The 'No to the EU' campaign
Discussion
I'm astounded at the arrogance of Cameron's latest warnings, to think that by subsidising French farmers and German currency we can buy peace is ridiculous.
Cameron used war graves from WWI & II to illustrate the threat - two occasions when the wonderfully diverse countries of Europe were plunged into war to stop unification! Is Cameron really so xenophobic that he thinks the Germans are held on a leash by the UKs membership.
Disgraceful that the UK PM has so little respect for our European neighbours that he thinks they're warmongers held on a leash by the UK membership.
Cameron used war graves from WWI & II to illustrate the threat - two occasions when the wonderfully diverse countries of Europe were plunged into war to stop unification! Is Cameron really so xenophobic that he thinks the Germans are held on a leash by the UKs membership.
Disgraceful that the UK PM has so little respect for our European neighbours that he thinks they're warmongers held on a leash by the UK membership.
brenflys777 said:
I'm astounded at the arrogance of Cameron's latest warnings, to think that by subsidising French farmers and German currency we can buy peace is ridiculous.
Cameron used war graves from WWI & II to illustrate the threat - two occasions when the wonderfully diverse countries of Europe were plunged into war to stop unification! Is Cameron really so xenophobic that he thinks the Germans are held on a leash by the UKs membership.
Disgraceful that the UK PM has so little respect for our European neighbours that he thinks they're warmongers held on a leash by the UK membership.
What causes such a level of abject desperation tactics...does he have information that the polling co's don't reflect for example.Cameron used war graves from WWI & II to illustrate the threat - two occasions when the wonderfully diverse countries of Europe were plunged into war to stop unification! Is Cameron really so xenophobic that he thinks the Germans are held on a leash by the UKs membership.
Disgraceful that the UK PM has so little respect for our European neighbours that he thinks they're warmongers held on a leash by the UK membership.
It was silly from the off and now it's getting sillier.
But if we exit we won't have the ability to buy all that scrummy Belgian choccy, especially important since the Yanks have buggered up the Cadburys Dairy Milk. There will be armies of pensioners up at arms insisting we invade Bruges, albeit "striking a balance between culture and fun."
H/T to the film, In Bruges.
H/T to the film, In Bruges.
turbobloke said:
brenflys777 said:
I'm astounded at the arrogance of Cameron's latest warnings, to think that by subsidising French farmers and German currency we can buy peace is ridiculous.
Cameron used war graves from WWI & II to illustrate the threat - two occasions when the wonderfully diverse countries of Europe were plunged into war to stop unification! Is Cameron really so xenophobic that he thinks the Germans are held on a leash by the UKs membership.
Disgraceful that the UK PM has so little respect for our European neighbours that he thinks they're warmongers held on a leash by the UK membership.
What causes such a level of abject desperation tactics...does he have information that the polling co's don't reflect for example.Cameron used war graves from WWI & II to illustrate the threat - two occasions when the wonderfully diverse countries of Europe were plunged into war to stop unification! Is Cameron really so xenophobic that he thinks the Germans are held on a leash by the UKs membership.
Disgraceful that the UK PM has so little respect for our European neighbours that he thinks they're warmongers held on a leash by the UK membership.
It was silly from the off and now it's getting sillier.
CMD will do anything and everything to ensure that does not happen, remember where over the hill politicians in the UK go after their time in office is done. Lords and / or EU.
brenflys777 said:
Cameron used war graves from WWI & II to illustrate the threat - two occasions when the wonderfully diverse countries of Europe were plunged into war to stop unification!
This ^, the graves of brave British soldiers fighting for Britain's freedom and independence from the threat of a unified Europe used to suggest being in a unified Europe is a good thing.I guess those millions died in vain and Camoron won't be visiting the Cenotaph this November to pay his respects. If he's still the PM after the referendum of course.
A massive b
k dropped by the failed history student today.aeropilot said:
alfie2244 said:
Esseesse said:
johnfm said:
Laughable.
If an decision to leave would cause war, why hold a referendum?
"We are a democracy" the politicians trot out in response to this.
Amusing hearing Tory MPs who were anti EU just months ago suddenly toeing the party line and delivering this bks on the BBC this morning.
Also, if a decision to leave would cause war, why not tell us sooner?If an decision to leave would cause war, why hold a referendum?
"We are a democracy" the politicians trot out in response to this.
Amusing hearing Tory MPs who were anti EU just months ago suddenly toeing the party line and delivering this b
ks on the BBC this morning. 
FourWheelDrift said:
This ^, the graves of brave British soldiers fighting for Britain's freedom and independence from the threat of a unified Europe used to suggest being in a unified Europe is a good thing.
I guess those millions died in vain and Camoron won't be visiting the Cenotaph this November to pay his respects. If he's still the PM after the referendum of course.
A massive bk dropped by the failed history student today.
CMD's " peace in our time " gambit.I guess those millions died in vain and Camoron won't be visiting the Cenotaph this November to pay his respects. If he's still the PM after the referendum of course.
A massive b
k dropped by the failed history student today.dandarez said:
I like your reply, but I've done my version and added more words!
We will get what Germany wants, and at the moment they need to suck up to Turkey to solve the immigration problem that Merkel partially created, and the EU fks up then Reacts.
Turkey WILL be let in, of that there is no doubt, the only thing nobody outside the EU knows is the timeline - they don't think, nor care about the future - they care only about today and how they look and their income remains or increases and their lovely little cosy club continues ...end of.
The EU is now no more than a gigantic mess - it simply rolls along getting bigger and more out of control ...9 member states in 1975 with a vision everyone was blind to at the time, a little common market that would grow into a European Super State.
It is so depressing, but hardly surprising looking around at the numbers of unintelligent people today, to think we might vote to stay in this corrupt, inefficient, utter and total FUBB. And if you don't know what FUBB is, get a copy of Wishbone Ash's 'There's the Rub' LP, released in 1974 a few months before the last 1975 referendum.
Typical leave fear rubbish.We will get what Germany wants, and at the moment they need to suck up to Turkey to solve the immigration problem that Merkel partially created, and the EU f
ks up then Reacts.Turkey WILL be let in, of that there is no doubt, the only thing nobody outside the EU knows is the timeline - they don't think, nor care about the future - they care only about today and how they look and their income remains or increases and their lovely little cosy club continues ...end of.
The EU is now no more than a gigantic mess - it simply rolls along getting bigger and more out of control ...9 member states in 1975 with a vision everyone was blind to at the time, a little common market that would grow into a European Super State.
It is so depressing, but hardly surprising looking around at the numbers of unintelligent people today, to think we might vote to stay in this corrupt, inefficient, utter and total FUBB. And if you don't know what FUBB is, get a copy of Wishbone Ash's 'There's the Rub' LP, released in 1974 a few months before the last 1975 referendum.
Turkey will only join when it has met all the joining criteria and all the EU countries agree.
turbobloke said:
brenflys777 said:
I'm astounded at the arrogance of Cameron's latest warnings, to think that by subsidising French farmers and German currency we can buy peace is ridiculous.
Cameron used war graves from WWI & II to illustrate the threat - two occasions when the wonderfully diverse countries of Europe were plunged into war to stop unification! Is Cameron really so xenophobic that he thinks the Germans are held on a leash by the UKs membership.
Disgraceful that the UK PM has so little respect for our European neighbours that he thinks they're warmongers held on a leash by the UK membership.
What causes such a level of abject desperation tactics...does he have information that the polling co's don't reflect for example.Cameron used war graves from WWI & II to illustrate the threat - two occasions when the wonderfully diverse countries of Europe were plunged into war to stop unification! Is Cameron really so xenophobic that he thinks the Germans are held on a leash by the UKs membership.
Disgraceful that the UK PM has so little respect for our European neighbours that he thinks they're warmongers held on a leash by the UK membership.
It was silly from the off and now it's getting sillier.
Generating excuses whose causes can be laid at the door of 'democracy' is a lot better than ones which are laid at the door of expansionist capitalism and the political/corporate elites wanting to expand their flock of consumers.
World War 3, the fight for more GDP/populace to prop up the Western Pyramid scheme as demographics will otherwise send it over a cliff!
Sway said:
Mrr T said:
Typical leave fear rubbish.
Turkey will only join when it has met all the joining criteria and all the EU countries agree.
Did Greece meet all the joining criteria? Turkey will only join when it has met all the joining criteria and all the EU countries agree.
You do understand they are very different.
I was ashamed to listen to the PM on tv this morning. I was hoping for some reasoned arguments, some heart felt views, some commitment and honesty.
All I could see was spin. So meteorites and plague will be next if we dont stay in the EU?
I feel very sad and now angry over his spin on the security and being in prevents a war with Europe. That it will be better financially to stay in. That we can influence the rules the EU pass. I studied Law and believe strongly in the rights of passing our own laws and self governance and the right to remove said government by votes to whatever flavour the UK vote for.
What happened to the UK which was a lion?
One that was not afraid to make its own rules and laws?
Who wants to be a prisoner in a gilded cage fed on frankfurters being told when we can have a piss or ste by the guards?
So what if we are given prison rolls to make the breakfast or clean the corridors, some nice food - we are still controlled and locked up in a prison with the G'vnor (EU)calling the shots. We are going to go into ever closer union with the EU for a generation we are losing our right to govern ourselves and our MPs want to pass on their powers to the EU - this is more important then anything else. I would suggest its fundamentally what a government and free country is all about. Self governing.
The war side of things really really gets me. Its like making a mockery of our war dead from WW1 and WW2 we fought to be a free country and to help others be free from Germany. It was Germany we were at war with not the Nazis. Conveniently spun to be pc correct now. We are being told that if we dont vote to stay in we will be in conflict with the other EU countries - the ones we help liberate. I can not believe the absolute low the PM is going to, how much he thinks its wrong for us to self goven. - its very sad to see and I feel betrayed and let down.
All I could see was spin. So meteorites and plague will be next if we dont stay in the EU?
I feel very sad and now angry over his spin on the security and being in prevents a war with Europe. That it will be better financially to stay in. That we can influence the rules the EU pass. I studied Law and believe strongly in the rights of passing our own laws and self governance and the right to remove said government by votes to whatever flavour the UK vote for.
What happened to the UK which was a lion?
One that was not afraid to make its own rules and laws?
Who wants to be a prisoner in a gilded cage fed on frankfurters being told when we can have a piss or s
te by the guards?So what if we are given prison rolls to make the breakfast or clean the corridors, some nice food - we are still controlled and locked up in a prison with the G'vnor (EU)calling the shots. We are going to go into ever closer union with the EU for a generation we are losing our right to govern ourselves and our MPs want to pass on their powers to the EU - this is more important then anything else. I would suggest its fundamentally what a government and free country is all about. Self governing.
The war side of things really really gets me. Its like making a mockery of our war dead from WW1 and WW2 we fought to be a free country and to help others be free from Germany. It was Germany we were at war with not the Nazis. Conveniently spun to be pc correct now. We are being told that if we dont vote to stay in we will be in conflict with the other EU countries - the ones we help liberate. I can not believe the absolute low the PM is going to, how much he thinks its wrong for us to self goven. - its very sad to see and I feel betrayed and let down.
Edited by superlightr on Monday 9th May 11:21
Mrr T said:
Sway said:
Mrr T said:
Typical leave fear rubbish.
Turkey will only join when it has met all the joining criteria and all the EU countries agree.
Did Greece meet all the joining criteria? Turkey will only join when it has met all the joining criteria and all the EU countries agree.
You do understand they are very different.
superlightr said:
I was ashamed to listen to the PM on tv this morning. I was hoping for some reasoned arguments, some heart felt views, some commitment and honesty.
His tone and childish examples and guilt tripping was reminiscent of a headmistress addressing a class after someone did something naughty but no one would own up.Mr GrimNasty said:
His tone and childish examples and guilt tripping was reminiscent of a headmistress addressing a class after someone did something naughty but no one would own up.
Its really shown those in doubt about him what a true snake he really is.The mask has well and truly slipped.
Mr GrimNasty said:
superlightr said:
I was ashamed to listen to the PM on tv this morning. I was hoping for some reasoned arguments, some heart felt views, some commitment and honesty.
His tone and childish examples and guilt tripping was reminiscent of a headmistress addressing a class after someone did something naughty but no one would own up.t.He's a decent knockabout point scorer in the commons and can give a good speech - but he's just another Oxbridge Posh boy who has climbed the same greasy pole as so many others, red and blue.
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