No. of young people not in work or education hits 11y high
Discussion
BBC report says: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ymvnrn0deo
From this:
'In 2023, almost one out of every five (19.5%) had a mental-health condition... Most of the people surveyed felt anxious about their future on a daily basis.
And almost one out of every three (31%) said they would like to work but poor mental health prevented it
one out of every two (50%) said being unemployed made them feel hopeless about the future'
From this:
'In 2023, almost one out of every five (19.5%) had a mental-health condition... Most of the people surveyed felt anxious about their future on a daily basis.
And almost one out of every three (31%) said they would like to work but poor mental health prevented it
one out of every two (50%) said being unemployed made them feel hopeless about the future'
You can kind of see why, for youngsters what is the point of working rather than living at home eating your parents food and playing X Box all day?
What's the alternative, once you start your working life you are on a path that is literally impossible to get off of until you can either afford to retire or die.
Once they have paid rent, bills and food there will be nothing left over, and unless you have wealthy parents, owning a property is unlikely to ever happen.
Companies want their pound of flesh, there are no easy jobs anymore and work is more stressful that it has ever been.
The question should actually be what incentive is there for these young people to actually bother ever working?
What's the alternative, once you start your working life you are on a path that is literally impossible to get off of until you can either afford to retire or die.
Once they have paid rent, bills and food there will be nothing left over, and unless you have wealthy parents, owning a property is unlikely to ever happen.
Companies want their pound of flesh, there are no easy jobs anymore and work is more stressful that it has ever been.
The question should actually be what incentive is there for these young people to actually bother ever working?
So, what, just don't bother because life seems too hard? Achieve nothing with your life. Do nothing with your life?
Too many seem to complain about how hard life might be (because they daren't try it) instead of working out how others are succeeding. When you want to buy a house and have a family it's tough, it always has been, but previously everyone managed it. Yes, houses are pricey now so buy a run down one and do it up. Buy one in a cheaper area. Don't want to? Fine, live at home.
It seems there's a mindset of life simply being too hard to even bother trying.
Too many seem to complain about how hard life might be (because they daren't try it) instead of working out how others are succeeding. When you want to buy a house and have a family it's tough, it always has been, but previously everyone managed it. Yes, houses are pricey now so buy a run down one and do it up. Buy one in a cheaper area. Don't want to? Fine, live at home.
It seems there's a mindset of life simply being too hard to even bother trying.
I think half the problem is that the parent's don't force their children to actually do anything. When I was 18 I was quite introverted and spent a lot of time in my bedroom playing computer games. When I finished my A levels my parents said to me "You can either go to university or you can get a job". I didn't fancy getting a job so I went to University instead.
I know of quite a few youngsters in their late teens and early 20s who literally do just that, sit at home and play XBox all day whilst their parent's go out to work. I have no idea what they plan on doing with their lives, a lot of the time these youngsters can't even be bothered to sign on for job seekers allowance.
The thing is these youngsters are absolutely useless, in reality who would employ them? I don't think half of them would even be able to make it on time to work each day.
The reality is the parents have enabled this behaviour and the youngsters are hiding behind "mental health". It is funny how in societies where if you don't work you don't eat such as when Poland was Communist you didn't have 25% of people saying they couldn't work due to "mental health"
I know of quite a few youngsters in their late teens and early 20s who literally do just that, sit at home and play XBox all day whilst their parent's go out to work. I have no idea what they plan on doing with their lives, a lot of the time these youngsters can't even be bothered to sign on for job seekers allowance.
The thing is these youngsters are absolutely useless, in reality who would employ them? I don't think half of them would even be able to make it on time to work each day.
The reality is the parents have enabled this behaviour and the youngsters are hiding behind "mental health". It is funny how in societies where if you don't work you don't eat such as when Poland was Communist you didn't have 25% of people saying they couldn't work due to "mental health"
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
I think half the problem is that the parent's don't force their children to actually do anything. When I was 18 I was quite introverted and spent a lot of time in my bedroom playing computer games. When I finished my A levels my parents said to me "You can either go to university or you can get a job". I didn't fancy getting a job so I went to University instead.
I know of quite a few youngsters in their late teens and early 20s who literally do just that, sit at home and play XBox all day whilst their parent's go out to work. I have no idea what they plan on doing with their lives, a lot of the time these youngsters can't even be bothered to sign on for job seekers allowance.
The thing is these youngsters are absolutely useless, in reality who would employ them? I don't think half of them would even be able to make it on time to work each day.
The reality is the parents have enabled this behaviour and the youngsters are hiding behind "mental health". It is funny how in societies where if you don't work you don't eat such as when Poland was Communist you didn't have 25% of people saying they couldn't work due to "mental health"
For balance, I don't know a single youngster like this.I know of quite a few youngsters in their late teens and early 20s who literally do just that, sit at home and play XBox all day whilst their parent's go out to work. I have no idea what they plan on doing with their lives, a lot of the time these youngsters can't even be bothered to sign on for job seekers allowance.
The thing is these youngsters are absolutely useless, in reality who would employ them? I don't think half of them would even be able to make it on time to work each day.
The reality is the parents have enabled this behaviour and the youngsters are hiding behind "mental health". It is funny how in societies where if you don't work you don't eat such as when Poland was Communist you didn't have 25% of people saying they couldn't work due to "mental health"
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
I think half the problem is that the parent's don't force their children to actually do anything. When I was 18 I was quite introverted and spent a lot of time in my bedroom playing computer games. When I finished my A levels my parents said to me "You can either go to university or you can get a job". I didn't fancy getting a job so I went to University instead.
I know of quite a few youngsters in their late teens and early 20s who literally do just that, sit at home and play XBox all day whilst their parent's go out to work. I have no idea what they plan on doing with their lives, a lot of the time these youngsters can't even be bothered to sign on for job seekers allowance.
The thing is these youngsters are absolutely useless, in reality who would employ them? I don't think half of them would even be able to make it on time to work each day.
The reality is the parents have enabled this behaviour and the youngsters are hiding behind "mental health". It is funny how in societies where if you don't work you don't eat such as when Poland was Communist you didn't have 25% of people saying they couldn't work due to "mental health"
I’m not saying a disagree with you but the point about go to a university or get a job, I suspect when you went to University you paid no tuition fees or they were at least minimal? I know of quite a few youngsters in their late teens and early 20s who literally do just that, sit at home and play XBox all day whilst their parent's go out to work. I have no idea what they plan on doing with their lives, a lot of the time these youngsters can't even be bothered to sign on for job seekers allowance.
The thing is these youngsters are absolutely useless, in reality who would employ them? I don't think half of them would even be able to make it on time to work each day.
The reality is the parents have enabled this behaviour and the youngsters are hiding behind "mental health". It is funny how in societies where if you don't work you don't eat such as when Poland was Communist you didn't have 25% of people saying they couldn't work due to "mental health"
Now tuition fees alone are probably around 9k a year so a 3 year course creates 27k debt and university’s are full of students doing largely meaningless degrees which will have little benefit in gaining them employment.
The landscape has changed. I’ll be encouraging my kids to look at other options at 18 unless they have a specific goal for a career which requires a specific degree.
Frimley111R said:
So, what, just don't bother because life seems too hard? Achieve nothing with your life. Do nothing with your life?
Too many seem to complain about how hard life might be (because they daren't try it) instead of working out how others are succeeding. When you want to buy a house and have a family it's tough, it always has been, but previously everyone managed it. Yes, houses are pricey now so buy a run down one and do it up. Buy one in a cheaper area. Don't want to? Fine, live at home.
It seems there's a mindset of life simply being too hard to even bother trying.
The reward:effort ratio for these things is so far out of kilter compared to the past, though. Wages have not kept up with any of the following: growth, productivity, living costs, transport costs, property prices. Too many seem to complain about how hard life might be (because they daren't try it) instead of working out how others are succeeding. When you want to buy a house and have a family it's tough, it always has been, but previously everyone managed it. Yes, houses are pricey now so buy a run down one and do it up. Buy one in a cheaper area. Don't want to? Fine, live at home.
It seems there's a mindset of life simply being too hard to even bother trying.
The (relatively) expensive houses are in areas where the (relatively) well-paying jobs are concentrated, the (relatively) cheap ones are cheap because they tend to be in areas that lack jobs with decent pay and prospects or that would (to echo another thread running at the moment) pleasant to settle down and raise a family. Stable careers that enable security and planning and saving and working towards goals are increasingly hard to find. The impact of 'failure' - taking a gamble or a risk on a business venture, buying a 'fixer-upper' or even moving in with a long-term partner are harsher than they were.
Like so much in modern life, it's become a sharp divide between 'haves' and 'have nots'. If you have aptitude, skills and qualifications that are in demand in a growth industry you can do well. As you can if you have access to generational wealth to get you started or act as a safety net for risk. If you're of average aptitude, average education, average ambition etc. etc. and making your way on your own resources it's increasingly hard to see even an average lifestyle and average standard of living (as defined by social expectations based on a world that's increasingly vanishing) as being attainable without a large degree of luck and an unfeasible/unreasonable amount of personal effort and sacrifice that - and I emphasise - shouldn't be required to just obtain the basic, average expectations of what an independent adult life can provide.
In my 20s I moved away from southern England to a bit of the Midlands with a dodgy reputation and lower property prices. Even taking all the banal advice - packed lunches, nothing on credit, an old car that I worked on myself, no holidays, keeping my hand-me-down Blackberry until it ground to a halt, no fancy new clothes etc. etc. - my ability to save for even a small, old house in an affordable area was outpaced by the rising costs of living and the costs of mortgages.
Saying "everyone managed it in the past" isn't a solution. The evidence rather clearly shows that, for whatever reasons(s), fewer people feel they can 'manage it'. Never mind getting into how many of the people in the past would rather not have 'managed it'.
Jamescrs said:
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
I think half the problem is that the parent's don't force their children to actually do anything. When I was 18 I was quite introverted and spent a lot of time in my bedroom playing computer games. When I finished my A levels my parents said to me "You can either go to university or you can get a job". I didn't fancy getting a job so I went to University instead.
I know of quite a few youngsters in their late teens and early 20s who literally do just that, sit at home and play XBox all day whilst their parent's go out to work. I have no idea what they plan on doing with their lives, a lot of the time these youngsters can't even be bothered to sign on for job seekers allowance.
The thing is these youngsters are absolutely useless, in reality who would employ them? I don't think half of them would even be able to make it on time to work each day.
The reality is the parents have enabled this behaviour and the youngsters are hiding behind "mental health". It is funny how in societies where if you don't work you don't eat such as when Poland was Communist you didn't have 25% of people saying they couldn't work due to "mental health"
I’m not saying a disagree with you but the point about go to a university or get a job, I suspect when you went to University you paid no tuition fees or they were at least minimal? I know of quite a few youngsters in their late teens and early 20s who literally do just that, sit at home and play XBox all day whilst their parent's go out to work. I have no idea what they plan on doing with their lives, a lot of the time these youngsters can't even be bothered to sign on for job seekers allowance.
The thing is these youngsters are absolutely useless, in reality who would employ them? I don't think half of them would even be able to make it on time to work each day.
The reality is the parents have enabled this behaviour and the youngsters are hiding behind "mental health". It is funny how in societies where if you don't work you don't eat such as when Poland was Communist you didn't have 25% of people saying they couldn't work due to "mental health"
Now tuition fees alone are probably around 9k a year so a 3 year course creates 27k debt and university’s are full of students doing largely meaningless degrees which will have little benefit in gaining them employment.
The landscape has changed. I’ll be encouraging my kids to look at other options at 18 unless they have a specific goal for a career which requires a specific degree.
And whilst some courses may seem meaningless, university education is not always about subject specific learning and more about the process of learning which teaches the student the art of critical thinking, research, analysis and the power of persuasion, all of which can be applied to any number of professional pursuits. It's not uncommon to find Barristers and the like with supplementary degrees in Fine Art or History because to obtain a degree in these things requires detailed research and consideration of historical events to arrive at a conclusion which may differ from that of others - exactly what they'd do in court.
I'd say that part of the problem is the reverse of this - people going to University to study something that can be more than amply covered at a local college. But more and more employers are increasingly expecting degrees for jobs that previously wasn't necessary. So kids who are not naturally 'cut-out' for University are seeing the need to go to one regardless. And because their parents may be critical and vocal about the tuition fees those kids may feel that they want to avoid that financial burden but are being forced to accept it. That's where a lot of the mental / anxiety issues come from.
I feel young people conflict exertion and effort and the stress of life that goes with it with poor mental health much of the time. Life sucks at time, and you have to get on with it and put the leg work in to make life better.
If you put the effort in the rewards will come, but there is no instant gratification Unfortunately.
I am 33, tried A levels and they sucked, got an apprenticeship and subsequent academic education for years and years. Now have a nice house, a BEng and a reasonable quality of life. But it hasn't just come to me by sitting on my arse.
If you put the effort in the rewards will come, but there is no instant gratification Unfortunately.
I am 33, tried A levels and they sucked, got an apprenticeship and subsequent academic education for years and years. Now have a nice house, a BEng and a reasonable quality of life. But it hasn't just come to me by sitting on my arse.
2xChevrons said:
The reward:effort ratio for these things is so far out of kilter compared to the past, though. Wages have not kept up with any of the following: growth, productivity, living costs, transport costs, property prices.
The (relatively) expensive houses are in areas where the (relatively) well-paying jobs are concentrated, the (relatively) cheap ones are cheap because they tend to be in areas that lack jobs with decent pay and prospects or that would (to echo another thread running at the moment) pleasant to settle down and raise a family. Stable careers that enable security and planning and saving and working towards goals are increasingly hard to find. The impact of 'failure' - taking a gamble or a risk on a business venture, buying a 'fixer-upper' or even moving in with a long-term partner are harsher than they were.
Like so much in modern life, it's become a sharp divide between 'haves' and 'have nots'. If you have aptitude, skills and qualifications that are in demand in a growth industry you can do well. As you can if you have access to generational wealth to get you started or act as a safety net for risk. If you're of average aptitude, average education, average ambition etc. etc. and making your way on your own resources it's increasingly hard to see even an average lifestyle and average standard of living (as defined by social expectations based on a world that's increasingly vanishing) as being attainable without a large degree of luck and an unfeasible/unreasonable amount of personal effort and sacrifice that - and I emphasise - shouldn't be required to just obtain the basic, average expectations of what an independent adult life can provide.
In my 20s I moved away from southern England to a bit of the Midlands with a dodgy reputation and lower property prices. Even taking all the banal advice - packed lunches, nothing on credit, an old car that I worked on myself, no holidays, keeping my hand-me-down Blackberry until it ground to a halt, no fancy new clothes etc. etc. - my ability to save for even a small, old house in an affordable area was outpaced by the rising costs of living and the costs of mortgages.
Saying "everyone managed it in the past" isn't a solution. The evidence rather clearly shows that, for whatever reasons(s), fewer people feel they can 'manage it'. Never mind getting into how many of the people in the past would rather not have 'managed it'.
Agree with this, I'm fortunate to have a "good" job which I enjoy and pays me enough to live on etc, despite not always making the best decisions etc. I'm happy enough with my life and don't feel hard done by.The (relatively) expensive houses are in areas where the (relatively) well-paying jobs are concentrated, the (relatively) cheap ones are cheap because they tend to be in areas that lack jobs with decent pay and prospects or that would (to echo another thread running at the moment) pleasant to settle down and raise a family. Stable careers that enable security and planning and saving and working towards goals are increasingly hard to find. The impact of 'failure' - taking a gamble or a risk on a business venture, buying a 'fixer-upper' or even moving in with a long-term partner are harsher than they were.
Like so much in modern life, it's become a sharp divide between 'haves' and 'have nots'. If you have aptitude, skills and qualifications that are in demand in a growth industry you can do well. As you can if you have access to generational wealth to get you started or act as a safety net for risk. If you're of average aptitude, average education, average ambition etc. etc. and making your way on your own resources it's increasingly hard to see even an average lifestyle and average standard of living (as defined by social expectations based on a world that's increasingly vanishing) as being attainable without a large degree of luck and an unfeasible/unreasonable amount of personal effort and sacrifice that - and I emphasise - shouldn't be required to just obtain the basic, average expectations of what an independent adult life can provide.
In my 20s I moved away from southern England to a bit of the Midlands with a dodgy reputation and lower property prices. Even taking all the banal advice - packed lunches, nothing on credit, an old car that I worked on myself, no holidays, keeping my hand-me-down Blackberry until it ground to a halt, no fancy new clothes etc. etc. - my ability to save for even a small, old house in an affordable area was outpaced by the rising costs of living and the costs of mortgages.
Saying "everyone managed it in the past" isn't a solution. The evidence rather clearly shows that, for whatever reasons(s), fewer people feel they can 'manage it'. Never mind getting into how many of the people in the past would rather not have 'managed it'.
Not sure how I'd view things if I were 25 years younger and it seemed like everything was both disproportionality expense and opportunities weren't what they were.
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
I think half the problem is that the parent's don't force their children to actually do anything.
I know of quite a few youngsters in their late teens and early 20s who literally do just that, sit at home and play XBox all day whilst their parent's go out to work. I have no idea what they plan on doing with their lives, a lot of the time these youngsters can't even be bothered to sign on for job seekers allowance.
The thing is these youngsters are absolutely useless, in reality who would employ them? I don't think half of them would even be able to make it on time to work each day.
The reality is the parents have enabled this behaviour and the youngsters are hiding behind "mental health". It is funny how in societies where if you don't work you don't eat such as when Poland was Communist you didn't have 25% of people saying they couldn't work due to "mental health"
There's a household of them in social housing in my road. You would've thought they were under Police protection the way they never leave the house or even go into the garden. The council or whomever even sends a taxi daily to pick up one of the son's for (special needs I assume) school. The taxi arrives 08:45 & the driver knocks to door, often waiting around until 09:00 & more often than not leaves without the neighbour emerging from the house or even acknowledging the taxi turning up. Absolute wasters the lot of them!I know of quite a few youngsters in their late teens and early 20s who literally do just that, sit at home and play XBox all day whilst their parent's go out to work. I have no idea what they plan on doing with their lives, a lot of the time these youngsters can't even be bothered to sign on for job seekers allowance.
The thing is these youngsters are absolutely useless, in reality who would employ them? I don't think half of them would even be able to make it on time to work each day.
The reality is the parents have enabled this behaviour and the youngsters are hiding behind "mental health". It is funny how in societies where if you don't work you don't eat such as when Poland was Communist you didn't have 25% of people saying they couldn't work due to "mental health"
Jamescrs said:
I’m not saying a disagree with you but the point about go to a university or get a job, I suspect when you went to University you paid no tuition fees or they were at least minimal?
Now tuition fees alone are probably around 9k a year so a 3 year course creates 27k debt and university’s are full of students doing largely meaningless degrees which will have little benefit in gaining them employment.
The landscape has changed. I’ll be encouraging my kids to look at other options at 18 unless they have a specific goal for a career which requires a specific degree.
You are correct, I went to Uni when there was no tuition fees and in the last years of getting a grant. Not sure how keen I would be going and ending up with £50K of debt. My daughter is due to go to university in September, this frightens the hell out of me that at barely 18 she is signing up to a life of slavery.Now tuition fees alone are probably around 9k a year so a 3 year course creates 27k debt and university’s are full of students doing largely meaningless degrees which will have little benefit in gaining them employment.
The landscape has changed. I’ll be encouraging my kids to look at other options at 18 unless they have a specific goal for a career which requires a specific degree.
Then when she graduates unless she is lucky enough to get a very well paid job she is unlikely to be able to afford a house. If she rents she is effectively paying someone else's mortgage and retirement plan which frightens me as well.
Really hoping I can give her a decent chunk of money at some point to make her life easier, but what if there is no chance of your parents doing this for you?
As I said earlier, I can see why so many youngsters think the game is rigged and the only way to win is not to play.
When I taught, I did so in Hull and at that specific point in time, statistically I taught the bottom sets, in the bottom school whilst Hull was bottom nationally.
You could argue, the worst kids in the country in mainstream
However, the school had some of the lowest NEETS (Not in education, employment or training) in the country.
Why, because hard and daft kids wanted to go out and earn money and get jobs!
We've created a culture of high expectations, low responsibility and the belief I can and do deserve everything.
You could argue, the worst kids in the country in mainstream
However, the school had some of the lowest NEETS (Not in education, employment or training) in the country.
Why, because hard and daft kids wanted to go out and earn money and get jobs!
We've created a culture of high expectations, low responsibility and the belief I can and do deserve everything.
dundarach said:
We've created a culture of high expectations, low responsibility and the belief I can and do deserve everything.
I'd say that's close to the mark for maybe 30% or so of under 25's. One of my wifes young colleagues asked not to be woken from a nap the other day... at work, at their desk. I had one go home because they were feeling too much pressure (the other 10+ people doing the same job were perplexed as well).Flipside, some kids work bloody hard, get a decent education, further qualifications, move into a professional career and achieve something through effort and commitment.
Parental influence obviously comes into it but a lot depends on the kids and their peer group.
iphonedyou said:
For balance, I don't know a single youngster like this.
I do, my Son. My friend has a Step-Son who's the same. There's an entire group of Young adults between 18-21 ish who don't seem able to cope with anything. We tried the whole "it's college or work" think. He chose college, so he got to spend the summer off, left college after a few weeks because it made him anxious. We tried everything to get him back. Short of letting him lay in bed all day and complete assignments when he felt like it, he wouldn't stay.
We told him to get a job "or else" but he soon worked out "else" was an empty threat. In the end, my Wife would apply for jobs for him, he'd work a bit, maybe a few hours a week in a pub to keep him in vapes, but that was it. 6 months later he announced he'd be returning to college in September. My Wife was delighted, I had my doubts. He was told to stay in work until college started, he was 'let go' 3 days later, not his fault of course... September came, he went to college, for a day, then left. He'd spend his days walking around town waiting until 2pm to come home, by now he'd turned 18 and the college weren't able to contact us, he was after all an adult now. It was December when my Wife finally accepted, he wasn't going. It was now 18 months since he'd done anything really tangible with his life.
The following 12 month were Hell, he'd find a few hours work a week somewhere but soon leave or get sacked, he did find a full-time job 6 months later, by now he had a BF and wanted to do things I wouldn't pay for. It was great, he came out of his bedroom, he cleaned up his appearance, started keeping normal hours. It lasted 2 months, another engineered, self-inflicted crisis, another story, another excuse, another reason. Finally, after coming close to separating My Wife took the blinkers off and "or else" happened, 2 and 1/2 years into his post education sabbatical he was forced to leave home. His BF's parents took him in, that was 6 months ago. They're at each other's necks now, Dad's hitting the booze, Mum's losing her mind. I did try to warn them. He asked to come home "for a few weeks until I can get a job", I shut that down.
So finally, he's got a job, he started Monday, Wife's had to book him a GP appointment this afternoon for a stomach issue, I did ask her to tell him to call himself, but she did it anyway. This is how it starts...
Almost none of his peer group work FT, some are still in education, some are working PT for beer and vape money living at home. Mentally they're too young to join the adult world, but they're too old to be Children, they live in limbo, with no ambition to do anything, one day just turns into the next, but they all have an unwavering belief that their parents have a life-long responsibility to provide and care for them.
Still, as horrible as it had been, I'm glad I stuck in the fight. My Mate's step-son must be close to 30 now, no ambition and no desire to be anything. Doesn't go anywhere, doesn't do anything.
Its bloody hard for kids today (lack of opportunities, high expectations, education disrupted by covid etc) Feels like opportunities never really recovered from the credit crunch (back in 2008).
I have two daughters (early 20s), with "proper old school" degrees (Law & Physics), from top universities, both had to work super hard to land jobs (both landed grad roles in global companies).
Youngest is paid around the living wage, the other about 20% above (London based). If it's tough for them, what about the other 90% of kids their age.
I have two daughters (early 20s), with "proper old school" degrees (Law & Physics), from top universities, both had to work super hard to land jobs (both landed grad roles in global companies).
Youngest is paid around the living wage, the other about 20% above (London based). If it's tough for them, what about the other 90% of kids their age.
They feel helpless.
My daughter is applying for jobs,she has a 2.1 from Exeter,Law with business.
She had an interview with a recruiter for a job at a sales and marketing firm in Manchester.
The job has a probation period of 2 weeks.
That’s 2 weeks unpaid,factor in the train to Manchester and that 2 weeks is costing £200 in train fares.
This is a job paying a smidge over minimum wage.
It’s no wonder they don’t feel valued and would rather stay at home, I know I would.
My daughter is applying for jobs,she has a 2.1 from Exeter,Law with business.
She had an interview with a recruiter for a job at a sales and marketing firm in Manchester.
The job has a probation period of 2 weeks.
That’s 2 weeks unpaid,factor in the train to Manchester and that 2 weeks is costing £200 in train fares.
This is a job paying a smidge over minimum wage.
It’s no wonder they don’t feel valued and would rather stay at home, I know I would.
P-Jay said:
Almost none of his peer group work FT, some are still in education, some are working PT for beer and vape money living at home. Mentally they're too young to join the adult world, but they're too old to be Children, they live in limbo, with no ambition to do anything, one day just turns into the next, but they all have an unwavering belief that their parents have a life-long responsibility to provide and care for them.
That exactly describes the youngsters I know who are in this situation. The parents just don't want to discuss it, I assume they were in a similar situation to you and have just given in and accept it now.One of them did eventually go to university, but he graduated last year, moved back home and from what I understand has gone back to playing XBox all day and eating everything that is in the cupboard. His brother is the same although he never went to university.
Their dad is 60 and still working a manual job while both of his sons who are in their 20s do nothing apart from eat him out of house and home. Neither of them does anything to help at home.
The dad was doing some work at my parents house and the sons came along for the day to help. They were incapable of doing anything and had to sit down for a rest after five minutes. In the end my 68 year old mother took the shovel off one of them and took over as he was so useless.
As you say, one day drifts into the next, the eldest one is probably only a few years off thirty now. No idea what will happen when their parents get too old to work or pass away.
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