All that is wrong with this country

[Oakey]

Teachers and Head Teacher of local school suspended for putting disruptive kids in isolation room to 'cool off'.

Relative of suspended teacher tips off local rag that the child in question had threatened to stab other pupils, staff and himself.

Then we get this:

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/local-news/...

Parents of horrible kids outraged their promising footballers were segregated

Vermin said:

Caroline Dyson claims her son Dylan Madderson, who has Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, was put in a room in isolation last year when he was six years old.

The 31-year-old, of Erdington Road, Blackpool, said: “He can get quite aggressive but I don’t think he deserved that.”

More Vermin said:

Louise O’Neill claims her son was so distressed while shut in a room four years ago, he threw a table and a chair at the walls.

Maybe if these parasites raised their horrible kids properly they wouldn't need to be isolated?

[Baryonyx]

It certainly does raise questions about the masses of children in this country being brought up with no boundaries and feckless parents, their every fault and failing excused by whatever fantastical condition they are diagnosed with.

[Chicken]

Baryonyx said:

It certainly does raise questions about the masses of children in this country being brought up with no boundaries and feckless parents, their every fault and failing excused by whatever fantastical condition they are diagnosed with.

The problem with over-diagnosing conditions like ADHD is that it devalues the recognition of those who actually do have it. My son is Autistic, he also has ADHD (amongst other things). However, as a result of every poorly raised child being diagnosed with it, when the condition is discussed we are looked at like feral class parents.
Every generation seems to have a fashionable disorder. When I was a kid, every child who ever had a chest infection automatically had Asthma. After that it was Dyslexia (for any kid who found reading or writing difficult/boring. This generation seems to focus on behavioural issues.
Don't get me wrong, there were genuine Asthmatics, Dyslexics, and there are genuine cases of ADHD; but they are lost in a quagmire of benefits claims and parents looking for excuses.
It's rather depressing really

[daveydave7]

OOOOOOOOh I nearly opened a thread on it myself yesterday Anyone who sees the dross collecting their kids in that area will know the kind of parents they are up against at the school.
BIG make up of non local families ie people moved into area even the beloved council leaders free breakfast scheme wson't save this one, teachers worried sick of the consequences
The OP's header is bang on well done

[Rude-boy]

Agree with Chicken on this.

The problem, as with any 'medical' error or failing is getting those in a position to admit to it and then to try to prevent it happening again.

From the little I understand it is a fine line between 'Little Sh**' and 'Little Sh** because they suffer from ADHD' in a lot of cases. In addition there is an incentive for schools to ensure that they have the 'most challenging' [sic] children with most severe problems as they get lots of lovely money.

Add to this that when it is realised that many, many of these 'ADHD sufferers' are actually nothing of the sort you know that they, and in the younger cases their parents, are going to be out for some compensayshun as the misdiagnosis of their child prevented them from studying to be the rocket scientist they surely would have been.

[daveydave7]

Just waiting for the apologists to pop along with their mates the denialists.

[Oakey]

My brother was diagnosed ADHD, this was in the early 90s before it became 'a thing'. He was a nightmare for my parents but I don't think he was a particular problem in school (I'll have to ask my mother). My brother had to see a shrink and was prescribed Ritalin (although my father knocked that on the head as he started dismantling things instead). He did eventually grow out of it though in his teens and went on to be a well adjusted individual. I'm not sure the same can be said for the majority of kids who are 'diagnosed' ADHD these days. Given that parents can receive DLA and Mobility for having kids with ADHD I do wonder how much that affects the pressure on GPs by parents to diagnose their horrible brat with ADHD.

[Ozzie Osmond]

Learning Difficulties are quite common, do exist and require support. I'm not talking here about thick people. I'm talking about average to bright people who simply have difficulty learning some types of stuff. It doesn't help if their parents are indifferent to the issues.

But these difficulties are not an excuse for anything and everything. A bit of self-control goes a long way.

[singlecoil]

One of the things about living in a society is that one should have to adapt to doing so. Society shouldn't have to adapt to you.

A few strokes of the cane will quickly sort out most 'disorders'.

[TheForceV4]

I remember when I was at school 96-03 that if you had a fight or disobeyed any of the school rules and regs you were put into isolation for a few days.

I went in once, never again. Good deterrent I thought..... A bit like getting a hiding from the parents when you did something wrong.

Maybe im just getting old

[TangerinePool]

My home town again

For anyone who is a local this is a not too nice area of Blackpool (of which there are more and more each year) and the average attendee of the school is, er, a bit Jeremy Kyle.

My conversation with others went like this:


I blame the parents too.

The parents have undermined the school by making a complaint, which is further undermined by them suspending half the world. Furthermore this ensures the 9 yr old feels somewhat justified in being a feral brat when ironically everything about a Primary school is to teach him and his fellow 'little johnnys' that this is NOT acceptable behaviour.

I know we don't know the full story and the Wail will have pitched it in their own special way, but can't we make some changes? We've become too limp-wristed and terrified of hurting precious feelings whilst knitting our yummy yoghurt.

For me we should be sorting the wheat from the chaff early doors and populating a New Australia.

[daveydave7]

Hope springs eternal and with quality peeps like these everything will be brilliabnt again:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/mar/01/blackpool...

[Puggit]

UK has 5x more SEN kids than EU average...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2286259/UK...

[vodkalolly]

These people are so thick they have no control over anything. Its not their fault its the Liberal Gummint. They create the state funded child farms with few or no male role models except pimps and drug dealers. When little boys get to 7 they then become the household head and mother takes a back seat. Schools have no sanctions to control them, hence this thread. We need to change this and change it fast. Coupled with all the rest of the wishy washy way we do things in Britain its just another nail in our coffin.

[oyster]

singlecoil said:

One of the things about living in a society is that one should have to adapt to doing so. Society shouldn't have to adapt to you.

A few strokes of the cane will quickly sort out most 'disorders'.

What a weird approach to take. Society evolves all the time, to the needs of those within it. Societies shape themselves as they become more tolerant to change and to individuals within them.

According to your suggestion that society shouldn't adapt, disabled people shouldn't have access to buildings with steps, and gay people shouldn't be allowed in public. Weird.

[vodkalolly]

singlecoil said:

One of the things about living in a society is that one should have to adapt to doing so. Society shouldn't have to adapt to you.

A few strokes of the cane will quickly sort out most 'disorders'.

How old are you? What a very silly position to take. I went to school when teachers regularly assaulted pupils. It solved nothing and created hatred. In some cases parents visited teachers in alleyways and applied a few strokes of the boot to the bks. None of it did any good. You can be firm without the violence. There is a lady on here with 4 children with aspergers if she reads your crap she will be after you. Grow up you sound like a VOGON

[singlecoil]

oyster said:

singlecoil said:

One of the things about living in a society is that one should have to adapt to doing so. Society shouldn't have to adapt to you.

A few strokes of the cane will quickly sort out most 'disorders'.

What a weird approach to take. Society evolves all the time, to the needs of those within it. Societies shape themselves as they become more tolerant to change and to individuals within them.

According to your suggestion that society shouldn't adapt, disabled people shouldn't have access to buildings with steps, and gay people shouldn't be allowed in public. Weird.

What I actually said can be read in the quote above. What you think I said can be read in your post.

[singlecoil]

vodkalolly said:

singlecoil said:

One of the things about living in a society is that one should have to adapt to doing so. Society shouldn't have to adapt to you.

A few strokes of the cane will quickly sort out most 'disorders'.

How old are you? What a very silly position to take. I went to school when teachers regularly assaulted pupils. It solved nothing and created hatred. In some cases parents visited teachers in alleyways and applied a few strokes of the boot to the bks. None of it did any good. You can be firm without the violence. There is a lady on here with 4 children with aspergers if she reads your crap she will be after you. Grow up you sound like a VOGON

[Rude-boy]

vodkalolly said:

There is a lady on here with 4 children with aspergers if she reads your crap she will be after you.

Possibly, but then she isn't always right either.

As usual the true solution is somewhere between the 'fluffy bunnie hugs for the poor bullywoolies' and 'kick the living st out of them' camps.

[900T-R]

daveydave7 said:

Hope springs eternal and with quality peeps like these everything will be brilliabnt again:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/mar/01/blackpool...

Who still wants new TVRs to be made in Blackpool again after reading that?

If the factory would exist now, it would probably look like those Russian promotion(?) movies of factories where you see drunk/hungover staff randomly bimbling along without actually doing anything much...