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Ructions said:
What other drugs, other than heroin, would you see in your patients. I wouldn't have a lot of experience were drugs are concerned, but was always intrigued as to what leads someone to become an addict.
Eh? They're very bloody moreish. That's what leads someone to become an addict.SpeckledJim said:
Ructions said:
What other drugs, other than heroin, would you see in your patients. I wouldn't have a lot of experience were drugs are concerned, but was always intrigued as to what leads someone to become an addict.
Eh? They're very bloody moreish. That's what leads someone to become an addict.Sorry if this sounds a bit pathetic and blue-collar in the present context of this thread, but I thought I'd share anyway. My only experience of scary drugs was a prescription for opioid painkillers, quite strong, but still many times weaker than heroin, or morphine even, and I can confirm they are ridiculously easy to become dependent on. Just a few weeks is all it took, and I couldn't stop popping them even after the pain had gone. They're a relaxing, instant stress-reliever. I'd get itching skin and a terrible anxious, edgy feeling if I didn't take them. I upped my own dose in secret as my tolerance increased, making sure nobody saw me take one too many. Eventually the packet ran out and I very purposefully didn't go to the GP for more, because I didn't really need them and I was quite scared about how I'd been lying to myself and my wife about still needing to take them long after I really should have stopped. Had I had another packet in the house, I'd have dived right in, so really only cutting off my own supply made me stop. The physical withdrawal is something I hope never to experience again. I've never felt a crushing headache like it, and the psychological battle was crazy! It lasted about 3 days. I won't accept them from a GP ever again. I guess I'm particularly susceptible to that class of drug. Or very weak willed. I can perfectly understand how you can try something "just once" and find yourself on the street 3 months later with all your money gone and not really have a clue how you got from one situation to the other. It's the sort of thing that only happens to other people and could never happen to you, until it does.
TartanPaint said:
Sorry if this sounds a bit pathetic and blue-collar in the present context of this thread, but I thought I'd share anyway. My only experience of scary drugs was a prescription for opioid painkillers, quite strong, but still many times weaker than heroin, or morphine even, and I can confirm they are ridiculously easy to become dependent on. Just a few weeks is all it took, and I couldn't stop popping them even after the pain had gone. They're a relaxing, instant stress-reliever. I'd get itching skin and a terrible anxious, edgy feeling if I didn't take them. I upped my own dose in secret as my tolerance increased, making sure nobody saw me take one too many. Eventually the packet ran out and I very purposefully didn't go to the GP for more, because I didn't really need them and I was quite scared about how I'd been lying to myself and my wife about still needing to take them long after I really should have stopped. Had I had another packet in the house, I'd have dived right in, so really only cutting off my own supply made me stop. The physical withdrawal is something I hope never to experience again. I've never felt a crushing headache like it, and the psychological battle was crazy! It lasted about 3 days. I won't accept them from a GP ever again. I guess I'm particularly susceptible to that class of drug. Or very weak willed. I can perfectly understand how you can try something "just once" and find yourself on the street 3 months later with all your money gone and not really have a clue how you got from one situation to the other. It's the sort of thing that only happens to other people and could never happen to you, until it does.
Scary.I cannot resist a packet of biscuits. I would be s
t at fighting drugs. Ayahuasca said:
TartanPaint said:
Sorry if this sounds a bit pathetic and blue-collar in the present context of this thread, but I thought I'd share anyway. My only experience of scary drugs was a prescription for opioid painkillers, quite strong, but still many times weaker than heroin, or morphine even, and I can confirm they are ridiculously easy to become dependent on. Just a few weeks is all it took, and I couldn't stop popping them even after the pain had gone. They're a relaxing, instant stress-reliever. I'd get itching skin and a terrible anxious, edgy feeling if I didn't take them. I upped my own dose in secret as my tolerance increased, making sure nobody saw me take one too many. Eventually the packet ran out and I very purposefully didn't go to the GP for more, because I didn't really need them and I was quite scared about how I'd been lying to myself and my wife about still needing to take them long after I really should have stopped. Had I had another packet in the house, I'd have dived right in, so really only cutting off my own supply made me stop. The physical withdrawal is something I hope never to experience again. I've never felt a crushing headache like it, and the psychological battle was crazy! It lasted about 3 days. I won't accept them from a GP ever again. I guess I'm particularly susceptible to that class of drug. Or very weak willed. I can perfectly understand how you can try something "just once" and find yourself on the street 3 months later with all your money gone and not really have a clue how you got from one situation to the other. It's the sort of thing that only happens to other people and could never happen to you, until it does.
Scary.I cannot resist a packet of biscuits. I would be s
t at fighting drugs. I had a single half-tablet and felt like I was flying all afternoon. Amazing 'invincible' feeling. It felt, honestly, great. But I won't do it again.
Exige77 said:
Maybe the “drugs are bad” brigade have made their point now and could continue the debate on another thread ?
This x1000000Some people on here are rather dumb to drugs, which is fine, just moan about them somewhere else please. It's very boring. I find TVRMP's stories interesting, so I'd rather he wasn't put off posting.
There is a vast difference between a party drug and a heroin user. It is hugely unlikely a casual coke user will take heroin.
Some people on here would be amazed at the number of people who take coke, it's everywhere. In your fancy village pub, there will be people doing keys in the toilet 100%.
Ructions said:
SpeckledJim said:
Ructions said:
What other drugs, other than heroin, would you see in your patients. I wouldn't have a lot of experience were drugs are concerned, but was always intrigued as to what leads someone to become an addict.
Eh? They're very bloody moreish. That's what leads someone to become an addict.Regarding why people become addicts; it really can be that the drug is the only great thing in their life, so why not keep doing it.
As a Paramedic years ago I became a patient one evening with severe abdominal pain and was administered morphine by the A&E staff I knew very, very well.
They took great care to get the dose right but even so, the effect is instantaneous; it really is just like you see in Trainspotting, but the illusions you see are very probably linked to your own inner pysche so your experience might well be good or bad depending on your personality and inner thoughts and dreams.
Even very short lasting Entonox is instantly addictive and very often patients would become aggressive if we attempted to regulate their use of the drug.
Addiction to anything depends on your own strength of will and your ability to clearly analyse the effects that both short and long term consumption of your chosen drug is having on you, your surroundings, your family, your environment and perhaps even your mental and physical health.
Back to the prison stories though. I've only spent the odd night in cells when I was young and heading off the rails but thankfully the short, sharp horrible experience, coupled with no end of old fashioned clips round the ear and a full reading of the riot act and my future as seen through the crystal balls of my elders and betters, set me straight.
During my time as a Submariner we did have an odd occasion in Gibraltar though, where one of our crew members, perhaps due to some excessive afternoon imbibing and some sunshine, decided he would break into the local nick to try and rescue his mates who had already been arrested into custody for their over-enthusiastic Rock shenanigans; apparently they watched him try and break in for a good twenty minutes before inviting him in to join his mates for an evenings sleeping it all off.
As a Paramedic years ago I became a patient one evening with severe abdominal pain and was administered morphine by the A&E staff I knew very, very well.
They took great care to get the dose right but even so, the effect is instantaneous; it really is just like you see in Trainspotting, but the illusions you see are very probably linked to your own inner pysche so your experience might well be good or bad depending on your personality and inner thoughts and dreams.
Even very short lasting Entonox is instantly addictive and very often patients would become aggressive if we attempted to regulate their use of the drug.
Addiction to anything depends on your own strength of will and your ability to clearly analyse the effects that both short and long term consumption of your chosen drug is having on you, your surroundings, your family, your environment and perhaps even your mental and physical health.
Back to the prison stories though. I've only spent the odd night in cells when I was young and heading off the rails but thankfully the short, sharp horrible experience, coupled with no end of old fashioned clips round the ear and a full reading of the riot act and my future as seen through the crystal balls of my elders and betters, set me straight.
During my time as a Submariner we did have an odd occasion in Gibraltar though, where one of our crew members, perhaps due to some excessive afternoon imbibing and some sunshine, decided he would break into the local nick to try and rescue his mates who had already been arrested into custody for their over-enthusiastic Rock shenanigans; apparently they watched him try and break in for a good twenty minutes before inviting him in to join his mates for an evenings sleeping it all off.
At least you weren't these guys TVR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzy1IFjvMpM
Ayahuasca said:
Scary.
I cannot resist a packet of biscuits. I would be st at fighting drugs.
Agreed.I cannot resist a packet of biscuits. I would be s
t at fighting drugs. I went 'cold turkey' on Jaffa Cakes once. I purposely didn't order any when I did some shopping online - this removed the temptation to buy while walking round the shop. I had none in the house. It took tremendous willpower, and the headaches and nausea were something else, but now I'm able to live my life completely Jaffa Cake free.
I am happy to assist anyone who feels they need to go through the same process.
Perhaps we could start a PH support group.
zarjaz1991 said:
Agreed.
I went 'cold turkey' on Jaffa Cakes once. I purposely didn't order any when I did some shopping online - this removed the temptation to buy while walking round the shop. I had none in the house. It took tremendous willpower, and the headaches and nausea were something else, but now I'm able to live my life completely Jaffa Cake free.
I am happy to assist anyone who feels they need to go through the same process.
Perhaps we could start a PH support group.
Jaffa’s Anonymous?? I went 'cold turkey' on Jaffa Cakes once. I purposely didn't order any when I did some shopping online - this removed the temptation to buy while walking round the shop. I had none in the house. It took tremendous willpower, and the headaches and nausea were something else, but now I'm able to live my life completely Jaffa Cake free.
I am happy to assist anyone who feels they need to go through the same process.
Perhaps we could start a PH support group.
alorotom said:
Watch the Louis Theroux episode on iPlayer that aired a week ago - it’s about opioid abuse (mainly heroin) and discusses how people take doctor rx meds for pain and how it escalates amazingly quick and 1/4 of all adults have an opioid addiction and 1/10 babies are born being opioid dependant - in a tri-state US city.
I’ve had some close up experience of this having undergone a major op a few years back I was prescribed lots of morphine in the hospital and then a steady stream of tramadol for a number of months whilst recovering at home.I loved the stuff. Became very dependent on and quitely slipped into a pattern of abusing the hell out of it. Fortunately I’m quite good at recognising these tendencies in myself and can go full stop when the time comes - just don’t be me around when I do!
Reflecting on this I’m amazed at how casually the GPs dish this stuff out (it’s a great high in the right dose), especially given what’s going on in the states. They seem totally oblivious. To this day I can get a huge box of opioid painkillers from the doc without cross examination, and if it were not for my own self control I’d probably be in a bit of a mess.
We have a store in a safe in an off limits area of the house of tramadol and methadone that the MIL is prescribed for her back pain relief ... it is shocking how readily it’s dished out on repeat rx and then little question by the pharmacy on dispense
Never used any myself but we weren’t comfortable having it just in a cupboard in the main body of the house
Never used any myself but we weren’t comfortable having it just in a cupboard in the main body of the house
Better to control the narrative of a story than have it out of your control, in my experience. Always taken that approach.
As an aside, what's the score on Rehabilitation of Offenders Act on your sentence? AFAIK it was altered whilst you were inside and is retrospective. How long do you have to wait before it can be 'forgotten' on job applications?
As an aside, what's the score on Rehabilitation of Offenders Act on your sentence? AFAIK it was altered whilst you were inside and is retrospective. How long do you have to wait before it can be 'forgotten' on job applications?
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