Cummings and goings...

[JeffreyD]

The reason she was dreadful is that she is part of the game they are playing.

They are all mates in this together.

[biggbn]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Unknown_User said:

She is no Andrew Neil, she didn't hold him to account and I believe her questioning was lightweight.

She was dreadful. I used to quite like her, but she's been useless thru the pandemic. People say the BBC is biased, and anti Tory. Well I'm not seeing it. And of course, they should be biased and anti Tony, because the Tories are in power, and the BBC should always adopt a position of holding the govt to account. They should be anti whoever is in charge.

The ridiculous argument she got into over the £350m a week on the Brexit bus. It was the figure before the rebates so a lie, but DC says it was the figure going to the EU, so it wasn't a lie, although it wasn't the net figure. But the bus said that £350m would go to the NHS instead. So it never could, as we weren't paying a net £350m a week to the EU to divert to the NHS, so that was definitely a lie.

She at least mentioned the fact that the Barnard Castle trip took place on his wife's birthday, which was never mentioned in the rose garden, but didn't press him on it, that that was the real reason for the trip. And of course no mention as to why his wife couldn't have driven back, as she was now fully recovered.

He has alluded in the [past to his wife "not wanting to drive his car as it was a big 4x4 type thing". Who gives a fking fk what she likes. People didn't like not being at their dying parents bedside, but put up with it. There was a national emergency on, she should have put her discomfort aside and driven the fking car.

Of course, the whole thing was a lie, the trip to Barnard Castle was a jolly trip out for his wife's birthday.

Cummings is a scumbag, who was recruited by scumbags to work for scumbags. He was sacked by a scumbag, so being a scumbag, he's now fighting back at the scumbags.

Love that last part! Re Kuensberg, I recall her being particularly vitriolic against Corbyn whenever gifted an opportunity, hard to know where she lies on the political spectrum, she seemed particularly chummy with Boris in a documentary I watched...perhaps she is trying to emulate Humphries et Al in giving everyone the st end of the stick and in going so missing all her marks?

[Garvin]

JeffreyD said:

The reason she was dreadful is that she is part of the game they are playing.

They are all mates in this together.

That’s a paranoid step too far. They are not all mates together but they are all playing their own little games.

LK has been seduced (probably by her seniors or, perhaps, her own ambition) not to report factually the political news or even clearly spell out an objective analysis of the key issues. She has fallen into the trap of going after the story that will get most viewers and ensuring any commentary does the same. It is the inexorable demise of MSM into the gutter.

[JeffreyD]

Garvin said:

That’s a paranoid step too far. They are not all mates together but they are all playing their own little games.

LK has been seduced (probably by her seniors or, perhaps, her own ambition) not to report factually the political news or even clearly spell out an objective analysis of the key issues. She has fallen into the trap of going after the story that will get most viewers and ensuring any commentary does the same. It is the inexorable demise of MSM into the gutter.

The interview was a charade.
And she's taking the piss if she expects us to believe otherwise.

[Tuna]

JeffreyD said:

The interview was a charade.
And she's taking the piss if she expects us to believe otherwise.

That's code for "I wanted it to confirm all the things I believe about the government, but it didn't."

I'm really no fan of Kuenssberg, but Cummings is not as big a deal as he thinks he is, and the "awful truth" about the government is a lot more mundane than you think it is.

[JeffreyD]

Tuna said:

That's code for "I wanted it to confirm all the things I believe about the government, but it didn't."

I'm really no fan of Kuenssberg, but Cummings is not as big a deal as he thinks he is, and the "awful truth" about the government is a lot more mundane than you think it is.

Cummings has been feeding Kuennssberg her lines for years.

[Maximus Decimus Meridius]

Tuna said:

JeffreyD said:

The interview was a charade.
And she's taking the piss if she expects us to believe otherwise.

That's code for "I wanted it to confirm all the things I believe about the government, but it didn't."

I'm really no fan of Kuenssberg, but Cummings is not as big a deal as he thinks he is, and the "awful truth" about the government is a lot more mundane than you think it is.

I think Cummings was pretty clear. He says change is needed to the political system. I agree with him 100% there.

What you have currently is an elite boys/ girls club who are only interested in helping themselves and their friends. Cummings says lots of them are incompetent and unfit for office. He is also scathing of Whitehall in general.

If there was a message to be taken away from the interview it is that.
The rest is all noise.

[Pit Pony]

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/why-are-you-such-a-tt-and-five-other-questions-dominic-cummings-should-have-been-asked-20210721210377




I think this link sums it up for most people.

It broken probably.

Edited by Pit Pony on Wednesday 21st July 15:12

Because of the word beginning with t and ending in t with an A and a w in the middle.

Edited by Pit Pony on Wednesday 21st July 15:13

[biggbn]

Maximus Decimus Meridius said:

I think Cummings was pretty clear. He says change is needed to the political system. I agree with him 100% there.

What you have currently is an elite boys/ girls club who are only interested in helping themselves and their friends. Cummings says lots of them are incompetent and unfit for office. He is also scathing of Whitehall in general.

If there was a message to be taken away from the interview it is that.
The rest is all noise.

100% agreed.

[Unknown_User]

JeffreyD said:

Tuna said:

That's code for "I wanted it to confirm all the things I believe about the government, but it didn't."

I'm really no fan of Kuenssberg, but Cummings is not as big a deal as he thinks he is, and the "awful truth" about the government is a lot more mundane than you think it is.

Cummings has been feeding Kuennssberg her lines for years.

And with Bozza's support when DomCum was in flavour of the month.

[Murph7355]

Maximus Decimus Meridius said:

I think Cummings was pretty clear. He says change is needed to the political system. I agree with him 100% there.

What you have currently is an elite boys/ girls club who are only interested in helping themselves and their friends. Cummings says lots of them are incompetent and unfit for office. He is also scathing of Whitehall in general.

If there was a message to be taken away from the interview it is that.
The rest is all noise.

It's hard to disagree with Cummings on that particular point, and he was in as a disruptor as I saw it. He evidently became too disruptive, unfortunately...so quite evidently not as clever as he thinks he is.

The problem is how do we (the electorate) go about changing what we have and from which end? And is it the people in Government who are the most problematic, or those in government? I suspect the latter as we've had dross governing for a long time...but then the former need to be more savvy about instigating change rather than the evident bull in a china shop method.

What I've continued to struggle with over the last 18mths is why the communications are so poor. Are the general public really stupid enough to get bent out of shape about, for example, the alleged "80 yr olds" comment? So incapable of understanding and accepting context?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Maximus Decimus Meridius said:

I think Cummings was pretty clear. He says change is needed to the political system. I agree with him 100% there.

What you have currently is an elite boys/ girls club who are only interested in helping themselves and their friends. Cummings says lots of them are incompetent and unfit for office. He is also scathing of Whitehall in general.

If there was a message to be taken away from the interview it is that.
The rest is all noise.

But change it to what? He was basically an unelected lying scumbag who wielded far too much power. So much so that he was having serious conversations with others of his ilk to remove from power an elected lying scumbag. I'm not sold on that being a change for the better.

[Maximus Decimus Meridius]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Maximus Decimus Meridius said:

I think Cummings was pretty clear. He says change is needed to the political system. I agree with him 100% there.

What you have currently is an elite boys/ girls club who are only interested in helping themselves and their friends. Cummings says lots of them are incompetent and unfit for office. He is also scathing of Whitehall in general.

If there was a message to be taken away from the interview it is that.
The rest is all noise.

But change it to what? He was basically an unelected lying scumbag who wielded far too much power. So much so that he was having serious conversations with others of his ilk to remove from power an elected lying scumbag. I'm not sold on that being a change for the better.

I don't think Cummings was advocating a dictatorship with him in charge. Rather politicians who work for the electorate and do what the populous want.
What we appear to have now are incompetent "morons" whose only aim is to climb the greasy pole within their parties and get whatever they can out of the system/ their position.
Johnson is particularly brazen. There are many more like him. The list of dodgy deals and dubious appointments is long. Very long.

[cuprabob]

I think he's just on the wind up...
Laura K was struggling to hide how much she hates him in that interview.

[CoolHands]

biggbn said:

Maximus Decimus Meridius said:

I think Cummings was pretty clear. He says change is needed to the political system. I agree with him 100% there.

What you have currently is an elite boys/ girls club who are only interested in helping themselves and their friends. Cummings says lots of them are incompetent and unfit for office. He is also scathing of Whitehall in general.

If there was a message to be taken away from the interview it is that.
The rest is all noise.

100% agreed.

We can all criticise like that, it’s hardly a revelation. He is one of the elite and basically he should shut his trap & fk off. He’s just a massive prick who thinks himself great.

[biggbn]

I think many overlook the fact rhat the Tory party was just a convenient Trojan horse for Cummings who has a genuine dislike of the way our Government and civil service is run and runs things in turn. He is an apolitical intellectual anarchist who should never have been trusted, buy at least he has been consistent about his agenda...yet Boris and co still put him in a position of trust and responsibility. One wonders whose judgement should be commented upon here? Cummings never had, and never will have any loyalty to these people, and of they believed he did, or should, they are/were delusional. His comments on 'so what if its personal' and the reality of brexit were priceless. The whole scenario always puts me in mind of this...


https://youtu.be/-P70hbHBdl0

And this, the musical version...


https://youtu.be/ULx9k2QkL94

[turbobloke]

biggbn said:

I think many overlook the fact rhat the Tory party was just a convenient Trojan horse for Cummings who has a genuine dislike of the way our Government and civil service is run and runs things in turn. He is an apolitical intellectual anarchist who should never have been trusted, buy at least he has been consistent about his agenda...yet Boris and co still put him in a position of trust and responsibility. One wonders whose judgement should be commented upon here?

Yes indeed, good point.

[APontus]

biggbn said:

I think many overlook the fact rhat the Tory party was just a convenient Trojan horse for Cummings

Absolutely this. Cummings doesn't try to hide it. He has no political ideology.

We (Tory voters greedy for success) were all hoodwinked.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Maximus Decimus Meridius said:

I don't think Cummings was advocating a dictatorship with him in charge. Rather politicians who work for the electorate and do what the populous want.

Christ, the last thing we should be doing is what the populous want. The populous should get a say every 4 or 5 years in deciding who should run the country in the best way the people they decide should be running the country think it should be run. But ffs, don't ask the populous to run the country. Most of them couldn't run a bath.

We still have to put nut allergy warmings on bags of nuts, ffs. And "do not eat" warnings on rat poison. 90% of the population are so dense, they are damn lucky they get a vote at all.

[biggbn]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Maximus Decimus Meridius said:

I don't think Cummings was advocating a dictatorship with him in charge. Rather politicians who work for the electorate and do what the populous want.

Christ, the last thing we should be doing is what the populous want. The populous should get a say every 4 or 5 years in deciding who should run the country in the best way the people they decide should be running the country think it should be run. But ffs, don't ask the populous to run the country. Most of them couldn't run a bath.

We still have to put nut allergy warmings on bags of nuts, ffs. And "do not eat" warnings on rat poison. 90% of the population are so dense, they are damn lucky they get a vote at all.

I'm sure Churchill quipped the best argument against democracy is to spend 15 minutes in the company of a member of the public...and if he didn't he should have....