The return of 'Fat chicken kid'.
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southendpier said:
Ladyhayles said:
I have never and probably will never understand the whole "you can't smack children" argument.
I do not ever intend to have kids because I personally have not one single maternal instinct in my body and my child tolerance level is extremely low. Can't stand the noisy, snot-stained critters.
However, myself and my brother were raised on the knowledge that if you did something wrong you'd receive a smack and a stern telling off. We have both matured into polite, well adjusted individuals. My brother is a father himself now and his daughter is also very polite and I can only recall one situation where he has actually given her a light smack but she generally doesn't misbehave anyway.
Now I have friends that believe that smacking is wrong and that they should have "a discussion" with their children if they get out of line. Their children are vile and should not be allowed to integrate with society on any level.
So I really can't understand why giving a child a smack is wrong. Obviously I'm not condoning abusing a child or taking it too far by using a belt or an object to beat them with but a short sharp shock clearly does the trick.
Also you can't tell me that 90% of the people on here were not given a smack as a child if they did something wrong, that's just how it was done! Don't really recall when I was younger of continual reports of teenagers stabbing people and bringing neighbourhoods to their knees with their unruly and threatening behaviour.
But clearly as I don't have kids I know I'll get shouted down by some tree-hugging parent who believes their offspring should not be disciplined in such a way because apparently smacking a child is the modern day equivalent to committing mass murder!
I do not ever intend to have kids because I personally have not one single maternal instinct in my body and my child tolerance level is extremely low. Can't stand the noisy, snot-stained critters.
However, myself and my brother were raised on the knowledge that if you did something wrong you'd receive a smack and a stern telling off. We have both matured into polite, well adjusted individuals. My brother is a father himself now and his daughter is also very polite and I can only recall one situation where he has actually given her a light smack but she generally doesn't misbehave anyway.
Now I have friends that believe that smacking is wrong and that they should have "a discussion" with their children if they get out of line. Their children are vile and should not be allowed to integrate with society on any level.
So I really can't understand why giving a child a smack is wrong. Obviously I'm not condoning abusing a child or taking it too far by using a belt or an object to beat them with but a short sharp shock clearly does the trick.
Also you can't tell me that 90% of the people on here were not given a smack as a child if they did something wrong, that's just how it was done! Don't really recall when I was younger of continual reports of teenagers stabbing people and bringing neighbourhoods to their knees with their unruly and threatening behaviour.
But clearly as I don't have kids I know I'll get shouted down by some tree-hugging parent who believes their offspring should not be disciplined in such a way because apparently smacking a child is the modern day equivalent to committing mass murder!
No one is shouting anyone down. In fact this thread is about 98% pro smacking I reckon.Read back what you just wrote, stop and think.
You state you are polite and well adjusted; you may well be, but some of the points made in that post and the frankly revolting descriptions, about children, about how you describe your "friends" kids, about current crime compared to the good old days are the rabid rantings of someone who should not be allowed in the vicinity of children let alone have any. Not that you want them anyway.
And trust me, if you met my friends children I'm pretty sure you'd think they were vile too. I must add that I use the term "friend" very loosely. After one of their children was arrested for robbing and assaulting an elderly lady and the parents stood by him, even after he confessed to doing it, they lost quite a lot of people's respect. The other son is not much better, though he's yet to actually be arrested for anything but I'm pretty sure its only a matter of time.
Ladyhayles said:
southendpier said:
Ladyhayles said:
I have never and probably will never understand the whole "you can't smack children" argument.
I do not ever intend to have kids because I personally have not one single maternal instinct in my body and my child tolerance level is extremely low. Can't stand the noisy, snot-stained critters.
However, myself and my brother were raised on the knowledge that if you did something wrong you'd receive a smack and a stern telling off. We have both matured into polite, well adjusted individuals. My brother is a father himself now and his daughter is also very polite and I can only recall one situation where he has actually given her a light smack but she generally doesn't misbehave anyway.
Now I have friends that believe that smacking is wrong and that they should have "a discussion" with their children if they get out of line. Their children are vile and should not be allowed to integrate with society on any level.
So I really can't understand why giving a child a smack is wrong. Obviously I'm not condoning abusing a child or taking it too far by using a belt or an object to beat them with but a short sharp shock clearly does the trick.
Also you can't tell me that 90% of the people on here were not given a smack as a child if they did something wrong, that's just how it was done! Don't really recall when I was younger of continual reports of teenagers stabbing people and bringing neighbourhoods to their knees with their unruly and threatening behaviour.
But clearly as I don't have kids I know I'll get shouted down by some tree-hugging parent who believes their offspring should not be disciplined in such a way because apparently smacking a child is the modern day equivalent to committing mass murder!
I do not ever intend to have kids because I personally have not one single maternal instinct in my body and my child tolerance level is extremely low. Can't stand the noisy, snot-stained critters.
However, myself and my brother were raised on the knowledge that if you did something wrong you'd receive a smack and a stern telling off. We have both matured into polite, well adjusted individuals. My brother is a father himself now and his daughter is also very polite and I can only recall one situation where he has actually given her a light smack but she generally doesn't misbehave anyway.
Now I have friends that believe that smacking is wrong and that they should have "a discussion" with their children if they get out of line. Their children are vile and should not be allowed to integrate with society on any level.
So I really can't understand why giving a child a smack is wrong. Obviously I'm not condoning abusing a child or taking it too far by using a belt or an object to beat them with but a short sharp shock clearly does the trick.
Also you can't tell me that 90% of the people on here were not given a smack as a child if they did something wrong, that's just how it was done! Don't really recall when I was younger of continual reports of teenagers stabbing people and bringing neighbourhoods to their knees with their unruly and threatening behaviour.
But clearly as I don't have kids I know I'll get shouted down by some tree-hugging parent who believes their offspring should not be disciplined in such a way because apparently smacking a child is the modern day equivalent to committing mass murder!
No one is shouting anyone down. In fact this thread is about 98% pro smacking I reckon.Read back what you just wrote, stop and think.
You state you are polite and well adjusted; you may well be, but some of the points made in that post and the frankly revolting descriptions, about children, about how you describe your "friends" kids, about current crime compared to the good old days are the rabid rantings of someone who should not be allowed in the vicinity of children let alone have any. Not that you want them anyway.
And trust me, if you met my friends children I'm pretty sure you'd think they were vile too. I must add that I use the term "friend" very loosely. After one of their children was arrested for robbing and assaulting an elderly lady and the parents stood by him, even after he confessed to doing it, they lost quite a lot of people's respect. The other son is not much better, though he's yet to actually be arrested for anything but I'm pretty sure its only a matter of time.
southendpier said:
Here's a thought; for the sake of discussion;
Probably most parents smack their kids. Certainly I know very few who do not.
With all the talk on here non-smacking parents are described as lefty, tree hugging, limp wristed gays:
Would you agree on the above description then that a higher percentage non-working class or working class families smack their kids? You know the disciplinarian tattooed beer drinking sky TV football loving right wing types.
Generally would you also agree that there is a higher chance that these same children will develop into the nasty violent council estate hood rats that none of us like? (Ignoring other socio demographic traits)
Whilst you might not like spoilt little Tarquin from Islington running around Waitrose there is a lower chance that he will stab your Nan on his way to University in 10 years time.
lights touch paper and retires.
No. Next.Probably most parents smack their kids. Certainly I know very few who do not.
With all the talk on here non-smacking parents are described as lefty, tree hugging, limp wristed gays:
Would you agree on the above description then that a higher percentage non-working class or working class families smack their kids? You know the disciplinarian tattooed beer drinking sky TV football loving right wing types.
Generally would you also agree that there is a higher chance that these same children will develop into the nasty violent council estate hood rats that none of us like? (Ignoring other socio demographic traits)
Whilst you might not like spoilt little Tarquin from Islington running around Waitrose there is a lower chance that he will stab your Nan on his way to University in 10 years time.
lights touch paper and retires.
At the risk of being accused of being a limp wristed ponce - I'm more inclined towards southendpier's way of thinking. I'm not against hitting as a matter of principle, but I've never found the need to use a smack to discipline my wee girl. I've come close a couple of times but it's always when I'm tired, hacked off and starting to lose my rag. Usually my missus steps in - and I do the same when she gets to that point.
My mum & dad were fairly liberal with the back of their hand and I don't think it did me any harm - I certainly don't hold it against them. I know you can't prove the general from the particular but in my experience the kids pick up their behaviour from their parents. If their parents don't give a crap about respecting other people (regardless of whether they are council, middle class or posh) then the kids don't either. Whether they get a smack now and again seems to be largely immaterial but like I said - not something I'm comfortable doing.
I'm now going out in the garden to dig a large hole to cancel any poncyness.
My mum & dad were fairly liberal with the back of their hand and I don't think it did me any harm - I certainly don't hold it against them. I know you can't prove the general from the particular but in my experience the kids pick up their behaviour from their parents. If their parents don't give a crap about respecting other people (regardless of whether they are council, middle class or posh) then the kids don't either. Whether they get a smack now and again seems to be largely immaterial but like I said - not something I'm comfortable doing.
I'm now going out in the garden to dig a large hole to cancel any poncyness.
I tend not to hit my littlun. It's an absolute last resort. The threat of a smack usually works.
However, in the case of FCK I think a bloody good thrashing would sort him out. He's a rude, greedy, fat pig. Imagine Jade Goody in surf shorts. That's him.
I'd quite happily kick his fat arse around my garden as an afternoons entertainment.
God, I hate him.
However, in the case of FCK I think a bloody good thrashing would sort him out. He's a rude, greedy, fat pig. Imagine Jade Goody in surf shorts. That's him.
I'd quite happily kick his fat arse around my garden as an afternoons entertainment.
God, I hate him.
Cara van Man said:
I tend not to hit my littlun. It's an absolute last resort. The threat of a smack usually works.
However, in the case of FCK I think a bloody good thrashing would sort him out. He's a rude, greedy, fat pig. Imagine Jade Goody in surf shorts. That's him.
I'd quite happily kick his fat arse around my garden as an afternoons entertainment.
God, I hate him.
Alive or dead?However, in the case of FCK I think a bloody good thrashing would sort him out. He's a rude, greedy, fat pig. Imagine Jade Goody in surf shorts. That's him.
I'd quite happily kick his fat arse around my garden as an afternoons entertainment.
God, I hate him.
Mazda Baiter said:
Cara van Man said:
I tend not to hit my littlun. It's an absolute last resort. The threat of a smack usually works.
However, in the case of FCK I think a bloody good thrashing would sort him out. He's a rude, greedy, fat pig. Imagine Jade Goody in surf shorts. That's him.
I'd quite happily kick his fat arse around my garden as an afternoons entertainment.
God, I hate him.
Alive or dead?However, in the case of FCK I think a bloody good thrashing would sort him out. He's a rude, greedy, fat pig. Imagine Jade Goody in surf shorts. That's him.
I'd quite happily kick his fat arse around my garden as an afternoons entertainment.
God, I hate him.
Cara van Man said:
Mazda Baiter said:
Cara van Man said:
I tend not to hit my littlun. It's an absolute last resort. The threat of a smack usually works.
However, in the case of FCK I think a bloody good thrashing would sort him out. He's a rude, greedy, fat pig. Imagine Jade Goody in surf shorts. That's him.
I'd quite happily kick his fat arse around my garden as an afternoons entertainment.
God, I hate him.
Alive or dead?However, in the case of FCK I think a bloody good thrashing would sort him out. He's a rude, greedy, fat pig. Imagine Jade Goody in surf shorts. That's him.
I'd quite happily kick his fat arse around my garden as an afternoons entertainment.
God, I hate him.
southendpier said:
Here's a thought; for the sake of discussion;
Probably most parents smack their kids. Certainly I know very few who do not.
With all the talk on here non-smacking parents are described as lefty, tree hugging, limp wristed gays:
Would you agree on the above description then that a higher percentage non-working class or working class families smack their kids? You know the disciplinarian tattooed beer drinking sky TV football loving right wing types.
Generally would you also agree that there is a higher chance that these same children will develop into the nasty violent council estate hood rats that none of us like? (Ignoring other socio demographic traits)
I would agree with your suggestion. A quick google shows this researchProbably most parents smack their kids. Certainly I know very few who do not.
With all the talk on here non-smacking parents are described as lefty, tree hugging, limp wristed gays:
Would you agree on the above description then that a higher percentage non-working class or working class families smack their kids? You know the disciplinarian tattooed beer drinking sky TV football loving right wing types.
Generally would you also agree that there is a higher chance that these same children will develop into the nasty violent council estate hood rats that none of us like? (Ignoring other socio demographic traits)
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17856-smacki...
which suggests that smacking is not an effective form of discipline and on average reduces children's IQ.
Or this report by the Scottish Government
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2010/04/26...
report said:
Early parenting approaches and experiences were also related to behavioural outcomes at school entry. Use of harsh discipline - that is smacking and shouting - at age 3 was associated with difficulties in conduct and hyperactivity. Children whose parents reported both smacking and shouting were more likely to have difficulties in these domains than children whose parents did neither. For example, 40% of children whose parents used both smacking and shouting had scores in the borderline or abnormal range of the conduct problems scale compared with 19% of children who parents used neither
I'm not an expert and this was just a quick google. Mazda Baiter said:
Cara van Man said:
Mazda Baiter said:
Cara van Man said:
I tend not to hit my littlun. It's an absolute last resort. The threat of a smack usually works.
However, in the case of FCK I think a bloody good thrashing would sort him out. He's a rude, greedy, fat pig. Imagine Jade Goody in surf shorts. That's him.
I'd quite happily kick his fat arse around my garden as an afternoons entertainment.
God, I hate him.
Alive or dead?However, in the case of FCK I think a bloody good thrashing would sort him out. He's a rude, greedy, fat pig. Imagine Jade Goody in surf shorts. That's him.
I'd quite happily kick his fat arse around my garden as an afternoons entertainment.
God, I hate him.
Cara van Man said:
I tend not to hit my littlun. It's an absolute last resort. The threat of a smack usually works.
And that's the point that I'm not talking about when he/she is queue jumping, that is just a word with the little
tI'll tell you what happened to me when I was younger (about 3), my dad smacked me once, only ever once, I never forgot it and I fully deserved it. I was kicking my dog in the balls when he was lying down. Now that deserved a slap, the poor dog must have been in agony but he sat there and took it because my dad kept on saying to the dog "lie down" as dad knew I was near the dog but he didn't know what I was doing. Now I did deserve a f
king good hiding for that, never mind a smack.Roo said:
LadyH, your upbringing sounds similar to mine with the way we were disciplined as children. Doesn't appear to have done any harm to myself or my siblings.
Southendpier, no offence but you do sound like a left wing social worker.
Hey none taken, (although that is a pretty fierce insult), you don't know me, you probably never will but trust me, you could not be more wrong with your description.Southendpier, no offence but you do sound like a left wing social worker.
As I have stated earlier in the thread I was bought up in a home where punishment by beatings/smacks/inflicting pain/shock (whatever you want to define it) were the norm.
I'd be interested to know, seriously, why deciding to not hit your own children in the name of discipline is deemed "wrong" is so many peoples eyes?
Soovy said:
southendpier said:
snowy slopes said:
Some stuff I agree with
Tricky subject; but if you grew up with the acceptance that it is OK to hit/belt/slap naughty children then your old man has not made you a better person, merely the same (in this regard).- to those parents who do discipline their kids, this is in no way aimed at you
Kids needs a good slap a few times to teach them right from wrong.
Lily livered poofterism is the reason why the country is in a state.
Soovy said:
Kids needs a good slap a few times to teach them right from wrong.
If they've been taught right from wrong, they won't need a slap. The problem is that you need to start young and I suspect that all the examples in this thread of "kids that need a slap" have never been disciplined.southendpier said:
Roo said:
LadyH, your upbringing sounds similar to mine with the way we were disciplined as children. Doesn't appear to have done any harm to myself or my siblings.
Southendpier, no offence but you do sound like a left wing social worker.
Hey none taken, (although that is a pretty fierce insult), you don't know me, you probably never will but trust me, you could not be more wrong with your description.Southendpier, no offence but you do sound like a left wing social worker.
As I have stated earlier in the thread I was bought up in a home where punishment by beatings/smacks/inflicting pain/shock (whatever you want to define it) were the norm.
I'd be interested to know, seriously, why deciding to not hit your own children in the name of discipline is deemed "wrong" is so many peoples eyes?
Punishment by beatings/smacks/inflicting pain/shock is not and should not be the norm in any household. No one in this thread is saying it should.
ukwill said:
southendpier said:
Roo said:
LadyH, your upbringing sounds similar to mine with the way we were disciplined as children. Doesn't appear to have done any harm to myself or my siblings.
Southendpier, no offence but you do sound like a left wing social worker.
Hey none taken, (although that is a pretty fierce insult), you don't know me, you probably never will but trust me, you could not be more wrong with your description.Southendpier, no offence but you do sound like a left wing social worker.
As I have stated earlier in the thread I was bought up in a home where punishment by beatings/smacks/inflicting pain/shock (whatever you want to define it) were the norm.
I'd be interested to know, seriously, why deciding to not hit your own children in the name of discipline is deemed "wrong" is so many peoples eyes?
Punishment by beatings/smacks/inflicting pain/shock is not and should not be the norm in any household. No one in this thread is saying it should.
No, several people in this thread suggest it should be the norm, they drop in leave a moronic comment a couple of insults and leave, I'm just trying to call them out and see if they are on a wind up (this is the Lounge afterall).
Others have tempered their original view or offered reasoned explanations which is cool.
Edited by southendpier on Friday 6th August 15:49
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