Bull gets his own back

[DonkeyApple]

HundredthIdiot said:

colonel c said:

HundredthIdiot said:

wiggy001 said:

"fighting" a bull (that is often drugged and injured before the "sport" begins)

Any references for this?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352743,00.html

Drugged or not I can't see any honour or respect in systematically injuring and incapacitating an animal before ritualistically killing the thing. It's all just gloryfied showmanship on a level with the likes of World Wrestling Entertainment.

For the umpteenth time, this story is about recortes. Google it. It seems to be nothing more than another flavour of rodeo bull-riding. Which, whilst PETA objects to it on the basis that animals are involved in entertainment, seems fairly harmless.

Hmm, these facts could ruin a good story and prevent some people from laughing at injured people, although they could always go to a military hospital, Iraqi bazaar to find people to laugh at, there are also those spectators killed at the TT, you could wet your fking pants laughing at them. It had best be ignored.

Recortes

Recortes, a style of bullfighting practised in Navarra, La Rioja, and North of Castille, has been far less popular than the traditional corridas. There has been a recent resurgence of recortes in Spain where they are sometimes shown on TV.

Recortes claims to differ from a corrida in the following ways:

The bull is not physically injured. Drawing blood is rare and the bull returns to his pen at the end of the performance.

The men are dressed in common street clothes and not in traditional bullfighting dress.

Acrobatics are performed without the use of capes or other props. Performers attempt to evade the bull solely through the swiftness of their movements.

Rituals are less strict so the men have freedom to perform stunts as they please.

Men work in teams but with less role distinction than in a corrida.

Teams compete for points awarded by a jury.

Animal rights groups such as PETA object to recortes;[citation needed] however, some people[who?] find recortes less objectionable than traditional bullfighting since the bull survives the ordeal. Since horses are not used, and performers are not professionals, recortes are less costly to produce.

[colonel c]

HundredthIdiot said:

colonel c said:

HundredthIdiot said:

wiggy001 said:

"fighting" a bull (that is often drugged and injured before the "sport" begins)

Any references for this?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352743,00.html

Drugged or not I can't see any honour or respect in systematically injuring and incapacitating an animal before ritualistically killing the thing. It's all just gloryfied showmanship on a level with the likes of World Wrestling Entertainment.

For the umpteenth time, this story is about recortes. Google it. It seems to be nothing more than another flavour of rodeo bull-riding. Which, whilst PETA objects to it on the basis that animals are involved in entertainment, seems fairly harmless.

And there was me thinking the thread had expanded beyond the news story in the OP.

But hang-on... weren't you responding to a comment about Bullfighting involving killing the animal?

[HundredthIdiot]

colonel c said:

And there was me thinking the thread had expanded beyond the news story in the OP.

But hang-on... weren't you responding to a comment about Bullfighting involving killing the animal?

I was responding to a post by wiggy001 in which he wrote:

wiggy001 said:

"Taunting and "fighting" a bull (that is often drugged and injured before the "sport" begins) for entertainment is pretty disgusting behaviour in my mind, and ranks right up there with fox hunting, cock fighting, badger baiting and dog fights. Just because, in this instance, the bull wasn't going to be killed originally (but still was) doesn't make it any better.

Those that take part are scum and it's just a shame many, many more are not injured in their pursuits.

Yes, I did laugh out loud at this. I only stopped laughing when I realised the bull was needlessly killed anyway.

So no, the thread hasn't "expanded". It's the usual PH sh!t of people posting the first thing that comes into their tiny little brains whilst having absolutely no f'cking clue what they're talking about.

Edited by HundredthIdiot on Friday 20th August 14:29

[colonel c]

HundredthIdiot said:

So no, the thread hasn't "expanded".

Well you could have fooled me.

[Halb]

HundredthIdiot said:

Rusty Arches said:

HundredthIdiot said:

Rusty Arches said:

I did, just as I'd laugh if I heard of a story about some chavs getting mauled at a dog fight

In this style of "bullfighting" the bull is not physically injured.

Do you really think that some men being chased around by a bull is the same as two dogs ripping each other to shreds?

All part of the same culture. fking savages.

Dog-fighting chavs are part of your culture.

It's underground sub-culture, not part of the main, unless you are stating that Rusty Arches is a sub-human chav?

[Halb]

DonkeyApple said:

wiggy001 said:

Taunting and "fighting" a bull (that is often drugged and injured before the "sport" begins) for entertainment is pretty disgusting behaviour in my mind, and ranks right up there with fox hunting, cock fighting, badger baiting and dog fights. Just because, in this instance, the bull wasn't going to be killed originally (but still was) doesn't make it any better.

Those that take part are scum and it's just a shame many, many more are not injured in their pursuits.

Yes, I did laugh out loud at this. I only stopped laughing when I realised the bull was needlessly killed anyway.

And no, I'm not a left-wing greeny (far from it in fact). I just don't derive any pleasure from the suffering of animals, and cannot understand anyone that does. If people need to abuse animals in order to feel macho then I feel sorry for them.

Incredible. To wish pain and injury on people who don't conform to your beliefs.

Animal hurt through human celebration of animal cruelty, cry. Human hurt due to same animal cruelty going wrong, laugh. Rule Britannia.

EFA
More to do with the PH MO of taking responsibility for your actions, and if you wish to use animals for your own amusement, be prepared for any consequences

[DonkeyApple]

Halb said:

DonkeyApple said:

wiggy001 said:

Taunting and "fighting" a bull (that is often drugged and injured before the "sport" begins) for entertainment is pretty disgusting behaviour in my mind, and ranks right up there with fox hunting, cock fighting, badger baiting and dog fights. Just because, in this instance, the bull wasn't going to be killed originally (but still was) doesn't make it any better.

Those that take part are scum and it's just a shame many, many more are not injured in their pursuits.

Yes, I did laugh out loud at this. I only stopped laughing when I realised the bull was needlessly killed anyway.

And no, I'm not a left-wing greeny (far from it in fact). I just don't derive any pleasure from the suffering of animals, and cannot understand anyone that does. If people need to abuse animals in order to feel macho then I feel sorry for them.

Incredible. To wish pain and injury on people who don't conform to your beliefs.

Animal hurt through human celebration of animal cruelty, cry. Human hurt due to same animal cruelty going wrong, laugh. Rule Britannia.

EFA
More to do with the PH MO of taking responsibility for your actions, and if you wish to use animals for your own amusement, be prepared for any consequences

I couldn't agree more re being responsible for the choices you make. That would become especially relevant if any injured party then attempted to sue afterwards etc.

But actually relishing and gleaning personal delight from another human being injured because you happen disagree with their view is frighteningly primative and really is beneath contempt. That is shameful and very sad.

If someone who disagreed with motorsport and laughed at spectators being injured at an event how would these same people react? Some serious reflection of where people have gone wrong with their lives is in order.

[Halb]

DonkeyApple said:

Halb said:

DonkeyApple said:

wiggy001 said:

Taunting and "fighting" a bull (that is often drugged and injured before the "sport" begins) for entertainment is pretty disgusting behaviour in my mind, and ranks right up there with fox hunting, cock fighting, badger baiting and dog fights. Just because, in this instance, the bull wasn't going to be killed originally (but still was) doesn't make it any better.

Those that take part are scum and it's just a shame many, many more are not injured in their pursuits.

Yes, I did laugh out loud at this. I only stopped laughing when I realised the bull was needlessly killed anyway.

And no, I'm not a left-wing greeny (far from it in fact). I just don't derive any pleasure from the suffering of animals, and cannot understand anyone that does. If people need to abuse animals in order to feel macho then I feel sorry for them.

Incredible. To wish pain and injury on people who don't conform to your beliefs.

Animal hurt through human celebration of animal cruelty, cry. Human hurt due to same animal cruelty going wrong, laugh. Rule Britannia.

EFA
More to do with the PH MO of taking responsibility for your actions, and if you wish to use animals for your own amusement, be prepared for any consequences

I couldn't agree more re being responsible for the choices you make. That would become especially relevant if any injured party then attempted to sue afterwards etc.

But actually relishing and gleaning personal delight from another human being injured because you happen disagree with their view is frighteningly primative and really is beneath contempt. That is shameful and very sad.

If someone who disagreed with motorsport and laughed at spectators being injured at an event how would these same people react? Some serious reflection of where people have gone wrong with their lives is in order.

Motor spot doesn't rely on using animals as playthings, so many wouldn't see the comparison. Manipulating a piece of metal specially designed and fit for purpose isn't the same as tormenting another animal in a pen. When small kids are hit by blowback by tormenting animals, it is seen as just desserts, same here. Personally I see that as primitive, and using animals as playthings is also in my opinion beneath contempt etc.

Edited by Halb on Friday 20th August 18:01

[otolith]

There are some (ignorant bigots) who would say that motorsport squanders fossil fuels, pollutes the atmosphere and encourages an irresponsible attitude to road driving leading to death and injury on the roads. Are they justified in celebrating when participants and spectators get hurt?

[remedy]

You're gonna need light year measurements to measure the distance between those two parallels.

[Parsnip]

remedy said:

You're gonna need light year measurements to measure the distance between those two parallels.

Not really, in both cases there is a situation which some people do not agree with (be it bullfighting or motorsport) - just because you cannot see the other side's perspective, doesn't mean your justification is any more valid.

Disagreeing with bullfighting and finding humour in people getting injured is exactly the same as people disagreeing with motorsport and finding humour in people getting injured - both utterly vile things to do.

Just because you think that motorsport is justifiable and bullfighting is not does not make it so - its a matter of opinion.

Feeling glad that this happened or finding it funny shows a lot more about you as a person than just your views on bullfighting.

[carmonk]

Parsnip said:

remedy said:

You're gonna need light year measurements to measure the distance between those two parallels.

Just because you think that motorsport is justifiable and bullfighting is not does not make it so - its a matter of opinion.

Morality is based entirely on matters of opinion so I don't think you'll get far with that argument.

[Stevenj214]

Parsnip said:

Disagreeing with bullfighting and finding humour in people getting injured is exactly the same as people disagreeing with motorsport and finding humour in people getting injured - both utterly vile things to do.

How about disagreeing with housebreaking and stealing and finding humour in burglars who get injured in the process?

[remedy]

Come on, that's the same as bull fighting!