Neighbour wanting a front extension, not pleased.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Equus said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Oh, and it is taller than 2 metres, so that's another reason he is requiring planning.

As above: he's allowed up to 3m. (that's a thumb, and a thumb, and a finger, for those of you with difficulty counting) for a porch, if the floor area does not exceed 3m2.

2 metres would be a fairly useless limit, given that the standard height for a door frame is more than that.

Ah OK, I skimmed past that detail. Sarah had understood the height required planning, and whilst the porch proposal is tall, I would have thought 3m would cover it.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

dickymint said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Ah OK, I skimmed past that detail. Sarah had understood the height required planning, and whilst the porch proposal is tall, I would have thought 3m would cover it.

Not having a go Ferm but that really does show the ‘confirmation bias’ that has gone on with this issue. You wanted 2 metres to be correct because it suits your needs.

So do we know the width and depth of this porch yet? As so far this seems to be the only reason it needs planning.

Such suspicion. We thought it was 2 meters, and I now recall it was the neighbour not us who stated that detail, HE thought he needed permission.

It is 1.3 metres out from his house. We don't know the width as we've only been given a visual, it's to meet his window.

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Tuesday 7th May 19:03

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85Carrera said:

The Moose said:

Will this be a new, period fence

I have no doubt that the OP will get regular compliments about the fence because it will look so good

No harm in being proud of something you've put a lot of thought in to.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Planning has now been submitted, and is up on the portal. The neighbour has stuck to his word, and the plans show it significantly away from the boundary. I won't submit a link, as it shows particulars such as his full name. If you wish to see the plans there is likely enough detail on this thread to figure the key word searches, or you can PM me.

I'll update when we know more.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Ah for gods sake. You leave a thread unconcluded and you get told off. You attempt to do the opposite and you receive nobbish posts like the above

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thebraketester said:

mgtony said:

Patio doors and a polycarbonate roof. I have porch envy.

Jesus.... why wouldn't they at least try to make it look 'nice' buy using a small roof tile for example?

As far as I gather (from what he's told me) a light roof (as in lightweight, not bright) means that planning consider it a certain type of structure (porch I presume) rather than another (extension, I guess)

All second hand info, someone who knows planning better may be able to confirm.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Equus said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

As far as I gather (from what he's told me) a light roof (as in lightweight, not bright) means that planning consider it a certain type of structure (porch I presume) rather than another (extension, I guess)

Nope, that's nonsense.

It might help convince Building Regulations that a conservatory is a conservatory, but method of construction is irrelevant to Planning, and has no bearing on the definition of a porch.

In which case my memory may be failing me, or he could simply be talking codste.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

mgtony said:

We've had pictures of the front of the neighbours house, his rear garden, his sheds and been told what he gets up to in them. I don't see what problem putting up an edited pic of the intended carbuncle porch up which is available on a public website anyway.

Putting his name up in a link is too far AFAIC. Pictures around our houses don't ID him.

As you say, it's in the public domain, so if you find it for yourself then who can complain.

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21TonyK said:

Out of curiosity I had a look earlier.

Not the greatest, and personally, I would not be happy to have that next to my front door.

Thank you. Over recent pages opinion was turning against us, that we were being unreasonable, and what ground do we have to object.

The main thing is that no he has made the commitment to build further away from our boundary, so even if we don't like it we can fence it off and screen it.

Now to just see if it goes through planning.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

PartOfTheProblem said:

It's nice to see the dimensions on the plans, but bloody hell that's going to look awful. Sliding uPVC doors and polycarb roof? Wow. At least it will be brick built, which is something. I'd be miffed if it was next door to me, but there's no real reason to object to it.

Thanks for sharing the details, nice to actually have all of the info relating to a thread for once!

It's going to be largely wooden construction, with brick slips lower down. We agree, it will look dreadful, and a sliding patio door is a moronic idea. We had considered over bearing (I hope I've spelled it correctly this time!) would be a valid objection, but shockingly it seems isn't. All said let's just hope that planning see a reason to decline it.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

thebraketester said:

I don't understand why the owners cannot see that it is going to look wk.

Brick built... a decent front door with side panels, solid roof with nice tiles and a couple of velux.... It could look "OK"


Instead of this...

Agreed, but that would cost him more, which is the crux of it all. He is as tight as trying to drive a Volvo in to a drinking straw.

We had proposed a suggestion that he moved the waste pipe to the other side of the door, then enclose that in a porch, but no, that would cost too much.

It's one of our few small hopes, that planning agree that it would look ridiculous, and decline it accordingly.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

You're only the second person on the thread to cotton on to this IIRC, but I can't blame you for not wanting to read all 27(?) pages to check!

Below are two floorplans, not our houses, but others in the village of the same layout. They're L shaped. He's wide at the front, narrow at the back, we're narrow at the front, wide at the back. One advantage to our layout is a wider rear garden. The one shown of our layout is different, in as much that our bedroom 3 is now an upstairs bathroom, and the old downstairs bathroom is now a second reception area. This reception area is going to be swapped with the kitchen, to give a smaller (but still adequate) kitchen, and a larger reception area, also currently being extended by 4 metres.
We're also going to take a metre off bedroom 2 for a stairwell to the third storey, and it will become a 3 storey 3 bed.

Ours is a mirror image of the second floor plan, so it inter-locks with his, the first image.

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Wednesday 15th May 13:27

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

21TonyK said:

It's probably been covered already, but...

A quick scoot around on google maps shows lots of porches on nearby properties, fair enough. But none of them that I can see are on properties that have a shared entrance area and none are in close proximity to the neighbours front door.

Also, just looking at the frontage it looks very much like your neighbours front door could have been moved at some point so it is closer to yours.

It has, but all valid points. the shared entrance element isn't uncommon in the village. The front yards were/are communal, but over the decades they have been dived up, which we have no issue with.

We agree that none up the road (Portland Terrace?) are on the boundary line.

And yes, the neighbours house was butchered by the previous owner, the none removed lintels tell the story of how it was intended. Logic would suggest putting it all right, but that costs more than he wishes to spend. Tight arse.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

dickymint said:

Unless you know their financial circumstances? For all we know that's their life savings going into something to improve their lot. Sorry but your post is well out of order.

Having been their neighbour for 4 years we could cite endless other examples, it is a fact.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Equus said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

dickymint said:

Unless you know their financial circumstances? For all we know that's their life savings going into something to improve their lot. Sorry but your post is well out of order.

Having been their neighbour for 4 years we could cite endless other examples, it is a fact.

He's living in a mid-terrace in Mansfield. For most people that would be fair evidence that he's not oozing money.

You've already told us that you're living in such a property, despite the fact that it is well below your means, because you want to be mortgage free by the age of 40, or whatever it was. That's your decision, but you have no right to impose the expectations that arise from your level of disposable income upon your neighbours.

I really am very glad that I don't live next door to you - you'd be absolutely horrified by the current state of my garden, for a start.

We're not in Mansfield, that's a good 6 miles away. We're nearer Sherwood Forest, if you know the local geography. What they do with their house is their business, but when it effects us we will speak up. Since the plans have gone up other PH'ers have pretty much universally stated that it looks st, and that they too would be unhappy.

And if your garden's a state we too are glad we're not next door to it. In fairness, at least they keep their 'garden' (essentially a front yard) presentable and tasteful.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Equus said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

We're not in Mansfield, that's a good 6 miles away. We're nearer Sherwood Forest...

That statement kind of says it all.

Hyacinth Bouquet, much?

Not at all. I wouldn't want anyone being under the misapprehension that we live in Mansfield. It's a dump. If you lived in Windsor would you like people to believe you live in Slough, after all, they're neighbours too.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

FiF said:

Equus said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

We're not in Mansfield, that's a good 6 miles away. We're nearer Sherwood Forest...

That statement kind of says it all.

Hyacinth Bouquet, much?

Lol, Harsh but fair. Soz op.

If I were going for snob points I'd be bleating on about how I'm from Southwell (which I am) referred to as the jewel of Nottinghamshire.

I'm glad we're here not there though, as in The Well our house would likely be £260K, with a mortgage to match.

The nearest EG's currently on the market -
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prop...
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prop...

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Equus said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Not at all. I wouldn't want anyone being under the misapprehension that we live in Mansfield. It's a dump. If you lived in Windsor would you like people to believe you live in Slough, after all, they're neighbours too.

Windsor, eh? Next door to the Queen, you mean? Yes, I can see how that would appeal to you as an analogy!

Well, that would work if Mansfield was the shabby neighbour to somewhere nice. Looking at Google Maps, you seem to be about equidistant from Mansfield, Worksop and Chesterfield, so take your pick... they're all stholes.

I was born and raised 'about 6 miles' from Leeds (actually, it was about 7.5.. the extra mile and a half would make all the difference to you, no doubt).

I could argue that it was 'in the Aire Valley', or 'nearer to the Ancient Kingdom of Elmet than to Leeds', if I were a desperately grasping social climber, but strangely I've never seen the need to say anything other than 'Leeds' whenever I am asked where I came from originally.

If anyone asks, who's not from around here, I usually state 'I'm from Notts'. If someone is local I normally state we're in a small village about half way between Mansfield and Chesterfield. I wouldn't state I'm from Mansfield, as, well, I'm not.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

mgtony said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

dickymint said:

Unless you know their financial circumstances? For all we know that's their life savings going into something to improve their lot. Sorry but your post is well out of order.

Having been their neighbour for 4 years we could cite endless other examples, it is a fact.

I suppose facts and slagging people off can still go together.

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Anything I've said about the neighbour is factual and I can't recall slagging him off, further than stating we feel he's a bit selfish about how he's going about it.

I'm not sure that calling someone tight is slagging off TBH. I know individuals both rich and poor, some of who are close friends, who are tight AF. I'd say the same to their face.

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Equus said:

mgtony said:

At least moving it away from the boundary line gives him room to put in the soil stack.

And of course there's no need to show the outlet from the WC extract fan on the Planning drawings, which will be at about face level on that side of the porch... or at least it would be if I were designing it.

Now you're just sounding spiteful, there's no need for that. It's a moot point anyway, there is no longer a suggestion that a toilet will be housed within.

Having just come back from speaking with our local planning office it seems far less clear cut that it's going to get approval than he's made out. Some useful information given our way.

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Thursday 16th May 10:45