UK unemployment total hits highest in 17 years

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unemployment figures

Still looking like the worst is to come.

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It is a problem that there are not enough 'work ready' people in this country... whether that be white or blue collar. However, all countries have mass populations of low-level workers (or drones as they've been called here). The trick is to have a base of jobs that anyone can do. We don't have that, and i think we need it.

Also, the thing i'm waiting for is some discussion about what can actually be done to stem this tide (by those in power). It's all well and good politicians shifting blame, but there will come a point when you actually have to do something, history will remember action, not cheap talk and the blame-game.

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Mr GrimNasty said:

davido140 said:

muffinmenace said:

What's the positions, specialist?

1 IT specialist, 2 cold calling drones (would be temps), 2 Account Managers which is starting off cold calling & managing their own accounts as they are created.

We've been through about 9 people so far this year and filled only 2 of the 7 roles we created in March.

If you can't fill an IT role you aren't trying.

Cold calling - not a job is it!

Hey, Cold calling is a valuable position! I make my company circa £1M a year from cold calling.

Although, you employ muppets, it's worth nothing.

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Tyre Smoke said:

I'm about to employ a Romanian chap to drive for me. I couldn't get a local to do the job, because they don't want to work. Simple as that.

Nobody wants to work evenings and weekends, nobody wants to actually earn their weekly wage. The culture of the country is all wrong. Blame culture, it's someone else's fault and I'm entitled is the wrong way to look at things. I have always got off my ass and grafted to earn money. The harder I work the more I should earn (Maggie Thatcher's mantra, if you like) but nobody seems to want to earn. My Romanian friend is chomping at the bit to get started, and has better English language and standards than the local 'drones' to use another poster's description. Will I employ more Romanians? Damned right I will as and when I need to.

I do think that's a massive problem. We used to caller the lower end of society 'working class' because they did exactly that; they worked, bloody hard usually and through adversity. As a result they created better lives for themselves and their children. Nowadays we have households where 3 generations of people have NEVER worked. Where's the cultural, social or financial stigma to this gone?

As i'm sure you're away, I'm quite left wing in my views, but I'm also a realist and I know if i didn't have a job I'd clean toilets to make sure i was working. Where has this attitude developed that not working is fine and normal?

I know there are massive issues with a lack of industry or non-skilled labour outside of the SE but where there's a will, there's a way. There's just no will.

It goes back to what I was saying earlier about our politicians blaming someone else all the time, we've lost a degree of personal responsibility; not just to the individual but to society. The jobless blame someone else, the Stare or businesses, the better off blame the feckless, jobless layabouts, the State blames the previous Government, the banks blame the global economy... no one stands up and says 'let's just get on and fix this'.

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fbrs said:

maix27 said:

I work in the City in Business Development

maix27 said:

Hey, Cold calling is a valuable position! I make my company circa £1M a year from cold calling.

huh?

Both are 100% correct... I cold call to find business. I meet with perspective clients, write proposals, pitch etc, but it all starts with a cold call.

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powerstroke said:

maix27 said:

Tyre Smoke said:

I'm about to employ a Romanian chap to drive for me. I couldn't get a local to do the job, because they don't want to work. Simple as that.

Nobody wants to work evenings and weekends, nobody wants to actually earn their weekly wage. The culture of the country is all wrong. Blame culture, it's someone else's fault and I'm entitled is the wrong way to look at things. I have always got off my ass and grafted to earn money. The harder I work the more I should earn (Maggie Thatcher's mantra, if you like) but nobody seems to want to earn. My Romanian friend is chomping at the bit to get started, and has better English language and standards than the local 'drones' to use another poster's description. Will I employ more Romanians? Damned right I will as and when I need to.

I do think that's a massive problem. We used to caller the lower end of society 'working class' because they did exactly that; they worked, bloody hard usually and through adversity. As a result they created better lives for themselves and their children. Nowadays we have households where 3 generations of people have NEVER worked. Where's the cultural, social or financial stigma to this gone?

As i'm sure you're away, I'm quite left wing in my views, but I'm also a realist and I know if i didn't have a job I'd clean toilets to make sure i was working. Where has this attitude developed that not working is fine and normal?

I know there are massive issues with a lack of industry or non-skilled labour outside of the SE but where there's a will, there's a way. There's just no will.

It goes back to what I was saying earlier about our politicians blaming someone else all the time, we've lost a degree of personal responsibility; not just to the individual but to society. The jobless blame someone else, the Stare or businesses, the better off blame the feckless, jobless layabouts, the State blames the previous Government, the banks blame the global economy... no one stands up and says 'let's just get on and fix this'.

I blame the schools and the parents for giving them everything without making them work for any of it pocket money used to be earned mowing lawns and washing cars how many kids do oddjobs or lift a finger .. and then far far too many going it UNI all the lazy little turds seem to learn is a sense of intitlement and how to be undisaplined and surly arrogant useless spoilt brats no wonder they are uninmployed and imigrants are doing all the basic jobs hopefully the parents will have more finacial pain and stop subsidising them ...

I think you're right on a number of counts. I do think parents need to install more of a sense of responsibility in their kids these days, it has slipped. I also think schools need to be stricter, people get away with too much at school and I think this translates into poor training for the workplace and a lack of respect for authority.

I'm inclined to disagree with where you sentiment seems to be coming from though; it sounds a bit bitter and Daily Mail-led.

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powerstroke said:

maix27 said:

I think you're right on a number of counts. I do think parents need to install more of a sense of responsibility in their kids these days, it has slipped. I also think schools need to be stricter, people get away with too much at school and I think this translates into poor training for the workplace and a lack of respect for authority.

I'm inclined to disagree with where you sentiment seems to be coming from though; it sounds a bit bitter and Daily Mail-led.

Yes bitter at the mess we are in !!!! not a regular mail reader sorry and I dont need a 3rd rate paper to tell me the country has been bugered by the left and the feckless wishey washy idiots that infest public life, it hits you in the face most days ....

Edited by powerstroke on Thursday 13th October 07:31

"buggered by the left" If anyone believes Tony Blair was left wing then they're an idiot. Sorry. We would have been in the same mess if we'd had a Tory government for the past 14 years. People forget Labour were voted in because of the mess the Tories made and, correct me if I'm wrong (it'll take a while), we'll be in a mess when they leave, if not already.

And as much as i agree, there are a lot of 'wishy washy' people in the public sector, most of our problems have been caused by wealthy politicians who take direction more from incompetent bank managers and 'industry gurus' than the people who vote them in.

If people in general held politicians more accountable (going back to my social responsibility argument)for their actions and the results of these actions, we'd all be better off.

You might want to try the Mail though, it seems right up your street.

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tamore said:

maix27 said:

"buggered by the left" If anyone believes Tony Blair was left wing then they're an idiot. Sorry. We would have been in the same mess if we'd had a Tory government for the past 14 years. People forget Labour were voted in because of the mess the Tories made and, correct me if I'm wrong (it'll take a while), we'll be in a mess when they leave, if not already.

And as much as i agree, there are a lot of 'wishy washy' people in the public sector, most of our problems have been caused by wealthy politicians who take direction more from incompetent bank managers and 'industry gurus' than the people who vote them in.

If people in general held politicians more accountable (going back to my social responsibility argument)for their actions and the results of these actions, we'd all be better off.

You might want to try the Mail though, it seems right up your street.

the borrowing when the country was in a boom cycle and windfalls coming in all over the place was criminal. we should have had a surplus, albeit a small one, but the spending got out of control.

I totally agree, i just don't think anyone would have done any different. Money would have been spent on military or outsourcing/privatisation by the Tories, but it would have been spent. Bear in mind everything they're saying now is in response to a very public crisis. At the time none of them were saying much different.

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Apache said:

maix27 said:

I totally agree, i just don't think anyone would have done any different. Money would have been spent on military or outsourcing/privatisation by the Tories, but it would have been spent. Bear in mind everything they're saying now is in response to a very public crisis. At the time none of them were saying much different.

Look at the Books when Labour took over from Thatcher then look at what the Torys walked into, you're mistaken.

Don't get me wrong, I'm far from a Tory boy and I think they are all as bad as each other.....apart from Labours ablity to piss money up the wall.

It's all academic anyway, mass unemployment is immenent and then the fkers will wonder what's hit them when the ever dwindling number of suckers can no longer support the bottom feeding leeches and the champagne swilling thieves

Since the 1970s the actual level of UK debt hasn't changed that much; it's been ever-present throughout all administrations.

I totally agree with you that Labour took everything too far, they spent way to much and did create a vast layer on unnecessary middle management in the public sector. I also think they've destroyed our education sector, which will be a massive blow in 10/15 years. The list of terrible decisions they made is way to long to carry on (the above two are bad enough!)

I'm just not going to kid myself that anyone else in power would have spent much less, they would have just spent it in different ways (like sorting out RailTrack/Network Rail for £13 billion for example), that was my point.

Again to agree with you, they're all the same and I don't trust any of them. Mass unemployment has many, many more terrible caveats other than the pure lack of employment and I think it's going to hurt us for generations (again to point out I believe Labour started this issue by creating 'non jobs' which have now made many unemployable).

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fbrs said:

maix27 said:

people forget Labour were voted in because of the mess the Tories made and, correct me if I'm wrong (it'll take a while), we'll be in a mess when they leave, if not already.

dear god

No administration gets booted out with the country on a high, do they?!

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fbrs said:

maix27 said:

fbrs said:

maix27 said:

I work in the City in Business Development

maix27 said:

Hey, Cold calling is a valuable position! I make my company circa £1M a year from cold calling.

huh?

Both are 100% correct... I cold call to find business. I meet with perspective clients, write proposals, pitch etc, but it all starts with a cold call.

please tell me you sell double glazing not financial services

I sell consulting services.