The 'No to the EU' campaign

[Mrr T]

Sway said:

Mrr T said:

Sway said:

Mrr T said:

Typical leave fear rubbish.

Turkey will only join when it has met all the joining criteria and all the EU countries agree.

Did Greece meet all the joining criteria?

Are you asking about the joining criteria for the EU or the euro?

You do understand they are very different.

I'm asking if the powers that be within the EU have a track record of setting entry criteria and then sticking to them...

The answer is yes. The criteria to join the EU and the euro are both set out in EU law. Greece passed both however, in order to join the euro they like a number of other joiners fiddled figures to make sure they where eligible.In both circumstances the other members all had to agree to Greece joining.

Its always assumed Greece was a basket case when it joined the euro. This is not the case. While government spending had always meant Greece had a high debt to GDP ration however pre euro this was always controlled by high interest rates on Greek debt. When Greece joined the euro the cost of debt fell and Greece could have used the saving to reduce borrowing. However, as we know they did not they just spent more.

[Mr Whippy]

superlightr said:

The war side of things really really gets me. Its like making a mockery of our war dead from WW1 and WW2 we fought to be a free country and to help others be free from Germany. It was Germany we were at war with not the Nazis. Conveniently spun to be pc correct now. We are being told that if we dont vote to stay in we will be in conflict with the other EU countries - the ones we help liberate. I can believe the absolute low the PM is going to - its very sad to see and I feel betrayed and let down.

I don't feel betrayed or let down by Cameron, I feel scared of him because he's acting more like a 'dear leader' (ruling by force/misinformation/fear) than a true leader.

When they can make such glaringly offensive remarks about war and those who have died in them, it sums up the ideological stance of the EU project.

Neo-socialist control freakery of the worst kind.

The fact they think this time it's "different" because they can fix all the problems with an iron fist (Greece) shows by example that they're not different at all, infact they're probably the worst example yet because of all generations they should know better!

[Hosenbugler]

Boris is currently live on Sky News, he's really blowing the remainers apart with cold hard economic facts. , sterling performance.

[dandarez]

chow pan toon said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

They protest far too much. I am still an undecided but the more scaremongering that goes on the more I am incline to vote leave.

Same here

I can make your mind up for you! Forget the morons who are at the helm of the EU.

This dolly mixture of Lib-Dum, Unreal Tory and ex-Labour EU money-grabbing Kinnock should tell you everything you need to know.
You do know why they are laughing don't you?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ashdown+cameron+...

[chris watton]

Hosenbugler said:

Boris is currently live on Sky News, he's really blowing the remainers apart with cold hard economic facts. , sterling performance.

Yep, the opposite to Cameron's very limp and unconvincing performance.

[Esseesse]

FourWheelDrift said:

I guess those millions died in vain and Camoron won't be visiting the Cenotaph this November to pay his respects. If he's still the PM after the referendum of course.

A year or two ago when Cameron was visiting the Cenotaph, it was the day after they voluntarily signed us up the European Arrest Warrant (we had a choice quite unique when it comes to matters EU). The EAW means a significant loss of freedoms for British citizens that our ancestors have fought and died for.

[dandarez]

Hosenbugler said:

Boris is currently live on Sky News, he's really blowing the remainers apart with cold hard economic facts. , sterling performance.

I thought he might go a bit lame, but no. He's on a mission now!

[aeropilot]

desolate said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

superlightr said:

I was ashamed to listen to the PM on tv this morning. I was hoping for some reasoned arguments, some heart felt views, some commitment and honesty.

His tone and childish examples and guilt tripping was reminiscent of a headmistress addressing a class after someone did something naughty but no one would own up.

He's been the same since he became Tory leader. Full of st.

He's a decent knockabout point scorer in the commons and can give a good speech - but he's just another Oxbridge Posh boy who has climbed the same greasy pole as so many others, red and blue.

[Esseesse]

Sway said:

Mrr T said:

Typical leave fear rubbish.

Turkey will only join when it has met all the joining criteria and all the EU countries agree.

Did Greece meet all the joining criteria?

Also, I believe the Treaties not only do not mention, but they specifically say that member states will not bail out one another. Then Greece happened. The tyrannical EU follows the (their) rules only when it suits them.

[Sway]

Mrr T said:

Sway said:

Mrr T said:

Sway said:

Mrr T said:

Typical leave fear rubbish.

Turkey will only join when it has met all the joining criteria and all the EU countries agree.

Did Greece meet all the joining criteria?

Are you asking about the joining criteria for the EU or the euro?

You do understand they are very different.

I'm asking if the powers that be within the EU have a track record of setting entry criteria and then sticking to them...

The answer is yes. The criteria to join the EU and the euro are both set out in EU law. Greece passed both however, in order to join the euro they like a number of other joiners fiddled figures to make sure they where eligible.In both circumstances the other members all had to agree to Greece joining.

Its always assumed Greece was a basket case when it joined the euro. This is not the case. While government spending had always meant Greece had a high debt to GDP ration however pre euro this was always controlled by high interest rates on Greek debt. When Greece joined the euro the cost of debt fell and Greece could have used the saving to reduce borrowing. However, as we know they did not they just spent more.

So, to be clear, did Greece meet the criteria or not? Short term Balance sheet transferrals notwithstanding...

Did the other members know they were fiddling the figures, yet allow them to join anyway?

Why is it impossible for a similar scenario to occur regarding Turkey's accession?

[Esseesse]

Mr GrimNasty said:

superlightr said:

I was ashamed to listen to the PM on tv this morning. I was hoping for some reasoned arguments, some heart felt views, some commitment and honesty.

His tone and childish examples and guilt tripping was reminiscent of a headmistress addressing a class after someone did something naughty but no one would own up.

I think Cameron can probably easily set the record for the amount of BS spouted by a British prime minister.

[FiF]

alfie2244 said:

Think this may have been posted before but i think it is worth posting this again.

This may be a more appropriate image to represent the Remain campaign.



Yes that is a photo of the Fonz just after he jumped the shark.

Big mistake by Remain this morning.

[Mr Whippy]

chris watton said:

Hosenbugler said:

Boris is currently live on Sky News, he's really blowing the remainers apart with cold hard economic facts. , sterling performance.

Yep, the opposite to Cameron's very limp and unconvincing performance.

Doesn't it worry you thought that Cameron is being so crap, and Boris good?

Maybe the tin foil hat is strong with me, but since when did Cameron do an obviously bad job and gauge public opinion so badly?

Is the goal to really see us leave because it acts as a precursor for 'bad times' which then serve as a precursor to event Y (which I think is joining a reformed EU ...one with less democracy, because democracy = bad, look what happened when we voted out!

Dave

[Mrr T]

Sway said:

Mrr T said:

Sway said:

Mrr T said:

Sway said:

Mrr T said:

Typical leave fear rubbish.

Turkey will only join when it has met all the joining criteria and all the EU countries agree.

Did Greece meet all the joining criteria?

Are you asking about the joining criteria for the EU or the euro?

You do understand they are very different.

I'm asking if the powers that be within the EU have a track record of setting entry criteria and then sticking to them...

The answer is yes. The criteria to join the EU and the euro are both set out in EU law. Greece passed both however, in order to join the euro they like a number of other joiners fiddled figures to make sure they where eligible.In both circumstances the other members all had to agree to Greece joining.

Its always assumed Greece was a basket case when it joined the euro. This is not the case. While government spending had always meant Greece had a high debt to GDP ration however pre euro this was always controlled by high interest rates on Greek debt. When Greece joined the euro the cost of debt fell and Greece could have used the saving to reduce borrowing. However, as we know they did not they just spent more.

So, to be clear, did Greece meet the criteria or not? Short term Balance sheet transferrals notwithstanding...

Did the other members know they were fiddling the figures, yet allow them to join anyway?

Why is it impossible for a similar scenario to occur regarding Turkey's accession?

It gets difficult to discuss with some one who does not seem to realise joining the EU and the euro are different.

What every happens to Turkey joining the EU requires unanimous agreement form all 28 members.

[Sam All]

Mr Whippy said:

Doesn't it worry you thought that Cameron is being so crap, and Boris good?

Maybe the tin foil hat is strong with me, but since when did Cameron do an obviously bad job and gauge public opinion so badly?

Is the goal to really see us leave because it acts as a precursor for 'bad times' which then serve as a precursor to event Y (which I think is joining a reformed EU ...one with less democracy, because democracy = bad, look what happened when we voted out!

Dave

There's a plan going on there.

[Mrr T]

Esseesse said:

Sway said:

Mrr T said:

Typical leave fear rubbish.

Turkey will only join when it has met all the joining criteria and all the EU countries agree.

Did Greece meet all the joining criteria?

Also, I believe the Treaties not only do not mention, but they specifically say that member states will not bail out one another. Then Greece happened. The tyrannical EU follows the (their) rules only when it suits them.

Other euro members can have have lent money to Greece. Not sure what you mean.

[Sway]

Mrr T said:

Sway said:

Mrr T said:

Sway said:

Mrr T said:

Sway said:

Mrr T said:

Typical leave fear rubbish.

Turkey will only join when it has met all the joining criteria and all the EU countries agree.

Did Greece meet all the joining criteria?

Are you asking about the joining criteria for the EU or the euro?

You do understand they are very different.

I'm asking if the powers that be within the EU have a track record of setting entry criteria and then sticking to them...

The answer is yes. The criteria to join the EU and the euro are both set out in EU law. Greece passed both however, in order to join the euro they like a number of other joiners fiddled figures to make sure they where eligible.In both circumstances the other members all had to agree to Greece joining.

Its always assumed Greece was a basket case when it joined the euro. This is not the case. While government spending had always meant Greece had a high debt to GDP ration however pre euro this was always controlled by high interest rates on Greek debt. When Greece joined the euro the cost of debt fell and Greece could have used the saving to reduce borrowing. However, as we know they did not they just spent more.

So, to be clear, did Greece meet the criteria or not? Short term Balance sheet transferrals notwithstanding...

Did the other members know they were fiddling the figures, yet allow them to join anyway?

Why is it impossible for a similar scenario to occur regarding Turkey's accession?

It gets difficult to discuss with some one who does not seem to realise joining the EU and the euro are different.

What every happens to Turkey joining the EU requires unanimous agreement form all 28 members.

I understand plenty - that for both EU and Euro membership, there are entry criteria. On top of that, there must be unanimous agreement from other members.

The fact those criteria are different is irrelevant - what is, is that there is a history of fudged criteria and acquiescence by other members, even against their own best interests...

Why is this not relevant to the assertion that 'Turkey will never meet the criteria, and won't be accepted'?

[chris watton]

Mr Whippy said:

chris watton said:

Hosenbugler said:

Boris is currently live on Sky News, he's really blowing the remainers apart with cold hard economic facts. , sterling performance.

Yep, the opposite to Cameron's very limp and unconvincing performance.

Doesn't it worry you thought that Cameron is being so crap, and Boris good?

Maybe the tin foil hat is strong with me, but since when did Cameron do an obviously bad job and gauge public opinion so badly?

Is the goal to really see us leave because it acts as a precursor for 'bad times' which then serve as a precursor to event Y (which I think is joining a reformed EU ...one with less democracy, because democracy = bad, look what happened when we voted out!

Dave

Not really, no.

I cannot help but think that the EU bureaucrat will keep tightening the noose of their power until Europe will become USSR Mk2 - with faceless polit-bureau-like members calling the shots with no real democratic mandate and who no-one really voted for in elections.

The way the EU bigwigs have already ridden roughshod over sovereign country's elected governments should give us a pretty good glimpse into what the future holds, once these unelected maniacs accrue even more power.

That is what scares me. I do fear the future is going to get a lot worse before it gets better - Europe has an end of the Roman Empire feeling to it, with the void being filled by despots.

Hope I'm wrong, for my future generations sake.

[Norfolkit]

brenflys777 said:

I'm astounded at the arrogance of Cameron's latest warnings, to think that by subsidising French farmers and German currency we can buy peace is ridiculous.

Maybe he gets bullied at EU meeting, "give us your pocket money or you can't vote" and he's just extrapolated that or maybe he's just a lying ahole (did Clegg "turn" him during their time together, he's very pro EU for a self proclaimed sceptic)

[wc98]

FiF said:

Big mistake by Remain this morning.

indeed. 3 months ago i was fairly certain the vote would be to remain. today i think the vote will be to leave.