Cummings and goings...
Discussion
JagLover said:
APontus said:
What did make me chuckle was the architect of the Vote Leave campaign admitting to misleading people and being seemingly ambivalent (in fact didn't even know) as to whether Brexit was a good thing or not.
It seems to be more that he keeps an open mind about it and the motivations of those who supported the "other side". Cummings said:
I think anyone who says they’re sure about questions like that [Brexit] has got a screw loose, whether you’re on the remain side or our side. I think one of the reasons why we won is precisely, in Vote Leave we didn’t think that we’re definitely right and Remainers are all idiots or traitors or anything else… we never thought like that in, then and still don’t and I don’t know. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say Brexit was a mistake and the little, the history will, will, will prove that, of course it’s reasonable for some people to, to think that.
Unknown_User said:
Garvin said:
Correct. Cummings took arrogance and narcissism to a whole new level. LK didn’t seem to like him from the off but that inexorably developed to disgust as the interview went on, she seemed unable to comprehend how he, or any one else, could utter such things in private, let alone on camera.
Cummings may come to rue this interview as I doubt even the BBC will show any sympathy for him or his approach from now on if, indeed, half of it wasn’t made up b
ks. It will be a brave, nay stupid, individual who puts their head above the parapet to make political points from this interview. It will be interesting to see the general public’s take on this, if indeed they can be bothered to form one.
Does anyone really think Gove or anyone else will take this unhinged madman anywhere near government from now on?
Seriously, what interview did you watch? Cummings may come to rue this interview as I doubt even the BBC will show any sympathy for him or his approach from now on if, indeed, half of it wasn’t made up b
ks. It will be a brave, nay stupid, individual who puts their head above the parapet to make political points from this interview. It will be interesting to see the general public’s take on this, if indeed they can be bothered to form one.Does anyone really think Gove or anyone else will take this unhinged madman anywhere near government from now on?
- You didn’t think Cummings was arrogant if narcisstic in the slightest.
- You think LK actually liked Cummings and thought all his responses were reasonable and totally believable.
- You think the BBC will press forward with an agenda based on the content of this interview.
- You think Cummings didn’t embellish anything at all.
- You think Cummings will be taken back advising a Conservative government in the future.
- You are willing to try and make political capital out of this interview.
On the latter point, I rest my case.
Unknown_User said:
Kuenssberg is a blatant Bozza/tory fan so probably not the best person to interview DomCum but the BBC is now controlled by the tory Gov so to be expected I guess.
Mr Tidy said:
The main problem seems to the Tory Gov hating BBC giving him a platform
Quite funny to read two posters coming away with polar opposite views.Suggests to me that Cummings didn't say what either of you wanted/liked him to say.
Tuna said:
Unknown_User said:
Kuenssberg is a blatant Bozza/tory fan so probably not the best person to interview DomCum but the BBC is now controlled by the tory Gov so to be expected I guess.
Mr Tidy said:
The main problem seems to the Tory Gov hating BBC giving him a platform
Quite funny to read two posters coming away with polar opposite views.Suggests to me that Cummings didn't say what either of you wanted/liked him to say.
And you do know that the BBC Chairman has donated over £400,000.00 to the tory Party don't you!
Pesky lefties and their BBC takeover!
DeejRC said:
I’ve bad news for you…the leader of the Tory party, be they newly elected PM or not, is decided by the grandees of the Tory party. The semi mythical grey men of the Tory Party. They decide when it’s time for the leader to go and who is encouraged to step up. Dom was discussing the same thing.
Amusingly the ruthless efficiency of the Tory central office is exactly what Blair, Campbell & Mandy intended to replicate with the New Labour Millbank operation.
Thats the party system for a party people voted for. It's not some advisor stabbing his boss in the back straight away. Poliitical parties have a strange way of working, and idiology over being popular is a virtue few can afford (ask any member of the labour party right now in the wake of Corbyn). The way I saw it, it wasn't "I was approached to discuss how to remove him.." it was "and I started to canvas opnion on how we could topple him.." which is entirely different especially when you're a civil servant. Amusingly the ruthless efficiency of the Tory central office is exactly what Blair, Campbell & Mandy intended to replicate with the New Labour Millbank operation.
Kuenssberg showed her cards when she described Boris as having a "childhood fantasy to become prime minister" in the leadership race. Childhood dream I could accept, but come on.. she's hardly warm to him or even insightful in her questioning. If she's helped set the tone of the BBC reporting on the whole of Covid then she's done plenty to destroy the BBCs reputation of critical journalism.
Edited by Heres Johnny on Wednesday 21st July 10:00
633Squadron said:
Cummings is saying anything now simply to keep his subscription gravy train in business.
Quite, but the more he says the less I can envisage anyone ever wanting to employ, let alone even be associated with him. He's clearly toxic, whether you agree with all or anything he says or not.Digga said:
633Squadron said:
Cummings is saying anything now simply to keep his subscription gravy train in business.
Quite, but the more he says the less I can envisage anyone ever wanting to employ, let alone even be associated with him. He's clearly toxic, whether you agree with all or anything he says or not.633Squadron said:
Digga said:
633Squadron said:
Cummings is saying anything now simply to keep his subscription gravy train in business.
Quite, but the more he says the less I can envisage anyone ever wanting to employ, let alone even be associated with him. He's clearly toxic, whether you agree with all or anything he says or not.Unknown_User said:
You do know that the BBC Director General used to be the deputy chairman of H&F Conservatives don't you!
And you do know that the BBC Chairman has donated over £400,000.00 to the tory Party don't you!
Pesky lefties and their BBC takeover!
I was more referring to you thinking Kuenssberg loved Cummings, and others thinking she despised him.And you do know that the BBC Chairman has donated over £400,000.00 to the tory Party don't you!
Pesky lefties and their BBC takeover!
As for the paranoia over the BBC DG - do you think he had any editorial input whatsoever into Cummings interview? Really?
And yet, and yet - he was the influence behind “get Brexit done” which I suspect many were advocates for, in this forum.
He was not proposing himself for PM, Mr Tidy, but the arrogance of the statements that “we” were considering replacing BJ is astonishing. Delusions of Machiavellian grandeur… or were they only delusions at the time?
How the (self believed) mighty have fallen.
He was not proposing himself for PM, Mr Tidy, but the arrogance of the statements that “we” were considering replacing BJ is astonishing. Delusions of Machiavellian grandeur… or were they only delusions at the time?
How the (self believed) mighty have fallen.
Heres Johnny said:
DeejRC said:
I’ve bad news for you…the leader of the Tory party, be they newly elected PM or not, is decided by the grandees of the Tory party. The semi mythical grey men of the Tory Party. They decide when it’s time for the leader to go and who is encouraged to step up. Dom was discussing the same thing.
Amusingly the ruthless efficiency of the Tory central office is exactly what Blair, Campbell & Mandy intended to replicate with the New Labour Millbank operation.
Thats the party system for a party people voted for. It's not some advisor stabbing his boss in the back straight away. Poliitical parties have a strange way of working, and idiology over being popular is a virtue few can afford (ask any member of the labour party right now in the wake of Corbyn). The way I saw it, it wasn't "I was approached to discuss how to remove him.." it was "and I started to canvas opnion on how we could topple him.." which is entirely different especially when you're a civil servant. Amusingly the ruthless efficiency of the Tory central office is exactly what Blair, Campbell & Mandy intended to replicate with the New Labour Millbank operation.
Kuenssberg showed her cards when she described Boris as having a "childhood fantasy to become prime minister" in the leadership race. Childhood dream I could accept, but come on.. she's hardly warm to him or even insightful in her questioning. If she's helped set the tone of the BBC reporting on the whole of Covid then she's done plenty to destroy the BBCs reputation of critical journalism.
Edited by Heres Johnny on Wednesday 21st July 10:00
This whole thing, from when he appeared in front of the committee in May, to these BBC interviews is Dom on a job for someone. Its being a damn sight better run job than the govt is currently doing!
Garvin said:
Tuna said:
I didn't watch it... from the lack of gloating do I assume that Cummings' hasn't turned out to be the saviour/whistle-blower that some people hoped he would be?
Correct. Cummings took arrogance and narcissism to a whole new level. LK didn’t seem to like him from the off but that inexorably developed to disgust as the interview went on, she seemed unable to comprehend how he, or any one else, could utter such things in private, let alone on camera.Cummings may come to rue this interview as I doubt even the BBC will show any sympathy for him or his approach from now on if, indeed, half of it wasn’t made up b
ks. It will be a brave, nay stupid, individual who puts their head above the parapet to make political points from this interview. It will be interesting to see the general public’s take on this, if indeed they can be bothered to form one.Does anyone really think Gove or anyone else will take this unhinged madman anywhere near government from now on?
LK definitely likes the limelight. There was something about the wide shot of the mirrored lighting and mic setup before they got into it that struck me as intentionally placing her as an equal part of the show.
The sharpest question for me, however she quite phrased it, was why did he use the method of slinging all the personal, unsubstantiated mud he could instead of keeping to some salient key points that could be validated and demonstrate he was making a more objective, less emotional argument.
He plays the scorned lover a bit too naturally and seems to be undoing his reputation for having a shrewd political mind.
Tuna said:
Unknown_User said:
You do know that the BBC Director General used to be the deputy chairman of H&F Conservatives don't you!
And you do know that the BBC Chairman has donated over £400,000.00 to the tory Party don't you!
Pesky lefties and their BBC takeover!
I was more referring to you thinking Kuenssberg loved Cummings, and others thinking she despised him.And you do know that the BBC Chairman has donated over £400,000.00 to the tory Party don't you!
Pesky lefties and their BBC takeover!
As for the paranoia over the BBC DG - do you think he had any editorial input whatsoever into Cummings interview? Really?
And nowhere have I said I think Kuenssberg loved DomCum. She is no Andrew Neil, she didn't hold him to account and I believe her questioning was lightweight.
Do you think the BBC Chairman was parachuted in to make sure the BBC held the Gov to account? (2 can play at that game!).
As I have already said, you really do have to watch the interview if you want to make an impartial opinion on it but that's not as much fun as picking holes in the opinions of the PH tory
ETA - I would like to see what was agreed between the BBC/Kuenssburg and DomCum to get the interview in the first place.
Unknown_User said:
Do you think the BBC Chairman was parachuted in to make sure the BBC held the Gov to account? (2 can play at that game!)..
What, the game of avoiding answering a question? Nope, I don't want to play that one.I think the DG was put in place to try to curb some of the (perceived) bias in the BBC.
Given that Cummings interview went ahead, I don't think he is exercising editorial control of individual programmes. Apparently you do, but can't admit it.
Tuna said:
Unknown_User said:
Do you think the BBC Chairman was parachuted in to make sure the BBC held the Gov to account? (2 can play at that game!)..
What, the game of avoiding answering a question? Nope, I don't want to play that one.I think the DG was put in place to try to curb some of the (perceived) bias in the BBC.
Given that Cummings interview went ahead, I don't think he is exercising editorial control of individual programmes. Apparently you do, but can't admit it.
Unknown_User said:
She is no Andrew Neil, she didn't hold him to account and I believe her questioning was lightweight.
She was dreadful. I used to quite like her, but she's been useless thru the pandemic. People say the BBC is biased, and anti Tory. Well I'm not seeing it. And of course, they should be biased and anti Tony, because the Tories are in power, and the BBC should always adopt a position of holding the govt to account. They should be anti whoever is in charge. The ridiculous argument she got into over the £350m a week on the Brexit bus. It was the figure before the rebates so a lie, but DC says it was the figure going to the EU, so it wasn't a lie, although it wasn't the net figure. But the bus said that £350m would go to the NHS instead. So it never could, as we weren't paying a net £350m a week to the EU to divert to the NHS, so that was definitely a lie.
She at least mentioned the fact that the Barnard Castle trip took place on his wife's birthday, which was never mentioned in the rose garden, but didn't press him on it, that that was the real reason for the trip. And of course no mention as to why his wife couldn't have driven back, as she was now fully recovered.
He has alluded in the [past to his wife "not wanting to drive his car as it was a big 4x4 type thing". Who gives a f
king fk what she likes. People didn't like not being at their dying parents bedside, but put up with it. There was a national emergency on, she should have put her discomfort aside and driven the fking car.Of course, the whole thing was a lie, the trip to Barnard Castle was a jolly trip out for his wife's birthday.
Cummings is a scumbag, who was recruited by scumbags to work for scumbags. He was sacked by a scumbag, so being a scumbag, he's now fighting back at the scumbags.
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