Scalpings and cement?
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About to throw another three ton or so of scalpings on our unadopted bombsite of a lane. Previous attempts have been a bit useless but this time I'm trying proper Type 1 MOT scalpings which apparently are a lot better. I'll believe it when I see it ha ha.
We won't be Tarmacing over the scalpings as that's crazy money, so it will may just blow out again, but I'm wondering if there is any value in sprinkling some cement dust in there to try and hold it together a little better?
We won't be Tarmacing over the scalpings as that's crazy money, so it will may just blow out again, but I'm wondering if there is any value in sprinkling some cement dust in there to try and hold it together a little better?
Blackpuddin said:
Tarmacing over the scalpings as that's crazy money, so it will may just blow out again, but I'm wondering if there is any value in sprinkling some cement dust in there to try and hold it together a little better?
Been there, done that, no it doesn't work. Eventually bit the bullet and had it tarmaced.When we did ours we used a tack/bond material from (I think colbond)
http://www.colasproducts.co.uk
We rolled the drums and then applied using a spray/watering system on the compacted/rolled scalpings.
It's not set as hard as I'd like - and is coming lose in the turning area - but it's not bad on the bit that's driven on.
As mentioned we did it on a really hot day and borrowed a very large steam roller type thing.
http://www.colasproducts.co.uk
We rolled the drums and then applied using a spray/watering system on the compacted/rolled scalpings.
It's not set as hard as I'd like - and is coming lose in the turning area - but it's not bad on the bit that's driven on.
As mentioned we did it on a really hot day and borrowed a very large steam roller type thing.
Wait until the local council has got a contractor in to do some surface dressing (tar & chippings) and speak nicely to the foreman. They're usually ameanable to doing some 'extra paid work' and it would only take them an hour or so to do 100m. Amazing what you can get done for a roll of crisp twenties
Council was redoing the whole main road outside our lane recently and we got absolutely nowhere with the road crew when more than one of us asked the question about leftover materials, or indeed with the council when they were approached directly.
Do we not think that a smattering of cement dust, watered in, will have at least some bonding effect? We're having to do something quick (again) as our lovely binman driver announced last week that he won't be coming again. Ironic really as it's the huge bin lorry that has done most of the damage over time. And the council won't look at providing a smaller lorry.
Do we not think that a smattering of cement dust, watered in, will have at least some bonding effect? We're having to do something quick (again) as our lovely binman driver announced last week that he won't be coming again. Ironic really as it's the huge bin lorry that has done most of the damage over time. And the council won't look at providing a smaller lorry.
Jonny TVR said:
foxoles said:
Been there, done that, no it doesn't work. Eventually bit the bullet and had it tarmaced.
I'm in a similar position. Can you share with me how much it costs per 100m? Scraped off level, reset any water/grids to new height. IIRC £1500 per house, so £7.5K.
Firm was K. Darlington & Son - somewhere Manchester way.
Hope that helps.
You can get a 30tonne tipper lorry of MOT for a few £100, get that and a hired machine (not sure what to recommend?) and do the whole road in a few inches of MOT.
Speak to local farmers a well, one did my dad's large (ish) drive for £15/tonne of MOT then cheaper machine&man hire to smooth it out.
That'll probably be the best bang-for-buck for the medium term future!
Speak to local farmers a well, one did my dad's large (ish) drive for £15/tonne of MOT then cheaper machine&man hire to smooth it out.
That'll probably be the best bang-for-buck for the medium term future!
i've got three 850kg bags coming to start with from Sydenhams, the going rate from them is £52 inc VAT per bag and I don't think they are particularly expensive. Where there's muck there's brass etc.
We're trying the MOT Type 1 stuff (as opposed to random scalpings) becaus a local farm uses it to stabilise the ground trodden on by bulls and they reckon it works pretty well. Not sure how it will stand up to an enthusiastically driven large SUV though.
We have done the whole lane more than once, and someone paid a 'travelling' outfit to resurface it for a few grand "with a 7 year guarantee" ha ha. Needless to say that was all gone within a month.
We're trying the MOT Type 1 stuff (as opposed to random scalpings) becaus a local farm uses it to stabilise the ground trodden on by bulls and they reckon it works pretty well. Not sure how it will stand up to an enthusiastically driven large SUV though.
We have done the whole lane more than once, and someone paid a 'travelling' outfit to resurface it for a few grand "with a 7 year guarantee" ha ha. Needless to say that was all gone within a month.
My advice would be don't do it. It doesn't last and just encourages people to say the road doesn't need resurfacing. We had a similar situation with some houses saying they didn't want to spend the money, one neigbour was constantly patching the holes out of his own pocket, he eventually got fed up and stopped patching the road - within 1 winter everyone was in agreement and we got the whole road done properly.
Black_S3 said:
My advice would be don't do it. It doesn't last and just encourages people to say the road doesn't need resurfacing. We had a similar situation with some houses saying they didn't want to spend the money, one neigbour was constantly patching the holes out of his own pocket, he eventually got fed up and stopped patching the road - within 1 winter everyone was in agreement and we got the whole road done properly.
I'm sure you're right there but sadly the neighbourly atmos in this lane is toxic. Jonny TVR said:
are we talking private lanes or public lanes. The narrow dead end public lane outside my house is terrible. The highways agency is never going to resurface it so was thinking of just doing it myself or rather get someone to tarmac it.
Ours is an unadopted lane and the council won't even consider adopting it until 'we' (the residents) sort it. Which is an issue in itself as nobody actually owns the lane. It is a Public Footpath and I have been trying to engage with the council on that basis (it becomes impassable/dangerous to pedestrians after even moderate rain), but they are not biting. Jonny TVR said:
are we talking private lanes or public lanes. The narrow dead end public lane outside my house is terrible. The highways agency is never going to resurface it so was thinking of just doing it myself or rather get someone to tarmac it.
The OP mentioned it's an unadopted road, so will be privately owned.If yours is a public road the council should be maintaining it. Start here https://www.gov.uk/report-pothole and keep the pressure on till they do something. It's usually not too difficult as they are wary of the potential bills from a little old lady breaking her neck when she trips on a pothole that has been reported to them countless times.
Black_S3 said:
The OP mentioned it's an unadopted road, so will be privately owned.
If yours is a public road the council should be maintaining it. Start here https://www.gov.uk/report-pothole and keep the pressure on till they do something. It's usually not too difficult as they are wary of the potential bills from a little old lady breaking her neck when she trips on a pothole that has been reported to them countless times.
Yes been doing that for a year and sent emails If yours is a public road the council should be maintaining it. Start here https://www.gov.uk/report-pothole and keep the pressure on till they do something. It's usually not too difficult as they are wary of the potential bills from a little old lady breaking her neck when she trips on a pothole that has been reported to them countless times.
Jonny TVR said:
Black_S3 said:
The OP mentioned it's an unadopted road, so will be privately owned.
If yours is a public road the council should be maintaining it. Start here https://www.gov.uk/report-pothole and keep the pressure on till they do something. It's usually not too difficult as they are wary of the potential bills from a little old lady breaking her neck when she trips on a pothole that has been reported to them countless times.
Yes been doing that for a year and sent emails If yours is a public road the council should be maintaining it. Start here https://www.gov.uk/report-pothole and keep the pressure on till they do something. It's usually not too difficult as they are wary of the potential bills from a little old lady breaking her neck when she trips on a pothole that has been reported to them countless times.
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