Do you think Blair will ever understand how hated he is?

Do you think Blair will ever understand how hated he is?

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Asterix

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Thursday 14th June 2012
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/uk-polit...

Or will his arrogance and self love keep him forever rosy and warm.

Asterix

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Thursday 14th June 2012
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I hope that more and more people make active steps to use his self-publicising events as vehicles to drill it home what they think about him.

Asterix

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Thursday 14th June 2012
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blindswelledrat said:
Im not completely sure that he is that hated is he?
I always hated him until Brown took over and then I realised that unbeknownst to me I actually loved Tony Blair.
I pitied Brown - the guy was so out of his depth in every way.

I'm not really the hating kind, it's too much like hard work, but for Blair I'm willing to put the effort in.

Asterix

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Friday 15th June 2012
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Which government of the people perpetuated the deregulation of the City and happily surfed on the wave of economic boom saying it was all their doing then denied the crash had anything to do with them?

Asterix

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Monday 18th June 2012
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mybrainhurts said:
martin84 said:
I think the key fact to understand is the majority of the public don't hate Tony Blair, .....the UK doesn't hate Blair. More British people reserve hatrid for Thatcher rather than Blair
On what do you base that claim?
Reminds of the bible thing someone worked out - God and his minions wipe out around 2 million people and the Devil accounts for 15 deaths - who's the bad guy? Doesn't mater, one of them simply had better PR.

Asterix

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Monday 18th June 2012
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Derek - I agree with everything you say but there is one key aspect - legacy.

While Thatcher might be despised by certain groups, her legacy, the general state she left the country in, cannot be disputed - from the sick man of Europe to a force on the world stage.

Unfortunately for Blair, the same can be said and there is very little that will make good reading.

While Brown, for instance, will simply be forgotten or perhaps recalled as being a bit of a clod.

Asterix

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Monday 18th June 2012
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Derek Smith said:
Asterix said:
Derek - I agree with everything you say but there is one key aspect - legacy.

While Thatcher might be despised by certain groups, her legacy, the general state she left the country in, cannot be disputed - from the sick man of Europe to a force on the world stage.

Unfortunately for Blair, the same can be said and there is very little that will make good reading.

While Brown, for instance, will simply be forgotten or perhaps recalled as being a bit of a clod.
I accept your point. Thatcher's legacy is the big difference. Blair has got one such.

That said there are many who feel underwhelmed by Thatcher's stint in power. When one considers the amount of money she had to play with, North Sea oil coming on stream nicely and the big public ownership sell offs, I don't think the case is made with regards funny for money. Although it has been 22 years I think we need a little bit longer to say whether that largess is wasted.

What is true I think is that once she went the rest of the party behaved like it was a party. Instead of building on what was generally, I think, the success there were like schoolkids at the end of term. I have a lot of respect for Major, ERM notwithstanding, that he had to deal with an impossible situation.

She might well have left something to build on that the opportunity was not grabbed by the rest of the party.
I think that one thing we have all seen over the last five years is some transparency - I mean that it got so bad, all the cards had to be laid on the table and you can't hide banks going bust etc.. I'd imagine, and it is pure speculation, that we weren't far off total & final economic collapse and the money that was available from the North Sea & privatisation was simply used to stave off the wolves.

Makes you wonder why the US were such good partners back then - perhaps it was because we caught up with our arrears and then started to manage the monthly direct debit...

Asterix

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Monday 18th June 2012
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wollowizard said:
martin84 said:
The mans a genius, gotta give him that.
No he is a war criminal that got himself stitched up by Gordon Brown.
You give Brown far too much credence.

Asterix

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Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Fully agree - very sharp operator is Mandleson.