some Grime drivel. The media or the general public won't be as interested as they will be when a Rodean student kills a fellow student in a row over make up. One is commonplace and the other is rare. There's no more to it than that. If the missing woman was black in this case then subject to her having the same number of friends who could make noise the coverage would have been exactly the same.

[okgo]

Taylor James said:

If the missing woman was black in this case then subject to her having the same number of friends who could make noise the coverage would have been exactly the same.

Nah. Not a chance.

[robuk]

Joey Deacon said:

the facts so far are.

1)A 48 year old policeman has been named and charged.

What has he been charged with ? As that sounds like Joey Deacon's bullst rather than 'fact'.

[hyphen]

robuk said:

Joey Deacon said:

the facts so far are.

1)A 48 year old policeman has been named and charged.

What has he been charged with ? As that sounds like Joey Deacon's bullst rather than 'fact'.

Just arrested I think. Not charged.

[tangerine_sedge]

PurpleTurtle said:

Phone/BiB techies: two questons

1) if her phone went off abruptly, is it possible to determine all the other phones in close proximity to her at that time?

Easy answer = yes.
Longer answer = considering multiple networks provide coverage at that location, and each provider will have multiple covering cells (maybe 6 or 7), and the cells are not tightly focussed, this could end up with a large dataset of phones that were within a several hundred metres of where the object phone was. Add +/- 30 minutes to the timeframe and it gets bigger. Note that the area contains several busy roads, so you'll get a whole bunch of people just travelling through too. I could easily believe that you could end up with a dataset of several thousand phones quite easily. Caveat : I don't know how long the networks keep cell update/handover data for but I assume at least a week and maybe much longer.

PurpleTurtle said:

2) assuming the mobile backs up to the cloud (I think mine does daily) would it theoretically be possible to access the cloud data of a missing person, to determine their recent-ish online activity/things going on in their life?

Yes. I assume that the police would just apply for a warrant to clone and unlock the phone to view the recent history on social media/messaging apps etc.

[hyphen]

tangerine_sedge said:

PurpleTurtle said:

Phone/BiB techies: two questons

1) if her phone went off abruptly, is it possible to determine all the other phones in close proximity to her at that time?

Easy answer = yes.
Longer answer = considering multiple networks provide coverage at that location, and each provider will have multiple covering cells (maybe 6 or 7), and the cells are not tightly focussed, this could end up with a large dataset of phones that were within a several hundred metres of where the object phone was. Add +/- 30 minutes to the timeframe and it gets bigger. Note that the area contains several busy roads, so you'll get a whole bunch of people just travelling through too. I could easily believe that you could end up with a dataset of several thousand phones quite easily. Caveat : I don't know how long the networks keep cell update/handover data for but I assume at least a week and maybe much longer.

PurpleTurtle said:

2) assuming the mobile backs up to the cloud (I think mine does daily) would it theoretically be possible to access the cloud data of a missing person, to determine their recent-ish online activity/things going on in their life?

Yes. I assume that the police would just apply for a warrant to clone and unlock the phone to view the recent history on social media/messaging apps etc.

GCHQ and NSA have hacked/can access eveything. Period.

For anything that is considered emergency, I am sure the London Intelligence will communicate with GCHQ

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/inside-the-y...

[Taylor James]

okgo said:

Taylor James said:

If the missing woman was black in this case then subject to her having the same number of friends who could make noise the coverage would have been exactly the same.

Nah. Not a chance.

All in your mind mate.

[carinaman]

sutoka said:

Wonder if the officer is the boyfriend she supposedly spent 15 minutes on the phone with.

Wouldn't be the first Met Officer accused murder/manslaughter and certainly won't be the last. Police officers are just normal people outside of their uniform, they commit acts like normal people and that includes heinous acts.

It doesn't help when other police officers cover up and blame victims when their fellow officers commit crimes.

[tangerine_sedge]

hyphen said:

GCHQ and NSA have hacked/can access eveything. Period.

Quite a claim

hyphen said:

For anything that is considered emergency, I am sure the London Intelligence will communicate with GCHQ

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/inside-the-y...

The police will talk directly to the mobile phone companies and provide suitable warrants...

[Derek Smith]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

Magog said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14294370/sarah-evera...


Suspect Named

I really really hate this naming of suspects before they have even been charged. IF the guy is not guilty then his life is effectively over. Once convicted, fine, name shame and crucify him, but just based on an arrest? No.

Hopefully Sarah will be found safe and well.

It's a fact. I think if we go to the lengths of not allowing the media to report facts, then all hope is lost. That's what happens in totalitarian states, although not for any concern about the person identified. The police do not release names of those they've arrested and not charge in the normal course of investigations. I can't be bothered to look it up, but the last time I checked, the UK was around 28th in the table with regards to freedom of the press. We don't want even more restrictions.

'Life is over' is a hyperbolic. If he's released w/o charge then he's been eliminated from enquiries, or at the very least, there's insufficient evidence to prosecute. There's a charge for every benefit, and for a fourth estate to function effectively, it will overstep the bounds of what some people call reasonable.

[PurpleTurtle]

hyphen said:

tangerine_sedge said:

PurpleTurtle said:

Phone/BiB techies: two questons

1) if her phone went off abruptly, is it possible to determine all the other phones in close proximity to her at that time?

Easy answer = yes.
Longer answer = considering multiple networks provide coverage at that location, and each provider will have multiple covering cells (maybe 6 or 7), and the cells are not tightly focussed, this could end up with a large dataset of phones that were within a several hundred metres of where the object phone was. Add +/- 30 minutes to the timeframe and it gets bigger. Note that the area contains several busy roads, so you'll get a whole bunch of people just travelling through too. I could easily believe that you could end up with a dataset of several thousand phones quite easily. Caveat : I don't know how long the networks keep cell update/handover data for but I assume at least a week and maybe much longer.

PurpleTurtle said:

2) assuming the mobile backs up to the cloud (I think mine does daily) would it theoretically be possible to access the cloud data of a missing person, to determine their recent-ish online activity/things going on in their life?

Yes. I assume that the police would just apply for a warrant to clone and unlock the phone to view the recent history on social media/messaging apps etc.

GCHQ and NSA have hacked/can access eveything. Period.

For anything that is considered emergency, I am sure the London Intelligence will communicate with GCHQ

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/inside-the-y...

Cheers folks, interesting stuff.

[Earthdweller]

tangerine_sedge said:

hyphen said:

GCHQ and NSA have hacked/can access eveything. Period.

Quite a claim

hyphen said:

For anything that is considered emergency, I am sure the London Intelligence will communicate with GCHQ

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/inside-the-y...

The police will talk directly to the mobile phone companies and provide suitable warrants...

Each Force will have a dedicated unit within the Force Intelligence Branch that deal exclusively with mobile phones and the service providers

I don’t think there will be a need for any warrants as RIPA has the necessary authorities to do phone traces and cell site analysis which in urgent cases can be authorised verbally

Although I’m a few years out of date with current practice but I can’t see it changing too much

[anonymous-user]

PurpleTurtle said:

hyphen said:

tangerine_sedge said:

PurpleTurtle said:

Phone/BiB techies: two questons

1) if her phone went off abruptly, is it possible to determine all the other phones in close proximity to her at that time?

Easy answer = yes.
Longer answer = considering multiple networks provide coverage at that location, and each provider will have multiple covering cells (maybe 6 or 7), and the cells are not tightly focussed, this could end up with a large dataset of phones that were within a several hundred metres of where the object phone was. Add +/- 30 minutes to the timeframe and it gets bigger. Note that the area contains several busy roads, so you'll get a whole bunch of people just travelling through too. I could easily believe that you could end up with a dataset of several thousand phones quite easily. Caveat : I don't know how long the networks keep cell update/handover data for but I assume at least a week and maybe much longer.

PurpleTurtle said:

2) assuming the mobile backs up to the cloud (I think mine does daily) would it theoretically be possible to access the cloud data of a missing person, to determine their recent-ish online activity/things going on in their life?

Yes. I assume that the police would just apply for a warrant to clone and unlock the phone to view the recent history on social media/messaging apps etc.

GCHQ and NSA have hacked/can access eveything. Period.

For anything that is considered emergency, I am sure the London Intelligence will communicate with GCHQ

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/inside-the-y...

Cheers folks, interesting stuff.

The police will not be liaising with GCHQ for a standard missing persons / homicide investigation.

No warrants are needed for the level of information required.