Care home residents dead after police chase.
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Two elderly residents died after a stolen car crashed into a care home. The deaths occurred after they were transferred to another care home and the occupants of the car have been arrested for manslaughter. Whether there is a demonstrable link between the crash and their deaths will be difficult to prove in court.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9w1n78qq8lo
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9w1n78qq8lo
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Badda said:
shed driver said:
True, but they were transferred to another care home and died there.
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So what? SD.
Old people tend to die as a result of natural causes sometimes.
A high percentage of people in care homes are 'on their way out'.
Any shock could finish them off.
But is it really manslaughter if a life is shortened by a week or two of non-quality time?
When I'm in one of these places I'll probably welcome a bit of excitement with a risk of checking out!
Or the people in this case may have been completely with-it and would have enjoyed many more months or years?
Any shock could finish them off.
But is it really manslaughter if a life is shortened by a week or two of non-quality time?
When I'm in one of these places I'll probably welcome a bit of excitement with a risk of checking out!
Or the people in this case may have been completely with-it and would have enjoyed many more months or years?
shed driver said:
EmailAddress said:
Well they presumably weren't dead before that wafer thin wall was caved in.
True, but they were transferred to another care home and died there.SD.
If they were on part of the upper floor which collapsed then they may well have suffered some sort of bruising or internal injury which finished them off.
I take it this is a timber frame with a brick skin?. I saw a care home being built near me that seemed to have that construction and I thought it looked rather flimsy.
As for a manslaughter charge unless there is a direct link to injuries caused by the accident then that's a no for me. Care home residents are usually close to going out in any case and just some disruption can speed that process along.
As for a manslaughter charge unless there is a direct link to injuries caused by the accident then that's a no for me. Care home residents are usually close to going out in any case and just some disruption can speed that process along.
OutInTheShed said:
A high percentage of people in care homes are 'on their way out'.
Any shock could finish them off.
But is it really manslaughter if a life is shortened by a week or two of non-quality time?
When I'm in one of these places I'll probably welcome a bit of excitement with a risk of checking out!
Or the people in this case may have been completely with-it and would have enjoyed many more months or years?
So your argument is that they may have died soon so it’s ok to kill them?Any shock could finish them off.
But is it really manslaughter if a life is shortened by a week or two of non-quality time?
When I'm in one of these places I'll probably welcome a bit of excitement with a risk of checking out!
Or the people in this case may have been completely with-it and would have enjoyed many more months or years?
Alex Z said:
OutInTheShed said:
A high percentage of people in care homes are 'on their way out'.
Any shock could finish them off.
But is it really manslaughter if a life is shortened by a week or two of non-quality time?
When I'm in one of these places I'll probably welcome a bit of excitement with a risk of checking out!
Or the people in this case may have been completely with-it and would have enjoyed many more months or years?
So your argument is that they may have died soon so it s ok to kill them?Any shock could finish them off.
But is it really manslaughter if a life is shortened by a week or two of non-quality time?
When I'm in one of these places I'll probably welcome a bit of excitement with a risk of checking out!
Or the people in this case may have been completely with-it and would have enjoyed many more months or years?
JagLover said:
I take it this is a timber frame with a brick skin?. I saw a care home being built near me that seemed to have that construction and I thought it looked rather flimsy.
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The wall was fine until the car hit it, unless you live in a castle most houses are going to suffer serious damage when hit by a vehicle travelling at some speed..
Some of the replies to this thread are surprising to me. A stolen car in a police chase resulting in 8 people ending up in hospital, with two dead. 
Earlier this year, my (now late) mother was in a care home for 3 months and I can hardly imagine something more stressful for the old people, the families and the staff. As if there isn't enough to deal with. My sympathies to all of them. And I really dont care how the perpetrators are dealt with.
I know I might get a bolshy reply from someone like I did in the PE teacher thread, but the general feel of this thread is too me a bit different from the recent one about 3 stolen motorcycles. By that I mean with regard to the particular issue that people have chosen to write their words about.
Earlier this year, my (now late) mother was in a care home for 3 months and I can hardly imagine something more stressful for the old people, the families and the staff. As if there isn't enough to deal with. My sympathies to all of them. And I really dont care how the perpetrators are dealt with.
I know I might get a bolshy reply from someone like I did in the PE teacher thread, but the general feel of this thread is too me a bit different from the recent one about 3 stolen motorcycles. By that I mean with regard to the particular issue that people have chosen to write their words about.
Randy Winkman said:
Some of the replies to this thread are surprising to me. A stolen car in a police chase resulting in 8 people ending up in hospital, with two dead.
Earlier this year, my (now late) mother was in a care home for 3 months and I can hardly imagine something more stressful for the old people, the families and the staff. As if there isn't enough to deal with. My sympathies to all of them. And I really dont care how the perpetrators are dealt with.
I know I might get a bolshy reply from someone like I did in the PE teacher thread, but the general feel of this thread is too me a bit different from the recent one about 3 stolen motorcycles. By that I mean with regard to the particular issue that people have chosen to write their words about.
I think most people have suggested crashing a car into their home certainly won't have helped, but is that manslaughter if they weren't even in the same room? I don't know...but it's an interesting conundrum.Earlier this year, my (now late) mother was in a care home for 3 months and I can hardly imagine something more stressful for the old people, the families and the staff. As if there isn't enough to deal with. My sympathies to all of them. And I really dont care how the perpetrators are dealt with.
I know I might get a bolshy reply from someone like I did in the PE teacher thread, but the general feel of this thread is too me a bit different from the recent one about 3 stolen motorcycles. By that I mean with regard to the particular issue that people have chosen to write their words about.
If that is deemed manslaughter, then I wonder if preventing these old folks from seeing their relatives during covid, which was no doubt very distressing, added with the doom and fret being fed down the TV antenna on a daily basis could also be considered manslaughter...hyperbolic yes, but is it different?
You could replace Covid with Climate Change, threat of war, UK heatwave...any other hyperbole. I know my elderly Mum frets about all sorts of nonsense she hears on the TV. I try and tell her to stop listening to it because it stresses her out...FFS.
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