Guy Martin - Charged over fake driving licence

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7761647/guy-...

Seems a strange case.

Can anyone work out what he is accused of? Adding categories that he didn’t have?

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attempting to pervert the course of justice and Identity Documents Act 2010, Possession of false identity documents etc with improper intention i would say.

there has been a rise in fake licence usage.

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He’s a truck mechanic isn’t he?

Maybe he’s never had a HGV licence and just came up with some silly idea to get a fake one?

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turbomoped said:

But I hope they take into consideration his ass burgers.

Does aspergers prevent a person knowing right from wrong?

That’s a genuine question as I don’t know much about the condition, apart from it can make people behave oddly or awkwardly when interacting with others.

I have to say, I was extremely surprised reading comments under news articles on this.

Most were along the lines of “The mans a legend, he should be allowed to do whatever he wants”, or “ridiculous - shouldn’t be prosecuted for something as silly as having a fake license”, and so on.

I personally think if he has done something wrong, he should fee the full force of the law the same as anyone should.

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Fire99 said:

I still haven't got a clue what he's been accused of..

It is all quite vague.

I quote:

"It is thought he wanted to add other driving categories, such as lorries.

When DVLA officials checked the Irish licence they discovered it was not genuine, it is alleged"

All I can work out is that he has somehow got a fake Irish driving licence which has entitlements on it such as HGV, for which he has never passed a test. He has then tried to exchange the fake Irish licence for a genuine UK licence. All of this is allegedly of course.

Long story short: He was allegedly trying to obtain a UK licence with numerous entitlements on it, without actually passing the required driving tests for those entitlements.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 18th November 17:34

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graylag said:

I don’t understand how he can plead not guilty, surely he knows whether he took those tests in Ireland or not. If he didn’t and just bunged someone a few quid for a fake, but convincing looking, Irish driving licence, then he’s buggered.

Given the accusation is that he sent a fake Irish driving licence to DVLA to get extra categories added, then he’s pretty much bang to rights. It’s not like he can plead ignorance (not that that’s a defence anyway).

I think it can only be one of two things:

1) It is just some genuine UK DVLA / Irish DVLA mix up or loss of records, and he can prove it.

2) He wants to appear before a jury so he can try the old 'Ken Dodd defence' along the lines of "I'm just a simple lorry mechanic from Lincolnshire and I didn't understand".

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graylag said:

Lord Marylebone said:

I think it can only be one of two things:

1) It is just some genuine UK DVLA / Irish DVLA mix up or loss of records, and he can prove it.

2) He wants to appear before a jury so he can try the old 'Ken Dodd defence' along the lines of "I'm just a simple lorry mechanic from Lincolnshire and I didn't understand".

My money is on number 2 and him getting off, simply because he’s famous, similar to the way Harry Redknapp walked away from what were seemingly nailed on tax evasion charges.

I would agree entirely.


For those readers not familiar with the 'Ken Dodd' defence:

Ken Dodd was charged after he managed to defraud HMRC out of almost £1 million in the 1980's (almost £3 million in today's money).

He asked to be paid cash for most of his performances, and was caught with hundreds of thousands of pounds hidden in his homes. Every month he would make flights to the Isle of Man or Jersey with suitcases filled with cash, and deposit the money in over 20 different accounts.

He declared his income to HMRC as significantly less than what he was earning.

During his Liverpool Crown Court trial, he claimed repeatedly that he was just a "simple, uneducated, working class lad from Liverpool who didn't understand money". He went on to treat the stand in court like a comedy show, making the jury laugh at his jokes whenever possible.

A Liverpudlian jury were never, ever, going to convict a seemingly bang-to-rights guilty Ken Dodd, and cleared him of every single one of the 8 serious fraud charges.

The jury and public gallery cheered and laughed as he was acquitted.

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number 46 said:

Has Guy got a pet Dog?? Maybe the Dog applied for the license with out Guy knowing!!!???

Guy has a golden Labrador called Nigel.

Maybe Nigel passed his Class 2 test?

I once received a student union ID card after filling in the form with a passport photo of a dog and the name 'A Greyhound'.

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gazza285 said:

Rich_W said:

Remember this famous amazing TT rider, never won a single race on the Island.

His seventeen podiums don’t mean anything then?

Guy was a bloody fast TT rider. He didn't manage to win, but you can't deny his ability on a road race bike course.

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graylag said:

That last bit is just brilliant. Would you be happy if people just jumped in car or on a bike, or in a lorry, or whatever vehicle they fancied whenever they fancied without any form of training or standard? After all it’s not like anyone would be placed at risk because of a dodgy bit of paper.

Shouldn't it be a dodgy bit of plastic.

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It seems a common trait for blokes like Guy to screw up on the admin side of what's required to do certain things legally. They either wing it on purpose or just screw it up by mistake.

Just look at Colin McRae, flew a helicopter he wasn't licenced for. Killed himself and his passengers, wasn't insured, his wife lost all the financial nest egg as a result, the estate was sued for loss, on top of having to deal with losing her husband and child.

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chris4652009 said:

InitialDave said:

Wouldn't necessarily need one, if only ever driving them around a private site etc.

Ah right, I guess not then

I know of numerous young mechanics working in car dealerships who do not yet have a driving licence.

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The Mad Monk said:

Colin McRae also killed his son.

What do you think i meant by their child.

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The Mad Monk said:

Quite.

However, the way jsf phrased it, the child may have been hers, but not his.

In the event, the child was their son.

What a nutty thing to say.

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I discovered on several occasions that it is apparently completely unacceptable to say anything bad about Colin Mcrae to rally fans.

He’s nothing but a hero and a legend apparently.

To me, he disgraced himself and his memory beyond redemption by his utterly reckless actions which directly resulted in the deaths of not only his own son, but the child of another family, along with another adult.

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Drew106 said:

Wow, that really is an eye opener! I hadn't heard any of this before either.

I guess it kind of fits with his cavalier attitude. All well and good until the shizz inevitably hits the fan.

Its really a great shame. I followed Colin from his very first rally and was in the stands when he picked up his WRC trophy. I spent a year on the WRC circuit as a guide and had a few good nights with colin and the teams at the end of event bashes.

To see him cock up so badly was not what anyone would want to see. Its especially sad for his wife and Jimmy, who is a lovely bloke.

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limpsfield said:

Rich_W said:

I had a few model cars of his, a couple DVDs and his book. Sold the lot after the accident.

Edited by Rich_W on Monday 19th November 23:28

What colour was the drama queen dress you bought with the proceeds?

I don’t personally see anything wrong with being disgusted and disappointed with someone, and then deciding you don’t wish to possess any of their merchandise or memorabilia anymore.

It’s an entirely rational thing to do.

All my friends disposed of their Lost Prophet’s music after the conviction of Ian Watkins. I’m not suggesting Colin McRae is comparable to Ian Watkins, but you get the point.

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Stan the Bat said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Stan the Bat said:

Seem to remember that Graham Hill's pilot licence wasn't kosher either .

I don’t think that’s the right phrase, some elements of his license had expired-it’s not like he had a fake one.

Not fake, but not covered at the time.

" Hill's American FAA pilot certification had expired, as had his instrument rating. His UK IMC rating, which would have permitted him to fly in the weather conditions that prevailed at the time, was also out of date and invalid. Hill was effectively uninsured"

It cost the Hill family dearly.

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graylag said:

Anybody managed to find the outcome of this? I’ve just checked and there’s nothing since the initial reports of him being in court.

I don’t believe he is due in court until mid December at the earliest.

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Yes, it is. My word there are some miserable bkses on here.

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