45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 9)

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 9)

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Byker28i

61,775 posts

219 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Interesting Columbia University study on how the Cares act lifted 18m out of poverty in April, but even with that another 1.7% have fallen into poverty

The monthly poverty rate increased from 15% to 16.7% from February to September
2020, even after taking the CARES Act’s income transfers into account. Increases in
monthly poverty rates have been particularly acute for Black and Hispanic individuals,
as well as for children.

In April and May, the CARES Act was successful in offsetting potential increases in
monthly poverty, but was not successful at preventing a rise in deep poverty, defined
as having monthly income lower than half the monthly poverty threshold.

The CARES Act’s stimulus checks and unemployment benefits lifted more than 18
million individuals out of monthly poverty in April, but this number fell to around 4
million individuals in August and September after the expiration of the $600 per week
unemployment supplement.

Due to the expiration of the CARES Act’s stimulus checks and $600 per week
supplement to unemployment benefits, the monthly poverty rate in September was
higher than rates during April or May, and also higher than pre-crisis levels.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5743308460b...

Byker28i

61,775 posts

219 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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The Justice Department Monday announced an indictment against six Russia GRU officers charged with engaging in a series of hacking and malware deployment operations to attack other countries' infrastructure, elections and other actions designed to further Russia's interests.

The indictment specifically accuses the six alleged hackers of engaging in computer intrusions "intended to support Russian government efforts to undermine, retaliate against or otherwise destabilize" Ukraine, Georgia, elections in France, the 2018 PyeongChang Olympic Games and international efforts to hold Russia accountable for its use of the nerve agent Novichok on foreign soil.

According to the Justice Department, several members of the same military group were previously charged for their role in Russia's efforts to interfere in the 2016 election, though the allegations in Monday's indictment do not relate to U.S. election interference.

U.S. officials at virtual press conference at DOJ described the hacking campaign as among "the most destructive and costly cyber-attacks in history," dealing with "some of the world's most destructive malware to date."

Assistant Attorney General for National Security John Demers argued the allegations prove why the U.S. should ignore a recent offer extended by Russia calling for a cyber "reset" between the two countries.

"This indictment lays bare Russia’s use of its cyber capabilities to destabilize and interfere with the domestic political and economic systems of other countries, thus providing a cold reminder of why its proposal is nothing more than dishonest rhetoric and cynical and cheap propaganda," Demers said.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-announces-char...

More details from the DOJ here.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/six-russian-gru-off...

kowalski655

14,741 posts

145 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Byker28i said:
Stuff about the rape allegation
This could be interesting with Barrett on the SCOTUS. She specifically denied a rape victim millions n compo because her rapist, a prison jailer, was acting outside his duty /job description, so he was NOT counted as a government employee(who would then have to pay the $$)
And :“There is not a single person in the United States — not the president and not anyone else — whose job description includes slandering women they sexually assaulted,” Ms. Carroll’s lawyers wrote."

amusingduck

9,403 posts

138 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Electro1980 said:
So your argument is that Dems are going to loose by pointing out how much of a st show everything Trump does is, and that this is bad because Trump does so much st stuff that bringing it up is meaningless?

If you think Dems are going to loose you haven’t looked at the current polling or reaction to Trump in the US. Republican politicians are saying to vote Dem. Biden is WAY ahead. The risk at the moment is that the Dems won’t take the senate too meaning the evil little turtle will obstruct everything the Biden government does and then scream “look! Rubbish Dems doing nothing”.
Fortunately, I stumbled across a reddit post last night that I think explains it better than I could. Bold is the title, not emphasis.


reddit said:
Change My View: As an anti-Trump voter, all the nitpicking at President Trump's little shortcomings (e.g. held a Bible the wrong way, overweight, how he gave money wrong at church) is extremely counterproductive, distracts from the real issues, and feeds the narrative that he's treated unfairly.
I saw a video today of President Trump giving some money at church in Las Vegas. The entire article was about how he fanned the money out in a showy display.

Full disclosure: I think President Trump is an embarassment and a destructive force who NEEDS to be voted out of office for the sake of the USA and the world at large. But I watched the video and thought: he did nothing wrong here. He MIGHT have intended to "show off" the ~$60 he put in the plate...but he could have just been checking how much was in his hand or fidgeting as anyone else would do. He certainly could afford to give more, but many people don't give as much money as normal (or any at all--which is fine!) when they are visiting a church. Nothing he did in the video was objectionable, and yet the article took a bunch of shots at him based on how he held his money, how little he gave, what may have been going on in his mind--a bunch of cheap shots, but more importantly, all regarding something pretty insignificant.

The problem with this kind of cheap piling on (and I could give a hundred examples) is that it's unfair and mean, and so it very much justifies the President's supporters pointing out unfair treatment, which leads to further entrenching their support of him. Furthermore, it dilutes out and de-emphasizes all of his horrible behavior, lapses in ethics, and the terrible amount of REAL damage he's done.

If we really want to change minds and vote him out of office--instead of having another Democrat popular vote win and a "too close to call" electoral college victory (for one side or the other)--we should focus on the much more significant and real damage he has done. This would help by (1) enabling much broader agreement on a set of facts; (2) avoid causing supporters of the President to dig in defensively for no reason; (3) focus on the real issues.
The two big points for me being "it dilutes out and de-emphasizes all of his horrible behavior" + "and I could give a hundred examples"

Old Man Fred

821 posts

91 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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unrepentant said:
It's extraordinary to see the number of musicians who have come out and opposed Trump to the point of demanding he not use their music or even issuing cease and desist letters. Whilst some people may shrug their shoulders and say who cares it's pretty unusual. People mocked Reagan for using Born In The USA because he clearly didn't understand what it meant but Springsteen didn't stop him. It's different with Trump, he's so toxic that artists are desperate not to be associated with in any way. Those who have publicly asked him not to use their material or have issued cease and desist letters include;

CCR
Elton John
The Rolling Stones
Many people..
<snip>

So pretty much everyone whose music Trump has used except Ted Nugent then? I don't think he uses the crap that Ice Cube and Kanye churn out.
The comment to go with the Rolling Stones name on that list.
Rolling Stone magazine endorses Biden, says Trump “is a narcissist and an egotist, a shameless liar and an open bigot, a man who simply cannot understand the notion of sacrifice for the greater good, even as he demands unthinking fealty from those in his service.”

No splinters in their backside

Byker28i

61,775 posts

219 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Here's that article:

The Biden campaign is warning its supporters not to grow complacent about former Vice President Joe Biden’s chances against President Trump in the face of remarkably favorable polling, suggesting the race is “far closer” than media coverage indicates.

In a memo obtained by Forbes, Biden campaign manager Jen O’Malley Dillon tells supporters that while the Biden campaign is “confident our position is strong,” the race is “far closer than some of the punditry we’re seeing on Twitter and on TV would suggest.”

“In key battleground states, where this election will be decided, we remain neck and neck with Donald Trump,” O’Malley Dillon continues, citing polls of Arizona and North Carolina that show Biden up by 3 points, states she says the Biden campaign is “counting on to carry us to victory.”


https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/1...

arfursleep

818 posts

106 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Byker28i said:
Remember the FoxxConn deal that was going to create thousands of jobs

The Trump-touted electronic manufacturing complex promised by Foxconn in Wisconsin did not meet its requirements to operate.
Foxconn has now received a permit to convert the facilities into storage. Tens of thousands of promised jobs never materialized.
https://www.theverge.com/21509874/behind-foxconn
More con from the Don? Well probably but the article lays blame squarely at Foxconn who have really, really screwed around with the deal and it's very hard to determine why and to what end as it must be costing them a fortune with no return

Certainly the Trump admin, who have touted the deal as a success in bringing jobs to Wisconsin, have not pushed through with any sanctions etc against Foxconn for the debacle - mainly I suspect so they can blame it on the state itself and the now Democrat governor (deal was signed under the previous Republican governor).

It's a win-win for Trump in that respect - had project succeeded then he gets a job/business win but as it's now failing he can blame someone else.

As the article notes, the whole thing was a "pump and dump"



Old Man Fred

821 posts

91 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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amusingduck said:
Electro1980 said:
So your argument is that Dems are going to loose by pointing out how much of a st show everything Trump does is, and that this is bad because Trump does so much st stuff that bringing it up is meaningless?

If you think Dems are going to loose you haven’t looked at the current polling or reaction to Trump in the US. Republican politicians are saying to vote Dem. Biden is WAY ahead. The risk at the moment is that the Dems won’t take the senate too meaning the evil little turtle will obstruct everything the Biden government does and then scream “look! Rubbish Dems doing nothing”.
Fortunately, I stumbled across a reddit post last night that I think explains it better than I could. Bold is the title, not emphasis.


reddit said:
Change My View: As an anti-Trump voter, all the nitpicking at President Trump's little shortcomings (e.g. held a Bible the wrong way, overweight, how he gave money wrong at church) is extremely counterproductive, distracts from the real issues, and feeds the narrative that he's treated unfairly.
I saw a video today of President Trump giving some money at church in Las Vegas. The entire article was about how he fanned the money out in a showy display.

Full disclosure: I think President Trump is an embarassment and a destructive force who NEEDS to be voted out of office for the sake of the USA and the world at large. But I watched the video and thought: he did nothing wrong here. He MIGHT have intended to "show off" the ~$60 he put in the plate...but he could have just been checking how much was in his hand or fidgeting as anyone else would do. He certainly could afford to give more, but many people don't give as much money as normal (or any at all--which is fine!) when they are visiting a church. Nothing he did in the video was objectionable, and yet the article took a bunch of shots at him based on how he held his money, how little he gave, what may have been going on in his mind--a bunch of cheap shots, but more importantly, all regarding something pretty insignificant.

The problem with this kind of cheap piling on (and I could give a hundred examples) is that it's unfair and mean, and so it very much justifies the President's supporters pointing out unfair treatment, which leads to further entrenching their support of him. Furthermore, it dilutes out and de-emphasizes all of his horrible behavior, lapses in ethics, and the terrible amount of REAL damage he's done.

If we really want to change minds and vote him out of office--instead of having another Democrat popular vote win and a "too close to call" electoral college victory (for one side or the other)--we should focus on the much more significant and real damage he has done. This would help by (1) enabling much broader agreement on a set of facts; (2) avoid causing supporters of the President to dig in defensively for no reason; (3) focus on the real issues.
The two big points for me being "it dilutes out and de-emphasizes all of his horrible behavior" + "and I could give a hundred examples"
Do you know the article the poster was talking about? i searched for "Trump fanning money" from the last 7 days and it only came up with one hit which talked about the negative reaction he got on twitter for this, nothing to do with any media reaction? Seems like it is being blown out of all proportion and trump supporters (not necessarily you, just so we are clear) are using it for the old "press are so mean to trump" angle
https://www.inquisitr.com/6339640/donald-trump-col...

As an aside, i think trump was criticised mainly for tear gassing and having his cronies assault innocent protesters so he could get his photo op, along with claiming that he was very religious but refused to cite even one passage from the bible, rather than the way he held it.

I still find it very difficult to believe that people are more worried about the odd little thing like this which may or may not have happened that the 25k lies he has told, or the 26 counts of sexual abuse, of the 2k (i think) times he has committed crimes by dealing with his own business while president, the blatant nepotism and associated fraud, the affairs etc etc etc.

I am not trying to tell you to feel sorry for the familes of the 220k+ that have died in large part due to his inaction over Corona Virus, or the soldiers that have been killed as Russia put a bounty on their head etc, rather than someone that may have had a bit of not so good coverage in the press though, each to their own..

ETA - I did watch the video and i don't think trump is in any way showing off with the money, he counts it between his knees and folds it back up a few times (just giving his hands something to do imo) and just puts it in the collection bucket when it comes. I dislike trump a lot, but he does nothing wrong here at all imo


Edited by Old Man Fred on Tuesday 20th October 09:15

WindyMills

290 posts

155 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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amusingduck said:
Electro1980 said:
So your argument is that Dems are going to loose by pointing out how much of a st show everything Trump does is, and that this is bad because Trump does so much st stuff that bringing it up is meaningless?

If you think Dems are going to loose you haven’t looked at the current polling or reaction to Trump in the US. Republican politicians are saying to vote Dem. Biden is WAY ahead. The risk at the moment is that the Dems won’t take the senate too meaning the evil little turtle will obstruct everything the Biden government does and then scream “look! Rubbish Dems doing nothing”.
Fortunately, I stumbled across a reddit post last night that I think explains it better than I could. Bold is the title, not emphasis.


reddit said:
Change My View: As an anti-Trump voter, all the nitpicking at President Trump's little shortcomings (e.g. held a Bible the wrong way, overweight, how he gave money wrong at church) is extremely counterproductive, distracts from the real issues, and feeds the narrative that he's treated unfairly.
I saw a video today of President Trump giving some money at church in Las Vegas. The entire article was about how he fanned the money out in a showy display.

Full disclosure: I think President Trump is an embarassment and a destructive force who NEEDS to be voted out of office for the sake of the USA and the world at large. But I watched the video and thought: he did nothing wrong here. He MIGHT have intended to "show off" the ~$60 he put in the plate...but he could have just been checking how much was in his hand or fidgeting as anyone else would do. He certainly could afford to give more, but many people don't give as much money as normal (or any at all--which is fine!) when they are visiting a church. Nothing he did in the video was objectionable, and yet the article took a bunch of shots at him based on how he held his money, how little he gave, what may have been going on in his mind--a bunch of cheap shots, but more importantly, all regarding something pretty insignificant.

The problem with this kind of cheap piling on (and I could give a hundred examples) is that it's unfair and mean, and so it very much justifies the President's supporters pointing out unfair treatment, which leads to further entrenching their support of him. Furthermore, it dilutes out and de-emphasizes all of his horrible behavior, lapses in ethics, and the terrible amount of REAL damage he's done.

If we really want to change minds and vote him out of office--instead of having another Democrat popular vote win and a "too close to call" electoral college victory (for one side or the other)--we should focus on the much more significant and real damage he has done. This would help by (1) enabling much broader agreement on a set of facts; (2) avoid causing supporters of the President to dig in defensively for no reason; (3) focus on the real issues.
The two big points for me being "it dilutes out and de-emphasizes all of his horrible behavior" + "and I could give a hundred examples"
I'm by no means an expert but I've been thinking this for a while.

Even in blue states he's still polling at around 40%. Each news item about an untucked shirt or forum post about walking down a ramp just further entrenches that 40%.

Having worked for someone like him, he's probably spent all of 5 minutes discussing the "proud boys" scandal. It is, most likely, yet another distraction.

The democrats need(ed) a different strategy.

(Not a dig a byker at all, one of the few sources giving a full picture)

amusingduck

9,403 posts

138 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Old Man Fred said:
Do you know the article the poster was talking about? i searched for "Trump fanning money" from the last 7 days and it only came up with one hit which talked about the negative reaction he got on twitter for this, nothing to do with any media reaction? Seems like it is being blown out of all proportion and trump supporters (not necessarily you, just so we are clear) are using it for the old "press are so mean to trump" angle
https://www.inquisitr.com/6339640/donald-trump-col...
I wasn't familiar with the story before, but I think it's referring to this -
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trum...

The reddit post was made yesterday, so presumably something quite recent.

vonuber

17,868 posts

167 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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This criticism of trump seems the flip side of going mental that Obama wore a tan suit.

Old Man Fred

821 posts

91 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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amusingduck said:
I wasn't familiar with the story before, but I think it's referring to this -
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trum...

The reddit post was made yesterday, so presumably something quite recent.
Thanks, I still think it is trump supports trying to play the victim. There are 4 paragraphs, the first 2 are talking about twitter and one twitter users comments.

The second two paragraphs are
"President Donald Trump plunked what appeared to be a few $20 bills into the collection bucket at the International Church of Las Vegas on Sunday.

And he did it with a bit of ceremony. He dug the cash out of his right pocket, fingered the bills and fanned through them repeatedly before dropping them into the collection container."

The only negative piece of media attention are the words "And he did it with a bit of ceremony" are all the trump supporters really upset over those words, seems a bit extreme to me

amusingduck

9,403 posts

138 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Old Man Fred said:
Thanks, I still think it is trump supports trying to play the victim. There are 4 paragraphs, the first 2 are talking about twitter and one twitter users comments.
The reddit thread? I don't think they're a trump supporter

user - https://www.reddit.com/user/anonymous_teve
thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/je1...


Centurion07

10,381 posts

249 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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vonuber said:
This criticism of trump seems the flip side of going mental that Obama wore a tan suit.
Which happened because there was nothing else of note to go after him for.

Anti-Trumpsters are retaliating tit-for-tat because when they point out the stuff that matters, you know, like the fact he's been impeached, the fact he and his family are banned from running charities and the literally hundreds of other examples of what a stty human being he is, never mind the most unsuitable person on the planet to be POTUS, his supporters don't care.

Absolutely it distracts from the important stuff, but when the GOP and his supporters just turn a blind eye, what can you do?

anonymous-user

56 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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thetapeworm said:
I'd be interested to know how many other UK MPs openly support Trump.

https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/131210799...



You'd think Biden would be more aligned with UK Conservatives and Trump a bit too far right (and embarrassing) for most to support wouldn't you?
After all this time with Trump as the President, the one thing i genuinly can't understand is why any woman would support him in anyway? I mean, does one have to be actually raped or sexually assaulted in order to understand that ANY encouragement of men to treat women like objects and to boast about how they assault them, is reversing years of hard work and education in granting women equal rights as men?

I'm far from any kind of feminist, but surely, a woman should be also to see what they are encouraging no????

Riff Raff

5,171 posts

197 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Max_Torque said:
thetapeworm said:
I'd be interested to know how many other UK MPs openly support Trump.

https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/131210799...



You'd think Biden would be more aligned with UK Conservatives and Trump a bit too far right (and embarrassing) for most to support wouldn't you?
After all this time with Trump as the President, the one thing i genuinly can't understand is why any woman would support him in anyway? I mean, does one have to be actually raped or sexually assaulted in order to understand that ANY encouragement of men to treat women like objects and to boast about how they assault them, is reversing years of hard work and education in granting women equal rights as men?

I'm far from any kind of feminist, but surely, a woman should be also to see what they are encouraging no????
She's not the sharpest knife in the Tory block, as anyone who has seen her perform on radio or TV will know. She even makes lance corporal Francois look half sensible.


Countdown

40,285 posts

198 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Max_Torque said:
thetapeworm said:
I'd be interested to know how many other UK MPs openly support Trump.

https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/131210799...



You'd think Biden would be more aligned with UK Conservatives and Trump a bit too far right (and embarrassing) for most to support wouldn't you?
After all this time with Trump as the President, the one thing i genuinly can't understand is why any woman would support him in anyway? I mean, does one have to be actually raped or sexually assaulted in order to understand that ANY encouragement of men to treat women like objects and to boast about how they assault them, is reversing years of hard work and education in granting women equal rights as men?

I'm far from any kind of feminist, but surely, a woman should be also to see what they are encouraging no????
A lot of women seem to find him sexually attractive.

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anonymous-user

56 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Countdown said:
A lot of women seem to find him sexually attractive.

vomit
A lot of women find the things that they can gain through f-cking him attractive.

Probably more common than we might think, not that it’s commonly discussed in polite conversation these days.

Byker28i

61,775 posts

219 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Sam.M said:
Countdown said:
A lot of women seem to find him sexually attractive.

vomit
A lot of women find the things that they can gain through f-cking him attractive.

Probably more common than we might think, not that it’s commonly discussed in polite conversation these days.
trump: "suburban women - please love me" biggrin

Alice Roberts lost her husband, Rob, a police officer, to COVID:

"I have one for anybody who supports President Trump or for voters who are still on the fence. I plead with you to remember his lack of action after learning the true dangers of the virus."
https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/10/my-husband-died...

Byker28i

61,775 posts

219 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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The Government Accountability Office will conduct an investigation of the Trump admin's "political interference at the CDC and the FDA, and to determine whether this interference has violated the agencies' scientific integrity and communication policies."

https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/21-001...
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