Care home residents dead after police chase.
Care home residents dead after police chase.
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shed driver

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3,096 posts

191 months

Friday 11th July 2025
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Two elderly residents died after a stolen car crashed into a care home. The deaths occurred after they were transferred to another care home and the occupants of the car have been arrested for manslaughter. Whether there is a demonstrable link between the crash and their deaths will be difficult to prove in court.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9w1n78qq8lo


SD.

EmailAddress

14,640 posts

249 months

Friday 11th July 2025
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Well they presumably weren't dead before that wafer thin wall was caved in.

shed driver

Original Poster:

3,096 posts

191 months

Friday 11th July 2025
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EmailAddress said:
Well they presumably weren't dead before that wafer thin wall was caved in.
True, but they were transferred to another care home and died there.

SD.

anonymous-user

85 months

Friday 11th July 2025
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shed driver said:
True, but they were transferred to another care home and died there.

SD.
So what?

Countdown

49,519 posts

227 months

Friday 11th July 2025
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Badda said:
shed driver said:
True, but they were transferred to another care home and died there.

SD.
So what?
Because, unless they were injured in the actual accident, there’s no reason, on the face of it, to connect their deaths to the accident.

Old people tend to die as a result of natural causes sometimes.

E63eeeeee...

5,766 posts

80 months

Friday 11th July 2025
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They really don't make brick walls like they used to.

OutInTheShed

14,846 posts

57 months

Friday 11th July 2025
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A high percentage of people in care homes are 'on their way out'.
Any shock could finish them off.

But is it really manslaughter if a life is shortened by a week or two of non-quality time?
When I'm in one of these places I'll probably welcome a bit of excitement with a risk of checking out!

Or the people in this case may have been completely with-it and would have enjoyed many more months or years?

Gareth79

9,130 posts

277 months

Friday 11th July 2025
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shed driver said:
EmailAddress said:
Well they presumably weren't dead before that wafer thin wall was caved in.
True, but they were transferred to another care home and died there.

SD.
It doesn't say whether they were transferred from the care home to another care home, or whether they were one of the eight people taken to hospital and then released to a care home.

If they were on part of the upper floor which collapsed then they may well have suffered some sort of bruising or internal injury which finished them off.

Derek Smith

49,978 posts

279 months

Friday 11th July 2025
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OutInTheShed said:
But is it really manslaughter if a life is shortened by a week or two of non-quality time?
Take a wild guess.

BikeBikeBIke

14,642 posts

146 months

Friday 11th July 2025
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Derek Smith said:
Take a wild guess.
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If you're gonna kill someone make sure they have years of quality life ahead to make the life sentence worth while.

wildone63

1,048 posts

242 months

Friday 11th July 2025
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No doubt both of the low lifes arrested will claim the other was driving.

pavarotti1980

6,381 posts

115 months

Saturday 12th July 2025
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Seems a bit more complex than a plain pursuit

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-ne...

Ridgemont

9,672 posts

162 months

Saturday 12th July 2025
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shed driver said:
EmailAddress said:
Well they presumably weren't dead before that wafer thin wall was caved in.
True, but they were transferred to another care home and died there.

SD.
So they died with thin wall crushing but not of it?

How very covid. rofl

JagLover

46,834 posts

266 months

Saturday 12th July 2025
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I take it this is a timber frame with a brick skin?. I saw a care home being built near me that seemed to have that construction and I thought it looked rather flimsy.

As for a manslaughter charge unless there is a direct link to injuries caused by the accident then that's a no for me. Care home residents are usually close to going out in any case and just some disruption can speed that process along.

Alex Z

2,090 posts

107 months

Saturday 12th July 2025
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OutInTheShed said:
A high percentage of people in care homes are 'on their way out'.
Any shock could finish them off.

But is it really manslaughter if a life is shortened by a week or two of non-quality time?
When I'm in one of these places I'll probably welcome a bit of excitement with a risk of checking out!

Or the people in this case may have been completely with-it and would have enjoyed many more months or years?
So your argument is that they may have died soon so it’s ok to kill them?


119

20,094 posts

67 months

Saturday 12th July 2025
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Alex Z said:
OutInTheShed said:
A high percentage of people in care homes are 'on their way out'.
Any shock could finish them off.

But is it really manslaughter if a life is shortened by a week or two of non-quality time?
When I'm in one of these places I'll probably welcome a bit of excitement with a risk of checking out!

Or the people in this case may have been completely with-it and would have enjoyed many more months or years?
So your argument is that they may have died soon so it s ok to kill them?
The mental gymnastics going on there is Olympic standards.

greygoose

9,669 posts

226 months

Saturday 12th July 2025
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JagLover said:
I take it this is a timber frame with a brick skin?. I saw a care home being built near me that seemed to have that construction and I thought it looked rather flimsy.
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The wall was fine until the car hit it, unless you live in a castle most houses are going to suffer serious damage when hit by a vehicle travelling at some speed.

ED209

6,027 posts

275 months

Saturday 12th July 2025
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The two people who have unfortunately passed away were not in the part of the building that was directly the vehicle hit. Although I can’t imagine that the shock of such an incident would be good for a very elderly persons health.

Randy Winkman

22,718 posts

220 months

Saturday 12th July 2025
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Some of the replies to this thread are surprising to me. A stolen car in a police chase resulting in 8 people ending up in hospital, with two dead. frown

Earlier this year, my (now late) mother was in a care home for 3 months and I can hardly imagine something more stressful for the old people, the families and the staff. As if there isn't enough to deal with. My sympathies to all of them. And I really dont care how the perpetrators are dealt with.

I know I might get a bolshy reply from someone like I did in the PE teacher thread, but the general feel of this thread is too me a bit different from the recent one about 3 stolen motorcycles. By that I mean with regard to the particular issue that people have chosen to write their words about.

Timothy Bucktu

16,952 posts

231 months

Saturday 12th July 2025
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Randy Winkman said:
Some of the replies to this thread are surprising to me. A stolen car in a police chase resulting in 8 people ending up in hospital, with two dead. frown

Earlier this year, my (now late) mother was in a care home for 3 months and I can hardly imagine something more stressful for the old people, the families and the staff. As if there isn't enough to deal with. My sympathies to all of them. And I really dont care how the perpetrators are dealt with.

I know I might get a bolshy reply from someone like I did in the PE teacher thread, but the general feel of this thread is too me a bit different from the recent one about 3 stolen motorcycles. By that I mean with regard to the particular issue that people have chosen to write their words about.
I think most people have suggested crashing a car into their home certainly won't have helped, but is that manslaughter if they weren't even in the same room? I don't know...but it's an interesting conundrum.
If that is deemed manslaughter, then I wonder if preventing these old folks from seeing their relatives during covid, which was no doubt very distressing, added with the doom and fret being fed down the TV antenna on a daily basis could also be considered manslaughter...hyperbolic yes, but is it different?
You could replace Covid with Climate Change, threat of war, UK heatwave...any other hyperbole. I know my elderly Mum frets about all sorts of nonsense she hears on the TV. I try and tell her to stop listening to it because it stresses her out...FFS.