Electrical certificate for kitchen refurb work

[Tony_T]

Hi all, I’ve had a kitchen refurb done by a sole trader who has done all works including electrical, plumbing etc.

He’s telling me I don’t need a certificate for electrical works, however I know that this is wrong as he has extended circuits, added socket outlets etc.

Would I be reasonable in saying that this should be included in his price? I’m expecting him to ask for more money to provide certs.

P.s no formal quote given (mistake i know).

[ashenfie]

I would expect it specified as part of the work, is he a properly qualified electrician?

[megaphone]

Yes, he may not have the ability to supply one, he may need to get a proper electrician in .

Why are you concerned? Is the refurb under building regs? Is the rest of the house electrics certificated?

[Tony_T]

megaphone said:

Yes, he may not have the ability to supply one, he may need to get a proper electrician in .

Why are you concerned? Is the refurb under building regs? Is the rest of the house electrics certificated?

He did say they do this (get an electrician in to certify their work) but is now saying for the works done i don't need one. I know this isn't right.

Two reasons

1. Future sale of house - not too concerned about this as it probably wouldn't be an issue that would arise.

2. If the worst was to happen (fire) i wouldn't be insured?

[tux850]

Is the work undertaken notifiable? What certificate are you seeking?

[Regbuser]

Approved Document P Electrical Safety

Changes to Part P 2013

There are two main changes in the latest version of Part P of the Building Regulations. The first change relates to the range of electrical installation work which requires notification. The range has been reduced, previously work in kitchens and outdoors was notifiable. Under the new regulations, unless the work requires the provision of a new circuit and is not in a special location it will not require notification.

Notifiable works

The installation of a new circuit
The replacement of a consumer unit
Any addition or alteration to an existing circuit in a special location.

Non-notifiable works

All other work is considered non-notifiable, namely additions and alterations to existing installations outside special locations, maintenance, replacement and repair work.

[Tony_T]

Regbuser said:

Approved Document P Electrical Safety

Changes to Part P 2013

There are two main changes in the latest version of Part P of the Building Regulations. The first change relates to the range of electrical installation work which requires notification. The range has been reduced, previously work in kitchens and outdoors was notifiable. Under the new regulations, unless the work requires the provision of a new circuit and is not in a special location it will not require notification.

Notifiable works

The installation of a new circuit
The replacement of a consumer unit
Any addition or alteration to an existing circuit in a special location.

Non-notifiable works

All other work is considered non-notifiable, namely additions and alterations to existing installations outside special locations, maintenance, replacement and repair work.

Thanks for this, looks like i am wrong. I checked with a (former) electrician at work who told me that any extension to a circuit/addition of an outlet would need Part P certification.

Is Part P same as a minor works certificate? *edit* just seen it is not, and i don't think it is required by law either.

Edited by Tony_T on Thursday 22 May 16:34

[Yabu]

Tony_T said:

Thanks for this, looks like i am wrong. I checked with a (former) electrician at work who told me that any extension to a circuit/addition of an outlet would need Part P certification.

Is Part P same as a minor works certificate? *edit* just seen it is not, and i don't think it is required by law either.

Sole trader needs to be competent to carry out the electrical works, then the Electrical work still needs to be inspected and tested with certification to comply with the wiring regs.

The installation needs to be inspected & tested to confirm it’s safe,

[Tony_T]

Yabu said:

Sole trader needs to be competent to carry out the electrical works, then the Electrical work still needs to be inspected and tested with certification to comply with the wiring regs.

The installation needs to be inspected & tested to confirm it’s safe,

Thanks, which certification is required for extending circuits/adding sockets in a kitchen?

[megaphone]

You'd be better off getting a EICR test done on the whole house, if you're concerned.

[Tony_T]

megaphone said:

You'd be better off getting a EICR test done on the whole house, if you're concerned.

Not concerned that the work isn’t good just trying to find out legally what is notifiable and what sort of certificate I need if any.

[Yabu]

Tony_T said:

Thanks, which certification is required for extending circuits/adding sockets in a kitchen?

If it’s just alteration/addition to a ring main for sockets then a minor works is fine.

[Mr Whippy]

Tony_T said:

megaphone said:

You'd be better off getting a EICR test done on the whole house, if you're concerned.

Not concerned that the work isn’t good just trying to find out legally what is notifiable and what sort of certificate I need if any.

AIUI.

It's not notifiable.

But for you to fairly say that it's 'safe' you'd need to be able to demonstrate that you tested it to say it is indeed 'safe'

That is where the issue lays.


But that is why, as said, one of those EICR thingies is the easiest solution. A full up to date check of the whole lot will make life easier if resale concerns are an issue later... and it's really not that expensive... and may also bring up some other worthwhile things to note/attend to.

For the price they're a bargain imo, and if you find a good electrician can also be useful just to chin wag with about stuff you might want doing or plan to do etc.