Whom ever wins the election... loses....

[Tony*T3]

Surely, with the ecomonic situatin looking so bleak, whichever party wins the election only 'wins' the prospect of inheriting the biggest mess ever, therefore making them inevitably the most despised government we've ever had, and thus casting them adrift from the voters big style in the future?

Mass unemployment through public sector job cuts,
mass failures in private sector businesses,
serious fall in house prices leading to massive negative equity,
repossesions,
bitter strikes,
devalued currancy,
destroyd public services,
interest rates rising,
inflation spiralling
fuel prices

Etc etc

Surely, the winner of the next election inherits the ultimate 'Poison chalice', which will poison their parties future and ultimatly cast them into the equivalent of the 'wilderness years' that both Labour and the Conservatives have sufferred in recent decades.....

Surely, the only logical plan is to lose the current election, in order to win the next three or even four (the first of which could be less than a 6 months away if there is no clear majority anyway).

[JagLover]

True enough, but if Labour get in and attempt to close the deficit 'their' way, there won't be much of a country or economy left in five years time.

[dandarez]

It won't make a scrap of difference who loses or who wins out of the 3 so-called 'main' parties.

Brussels is virtually controlling us now, not much longer and it won't matter who is in power here, they will have NO power, it will ALL stem from Brussels.

RIP.

[Timberwolf]

So go hung parliament, no one in particular to blame except the public for failing to elect a decisive majority that could have actually done something useful.

Not that such a thing could ever happen, of course.

[daz4m]

JagLover said:

True enough, but if Labour get in and attempt to close the deficit 'their' way, there won't be much of a country or economy left in five years time.

Can you explain this please. I am of the feeling that they are probably the best position to take us through but would like to hear your POV?

[Jinx]

daz4m said:

Can you explain this please. I am of the feeling that they are probably the best position to take us through but would like to hear your POV?

So the people who got us into this mess - overspent when times were good, sold the Gold reserves at a cut price level, personally destroyed the private pension schemes that were the envy of Europe (against the advice of the civil servants) , refused to fulfill a manifesto promise of granting a referendum on Europe, embroiled the UK in an illegal war and murdered the scapegoat they had selected, have been shown to be financially an morally corrupt on numerous occasions, quadrupuled the "book of taxes", introduced a new law for every week in power, killing off local pubs, put every man woman and child in the UK into of £15k of debt, allowed immigration to run unchecked (when the French and Germans were not so shortsighted) and have insidiously involved themselves into every level of private life - these are the bunch of muppets "best" equiped to get us through. Dear lord a constipated goldfish would be a better bet than this lot.

[daz4m]

Jinx said:

daz4m said:

Can you explain this please. I am of the feeling that they are probably the best position to take us through but would like to hear your POV?

So the people who got us into this mess - overspent when times were good, sold the Gold reserves at a cut price level, personally destroyed the private pension schemes that were the envy of Europe (against the advice of the civil servants) , refused to fulfill a manifesto promise of granting a referendum on Europe, embroiled the UK in an illegal war and murdered the scapegoat they had selected, have been shown to be financially an morally corrupt on numerous occasions, quadrupuled the "book of taxes", introduced a new law for every week in power, killing off local pubs, put every man woman and child in the UK into of £15k of debt, allowed immigration to run unchecked (when the French and Germans were not so shortsighted) and have insidiously involved themselves into every level of private life - these are the bunch of muppets "best" equiped to get us through. Dear lord a constipated goldfish would be a better bet than this lot.

Yeah what they have done is not up for discussion my question relates to who will be best equipped to fix the mess we are in. I don't think Cameron is particulary trustworthy and the lib dems are not for me.

[randlemarcus]

daz4m said:

Yeah what they have done is not up for discussion my question relates to who will be best equipped to fix the mess we are in. I don't think Cameron is particulary trustworthy and the lib dems are not for me.

So you admit they have screwed us massively, and yet you want to give them a five year mandate to do even more of the same?
Unless you mean let them in, which will force the market's hands, and get the IMF running things? Worked out well in the 70s, that one, didn't it?

[Size Nine Elm]

daz4m said:

Jinx said:

daz4m said:

Can you explain this please. I am of the feeling that they are probably the best position to take us through but would like to hear your POV?

So the people who got us into this mess - overspent when times were good, sold the Gold reserves at a cut price level, personally destroyed the private pension schemes that were the envy of Europe (against the advice of the civil servants) , refused to fulfill a manifesto promise of granting a referendum on Europe, embroiled the UK in an illegal war and murdered the scapegoat they had selected, have been shown to be financially an morally corrupt on numerous occasions, quadrupuled the "book of taxes", introduced a new law for every week in power, killing off local pubs, put every man woman and child in the UK into of £15k of debt, allowed immigration to run unchecked (when the French and Germans were not so shortsighted) and have insidiously involved themselves into every level of private life - these are the bunch of muppets "best" equiped to get us through. Dear lord a constipated goldfish would be a better bet than this lot.

Yeah what they have done is not up for discussion my question relates to who will be best equipped to fix the mess we are in. I don't think Cameron is particulary trustworthy and the lib dems are not for me.

That's a bit like saying "Yes, I know this guys a serial killer, but I don't trust the alternative because I think he may have walked on the cracks in the pavement".

[Carfiend]

Armed Rebellion is the only answer.

[daz4m]

Randle/ Sizenine, get off your band wagons and read what I said...

I'll make it clearer for you both. Instead of spouting out clever reasons on why I am wrong sell the alternative to me I'm attempting to listen to what others are saying as per my original post.

Edited by daz4m on Thursday 29th April 13:04

[Jinx]

daz4m said:

Yeah what they have done is not up for discussion my question relates to who will be best equipped to fix the mess we are in. I don't think Cameron is particulary trustworthy and the lib dems are not for me.

Labour have proven they are untrustworthy. Time and time again (they won't even resign when they've committed a monumental fk up) . Cameron, Cleggy, Screaming Lord Sutch (RIP) may not be trustworthy but it is definitely a case of better the devil you don't know. Labour are fkwits whose tax and spend mantra is not the method to "get us out of this mess" . Give me one reason why they are "best equipped" ? They can't even manage the finances of their own party never mind the country's.

[mrmr96]

Jinx said:

daz4m said:

Can you explain this please. I am of the feeling that they are probably the best position to take us through but would like to hear your POV?

So the people who got us into this mess - overspent when times were good, sold the Gold reserves at a cut price level, personally destroyed the private pension schemes that were the envy of Europe (against the advice of the civil servants) , refused to fulfill a manifesto promise of granting a referendum on Europe, embroiled the UK in an illegal war and murdered the scapegoat they had selected, have been shown to be financially an morally corrupt on numerous occasions, quadrupuled the "book of taxes", introduced a new law for every week in power, killing off local pubs, put every man woman and child in the UK into of £15k of debt, allowed immigration to run unchecked (when the French and Germans were not so shortsighted) and have insidiously involved themselves into every level of private life - these are the bunch of muppets "best" equiped to get us through. Dear lord a constipated goldfish would be a better bet than this lot.

+1

Daz, would you care to explain yourself before the court?

[Carfiend]

Maybe he will request Trial by Doorstep Challenge?

[Bing o]

daz4m said:

Jinx said:

daz4m said:

Can you explain this please. I am of the feeling that they are probably the best position to take us through but would like to hear your POV?

So the people who got us into this mess - overspent when times were good, sold the Gold reserves at a cut price level, personally destroyed the private pension schemes that were the envy of Europe (against the advice of the civil servants) , refused to fulfill a manifesto promise of granting a referendum on Europe, embroiled the UK in an illegal war and murdered the scapegoat they had selected, have been shown to be financially an morally corrupt on numerous occasions, quadrupuled the "book of taxes", introduced a new law for every week in power, killing off local pubs, put every man woman and child in the UK into of £15k of debt, allowed immigration to run unchecked (when the French and Germans were not so shortsighted) and have insidiously involved themselves into every level of private life - these are the bunch of muppets "best" equiped to get us through. Dear lord a constipated goldfish would be a better bet than this lot.

Yeah what they have done is not up for discussion my question relates to who will be best equipped to fix the mess we are in. I don't think Cameron is particulary trustworthy and the lib dems are not for me.

So you are in hospital waiting for your arm to be amputated. The doctor amputates your right arm by mistake. Who would you choose to amputate your left arm? The same doctor, or someone else?

[daz4m]

Jinx said:

daz4m said:

Yeah what they have done is not up for discussion my question relates to who will be best equipped to fix the mess we are in. I don't think Cameron is particulary trustworthy and the lib dems are not for me.

Labour have proven they are untrustworthy. Time and time again (they won't even resign when they've committed a monumental fk up) . Cameron, Cleggy, Screaming Lord Sutch (RIP) may not be trustworthy but it is definitely a case of better the devil you don't know. Labour are fkwits whose tax and spend mantra is not the method to "get us out of this mess" . Give me one reason why they are "best equipped" ? They can't even manage the finances of their own party never mind the country's.

Can you tell me what your main problems are with the spend and tax mantra and what the alternatives are offering instead?

Thanks

[Tony*T3]

Bing o said:

daz4m said:

Jinx said:

daz4m said:

Can you explain this please. I am of the feeling that they are probably the best position to take us through but would like to hear your POV?

So the people who got us into this mess - overspent when times were good, sold the Gold reserves at a cut price level, personally destroyed the private pension schemes that were the envy of Europe (against the advice of the civil servants) , refused to fulfill a manifesto promise of granting a referendum on Europe, embroiled the UK in an illegal war and murdered the scapegoat they had selected, have been shown to be financially an morally corrupt on numerous occasions, quadrupuled the "book of taxes", introduced a new law for every week in power, killing off local pubs, put every man woman and child in the UK into of £15k of debt, allowed immigration to run unchecked (when the French and Germans were not so shortsighted) and have insidiously involved themselves into every level of private life - these are the bunch of muppets "best" equiped to get us through. Dear lord a constipated goldfish would be a better bet than this lot.

Yeah what they have done is not up for discussion my question relates to who will be best equipped to fix the mess we are in. I don't think Cameron is particulary trustworthy and the lib dems are not for me.

So you are in hospital waiting for your arm to be amputated. The doctor amputates your right arm by mistake. Who would you choose to amputate your left arm? The same doctor, or someone else?

Well he couldnt make the same mistake again, could he ?

[randlemarcus]

daz4m said:

Randle/ Sizenine, get off your band wagons and read what I said...

I'll make it clearer for you both. Instead of spouting out clever reasons on why I am wrong sell the alternative to me I'm attempting to listen to what others are saying as per my original post.

I'm not on a bandwagon, I was simply slackjawed at your post.

OK, reasons to be cheerful:
You are right about the LibDems. They're a bunch of left wing nutters with a centrist veneer, whose leader has done well out of the televised debates, primarily because he's not Gordon, and is a fresh voice because nobody outside Westminster knew him before he was on the TV.
The primary, fundamental difference between the Tories and Labout is the belief in the size of Government. Labour believes that spending 52% of GDP on public sector employment is a good thing. Conservatism aims for smaller government.

You have a choice at this point, as to whether you can live without "five a day" advisors, and folk to weigh your bins.

Its not the choice I want, as I am a great believer in really really small government - if I want my bins emptying, why can't I choose between taking it to the tip myself, and paying a fee, or between five private sector companies to come and empty it when its full?

We need some form of public sector, there is no argument there. The problem is because its quite simply too big, and has grown partly because it does more (though there is an argument that we dont need the services), and partly because of the obsession everyone has with metrics. If you can't measure how much a bin weighs, how will you know if the £2.5 billion you spent on asking people not to by the two for one bananas and throw one away has worked? Argh, who gives a fk?

As for trusting Cameron - I cant say I blame you wholeheartedly there either - he's a bit "smooth" for me, and whoever recommended the Max Headroom makeup for the debates needs slotting. Problem is that thirteen years out of power has taken a toll on the available candidates, and Hague shot his load a few years back.

Might be damnation by faint praise, but Vote Conservative - better than the other idiots, if only marginally.

[daz4m]

Tony*T3 said:

Bing o said:

daz4m said:

Jinx said:

daz4m said:

Can you explain this please. I am of the feeling that they are probably the best position to take us through but would like to hear your POV?

So the people who got us into this mess - overspent when times were good, sold the Gold reserves at a cut price level, personally destroyed the private pension schemes that were the envy of Europe (against the advice of the civil servants) , refused to fulfill a manifesto promise of granting a referendum on Europe, embroiled the UK in an illegal war and murdered the scapegoat they had selected, have been shown to be financially an morally corrupt on numerous occasions, quadrupuled the "book of taxes", introduced a new law for every week in power, killing off local pubs, put every man woman and child in the UK into of £15k of debt, allowed immigration to run unchecked (when the French and Germans were not so shortsighted) and have insidiously involved themselves into every level of private life - these are the bunch of muppets "best" equiped to get us through. Dear lord a constipated goldfish would be a better bet than this lot.

Yeah what they have done is not up for discussion my question relates to who will be best equipped to fix the mess we are in. I don't think Cameron is particulary trustworthy and the lib dems are not for me.

So you are in hospital waiting for your arm to be amputated. The doctor amputates your right arm by mistake. Who would you choose to amputate your left arm? The same doctor, or someone else?

Well he couldnt make the same mistake again, could he ?

Or what if the other guy went to the same medical school?? Either way your buggered.

Edited by daz4m on Thursday 29th April 13:22

[Jinx]

daz4m said:

Can you tell me what your main problems are with the spend and tax mantra and what the alternatives are offering instead?

Thanks

First the alternative is NOT Labour, that in itself is a good thing. This is based on a simple concept of not rewarding failure. If you reward failure you are complicit in all its effects and as such are as guilty as if you committed said failures yourself.
Taxes are not a God given right and spending taxes should be done with a heavy heart and with at least an intent to get the best value for those you stole the money from in the first place. The sweet abandon this Government has thrown away the earnings of every working woman and man is insulting in the extreme. The lack of accountability almost puts the EU to shame; I would have sacked the entire house of commons over the expenses as to a man, they broke the one rule (do not claim for anything that would bring the house into disrepute - the house was brought into disrepute by the expense claims - ergo they broke rule one QED)
A government's job is not to raise and spend taxes but that appears to be the only thing that concerns the Labour party. I am getting to the point where I consider the end of V for Vendetta to be a good idea - "a Government should be afraid of it's people" not treat them with contempt (even if they are biggotted).