Ukraine warming up

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Cheese Mechanic

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3,157 posts

175 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
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Interesting article from Reuters.

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/08/19/u...

Cannot help but wonder how its all going to pan out , dangerous, very dangerous.

Russia intimidating Estonia it seems. No wonder NATO has upped its presence in the Baltics

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/19/us-russi...

legzr1

3,867 posts

145 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
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Send in the tube drivers and a couple of RMT Generals - soon put a stop to this nonsense.

XM5ER

5,094 posts

254 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
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The last line form the article
"Putin has been able to keep the conflict out of the headlines, and away from the attention of voters in Europe and the United States, who might otherwise pressure their governments to do something to stop it."

If that deluded statement doesn't mark the article out as propaganda then I don't know what does.

Chimune

3,327 posts

229 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
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XM5ER said:
The last line form the article
"Putin has been able to keep the conflict out of the headlines, and away from the attention of voters in Europe and the United States, who might otherwise pressure their governments to do something to stop it."

If that deluded statement doesn't mark the article out as propaganda then I don't know what does.
Id have to agree with that. Its someone trying to add pressure to get USA to provide more kit for the Ukrainians:

"So, the Russian-backed fighters are firing hundreds of shells and rockets toward Ukraine each day, many of which are launched from civilian areas, and Ukraine is unable to respond adequately."

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

140 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
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XM5ER said:
The last line form the article
"Putin has been able to keep the conflict out of the headlines, and away from the attention of voters in Europe and the United States, who might otherwise pressure their governments to do something to stop it."

If that deluded statement doesn't mark the article out as propaganda then I don't know what does.
There are a few other gems in there as well. But hey, they know their target audience. hehe

Prince Philip

79 posts

111 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
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Let's face it, this is a US/EU land grab and nothing more.

Zod

35,295 posts

264 months

Monday 24th August 2015
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Prince Philip said:
Let's face it, this is a US/EU land grab and nothing more.
Remind me who has grabbed land in this case. Oh, no need, I just remembered. It was Russia.

rb5er

11,657 posts

178 months

Monday 24th August 2015
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Prince Philip said:
Let's face it, this is a US/EU land grab and nothing more.
I'm not quite sure you are understanding this.

eccles

13,802 posts

228 months

Monday 24th August 2015
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legzr1 said:
Send in the tube drivers and a couple of RMT Generals - soon put a stop to this nonsense.
Na, just send in a few of these city type to tell the locals if they don't like it, go choose another country.

anonymous-user

60 months

Monday 24th August 2015
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Zod said:
Prince Philip said:
Let's face it, this is a US/EU land grab and nothing more.
Remind me who has grabbed land in this case. Oh, no need, I just remembered. It was Russia.
Maybe your memory isn't that great.

Cheese Mechanic

Original Poster:

3,157 posts

175 months

Monday 24th August 2015
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Jimboka said:
Zod said:
Prince Philip said:
Let's face it, this is a US/EU land grab and nothing more.
Remind me who has grabbed land in this case. Oh, no need, I just remembered. It was Russia.
Maybe your memory isn't that great.
Blimey, Russia did not annexe the Crimea either, via a "referendum" that did not offer the option of the status quo . Nope, never, not at all

Octoposse

2,222 posts

191 months

Monday 24th August 2015
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Cheese Mechanic said:
Jimboka said:
Zod said:
Prince Philip said:
Let's face it, this is a US/EU land grab and nothing more.
Remind me who has grabbed land in this case. Oh, no need, I just remembered. It was Russia.
Maybe your memory isn't that great.
Blimey, Russia did not annexe the Crimea either, via a "referendum" that did not offer the option of the status quo . Nope, never, not at all
The oft repeated criticism of an admittedly flawed process seems designed to focus attention away from precedent (Kosovo), principle (self determination of peoples) and fact (the majority of people in Crimea are Russian, consider themselves Russian, and wish to be Russian).

Zod

35,295 posts

264 months

Tuesday 25th August 2015
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Jimboka said:
Zod said:
Prince Philip said:
Let's face it, this is a US/EU land grab and nothing more.
Remind me who has grabbed land in this case. Oh, no need, I just remembered. It was Russia.
Maybe your memory isn't that great.
It's clearly better than yours.

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

140 months

Tuesday 25th August 2015
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Octoposse said:
The oft repeated criticism of an admittedly flawed process seems designed to focus attention away from precedent (Kosovo), principle (self determination of peoples) and fact (the majority of people in Crimea are Russian, consider themselves Russian, and wish to be Russian).
The most amusing part of the "annexation" sound byte is that it comes straight from the mouth of empire itself. Perhaps the US should consider returning the Philippines or Hawaii to its rightful owners? Hell, much of the United States wouldn't be part of the United States were it not for good 'ol annexation.

And of course one might even ponder whether there is really any difference today in "annexation" or "subversion of democracy" to the tune of 5 billion dollars and some neo-nazis.

Yes, the irony is thick 'round these parts.


DMN

3,016 posts

145 months

Tuesday 25th August 2015
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Prince Philip said:
Let's face it, this is a US/EU land grab and nothing more.
35 posts - 1 month.

Obvious Putinbot is obvious.

DMN

3,016 posts

145 months

Tuesday 25th August 2015
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scherzkeks said:
Yes, the irony is thick 'round these parts.
No, we just accept that two wrongs do not make a right. If you want to start a discussion about Hawaii, you are free to do so in another thread. This is a thread about Putins illegal actions in the Ukraine. Trying to obfuscate will not change that.

Octoposse

2,222 posts

191 months

Tuesday 25th August 2015
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scherzkeks said:
Octoposse said:
The oft repeated criticism of an admittedly flawed process seems designed to focus attention away from precedent (Kosovo), principle (self determination of peoples) and fact (the majority of people in Crimea are Russian, consider themselves Russian, and wish to be Russian).
The most amusing part of the "annexation" sound byte is that it comes straight from the mouth of empire itself. Perhaps the US should consider returning the Philippines or Hawaii to its rightful owners? Hell, much of the United States wouldn't be part of the United States were it not for good 'ol annexation.

And of course one might even ponder whether there is really any difference today in "annexation" or "subversion of democracy" to the tune of 5 billion dollars and some neo-nazis.

Yes, the irony is thick 'round these parts.
Quite so. And, from a purely practical viewpoint, Moscow is in terms of domestic politics as able to return Crimea as Washington is to return Texas to Mexico. 'Our' reluctance to a peace deal recognising that reality (we told the Serbs, with a shrug, to 'face reality' over Kosovo - time to tell Ukraine the same re Crimea), which has been achievable for sixteen months now, is largely responsible for the carnage and untold misery in the East.

Octoposse

2,222 posts

191 months

Tuesday 25th August 2015
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DMN said:
. . . Putins illegal actions in the Ukraine . . .
Article 1

The Purposes of the United Nations are:
. . . . To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples . . .

Cheese Mechanic

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3,157 posts

175 months

Tuesday 25th August 2015
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Octoposse said:
Article 1
The Purposes of the United Nations are:
. . . . To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples . . .
What has that got to do with Russia invading Ukraine? Particularly with tank variants only Russia uses?

Just one report here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30907443

Another here, "rebels" admitting Regular Russian forces involved (if we were ever stupid enough to think otherwise)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/r...



Edited by Cheese Mechanic on Tuesday 25th August 09:37

Puggit

48,781 posts

254 months

Tuesday 25th August 2015
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scherzkeks said:
Perhaps the US should consider returning the Philippines ... to its rightful owners?
That one isn't going unchallenged!!!