Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 5]
Discussion
Newc said:
bodhi said:
I'm in.
When do we invade France?
This is the kind of bold thinking we welcome in Oligarchia. Welcome. When do we invade France?
So that's Bodhi as Head of Taunting the French and Foreign Secretary,
21st Century Man to Finance Minister,
StevieBee as Head of Policy,
Hidetheelephants for Trade and Industry.
Still need someone for Helipads, Superyachts and Transport, and someone for Ministry of Sound and 24 hour partying.
Might need a special envoy to Colombia too, on reflection.
Covered land, sea and air in my career.
Manifesto includes no slush box automatics, cosworth/gma v12s for all, and concorde for the flag carrier.
Sway said:
I am especially qualified for Transport dear leader.
Covered land, sea and air in my career.
Manifesto includes no slush box automatics, cosworth/gma v12s for all, and concorde for the flag carrier.
You had me at Concorde. Your office is the big one with the Zonda parked outside. Covered land, sea and air in my career.
Manifesto includes no slush box automatics, cosworth/gma v12s for all, and concorde for the flag carrier.
Newc said:
bodhi said:
I'm in.
When do we invade France?
This is the kind of bold thinking we welcome in Oligarchia. Welcome. When do we invade France?
So that's Bodhi as Head of Taunting the French and Foreign Secretary,
21st Century Man to Finance Minister,
StevieBee as Head of Policy,
Hidetheelephants for Trade and Industry.
Still need someone for Helipads, Superyachts and Transport, and someone for Ministry of Sound and 24 hour partying.
Might need a special envoy to Colombia too, on reflection.
I write in application for the post of Minister for Stating the Bleedin' Obvious.
I gained a PhD in it from the University of Bums on Seats many years ago and I think I still have my cistificate somewhere.
Thank you for your time.
SB.
bodhi said:
Newc said:
Ooh, I'm just back from the senate. I think we're good.
We're going for Sortition government, three people picked for a year. We'll cut and paste the Danish legal system, and hire in some Swiss guards to run everything.
We own the banks, nobody wants to pay any taxes, and we'll get Claridges to deliver all the food.
Anybody want a passport?
I'm in. We're going for Sortition government, three people picked for a year. We'll cut and paste the Danish legal system, and hire in some Swiss guards to run everything.
We own the banks, nobody wants to pay any taxes, and we'll get Claridges to deliver all the food.
Anybody want a passport?
When do we invade France?
NRG1976 said:
Why do the working classes put up with elite screwing them over since the start of time?!
The notion of the working class and 'elite' emerged in the eighteenth century with Landlords and Tennant Farmers. Both existed in great harmony because both relied upon each other. There was no other option. The Landlords were normally also MPs who required being voted in. They were all Whigs (Tories) and often had no competition on this but that was because there was no need for opposition to offer an alternative. The workers were treated well. The Landords built and run schools, pubs, put on events, provided them housing and so on.In many ways, the same situation exists today. The wealthy 'Elite' contribute a proportionally higher amount of tax which goes towards funding public services. They are also responsible for employing a very large proportion of the working population. In fact, it could be argued that it is better today because unlike the eighteenth century, if a working class person is dissatisfied with their lot, there is absolutely nothing stopping them doing something about it whether that's setting up their own business or running to become an MP. And there's plenty who have done this very thing.
There are also many Working Class people perfectly happy with their lot.
There are some that take the piss. The interdependency between the two is not as great as it once. But on the whole, the idea that the Elite are Screwing the Working Classes is largely perceptional. But if you are genuinely being screwed, you can do something about it.
Why do people go on strike instead of just leaving an getting a better job, like 90% of other people do. I don't understand the perception that companies are some kind of social care programme and you should stop working until you get what you think you deserve? It feels a lot like unions work in opposition to the company and effectively make employees work like contractors.
Frimley111R said:
Why do people go on strike instead of just leaving an getting a better job, like 90% of other people do. I don't understand the perception that companies are some kind of social care programme and you should stop working until you get what you think you deserve? It feels a lot like unions work in opposition to the company and effectively make employees work like contractors.
Why do people fix things instead of buying new ones like 90% of people?If we couldn't strike, there wouldn't be better jobs to move to.
captain_cynic said:
Frimley111R said:
Why do people go on strike instead of just leaving an getting a better job, like 90% of other people do. I don't understand the perception that companies are some kind of social care programme and you should stop working until you get what you think you deserve? It feels a lot like unions work in opposition to the company and effectively make employees work like contractors.
Why do people fix things instead of buying new ones like 90% of people?If we couldn't strike, there wouldn't be better jobs to move to.
I've changed careers 3 times because theone I had didn't pay me what I believed I was worth. The best paying job I've had been in an industry that doesn’t have any union representation that I'm aware of, and I've never heard of a strike.
captain_cynic said:
Frimley111R said:
Why do people go on strike instead of just leaving an getting a better job, like 90% of other people do. I don't understand the perception that companies are some kind of social care programme and you should stop working until you get what you think you deserve? It feels a lot like unions work in opposition to the company and effectively make employees work like contractors.
Why do people fix things instead of buying new ones like 90% of people?If we couldn't strike, there wouldn't be better jobs to move to.
There are only better jobs because workers can strike? WTF does that mean?
Frimley111R said:
Why do people go on strike instead of just leaving an getting a better job, like 90% of other people do. I don't understand the perception that companies are some kind of social care programme and you should stop working until you get what you think you deserve? It feels a lot like unions work in opposition to the company and effectively make employees work like contractors.
Entitlement.Some people think the world should change to suit them and others change themselves to make their world better.
It's obviously not as black and white as that but largely I have found people will fall into primarily into 1 camp or another.
98elise said:
It's nowhere near as black and white as that. It certainly was a factor in getting better pay and conditions when workers were less mobile, but these days its means to blackmail your way to more money that you either wouldn't get on the open market, or you could get by moving employer.
I've changed careers 3 times because theone I had didn't pay me what I believed I was worth. The best paying job I've had been in an industry that doesn’t have any union representation that I'm aware of, and I've never heard of a strike.
LoLI've changed careers 3 times because theone I had didn't pay me what I believed I was worth. The best paying job I've had been in an industry that doesn’t have any union representation that I'm aware of, and I've never heard of a strike.
"Blackmail" your way to more money?
Gove your head a wobble. If it werent for the ability for workers to organise and protect their own rights we'd have none and the ability to move jobs to get more money wouldn't exist... Like it doesn't exist in many countries today where workers have few rights.
One of the things that differentiates developed countries are strong worker and employment rights.
Frimley111R said:
captain_cynic said:
Frimley111R said:
Why do people go on strike instead of just leaving an getting a better job, like 90% of other people do. I don't understand the perception that companies are some kind of social care programme and you should stop working until you get what you think you deserve? It feels a lot like unions work in opposition to the company and effectively make employees work like contractors.
Why do people fix things instead of buying new ones like 90% of people?If we couldn't strike, there wouldn't be better jobs to move to.
There are only better jobs because workers can strike? WTF does that mean?
The fact favourable conditions exist for workers these days is entirely down to our ability to be able to organise and be as powerful as employers. Otherwise the imbalance will always mean employers have the upper hand.
This benefits those who don't organise.
captain_cynic said:
LoL
"Blackmail" your way to more money?
Gove your head a wobble. If it werent for the ability for workers to organise and protect their own rights we'd have none and the ability to move jobs to get more money wouldn't exist... Like it doesn't exist in many countries today where workers have few rights.
One of the things that differentiates developed countries are strong worker and employment rights.
It is entirely blackmail, especially since the law stops employers from replacing them. "Blackmail" your way to more money?
Gove your head a wobble. If it werent for the ability for workers to organise and protect their own rights we'd have none and the ability to move jobs to get more money wouldn't exist... Like it doesn't exist in many countries today where workers have few rights.
One of the things that differentiates developed countries are strong worker and employment rights.
Frimley111R said:
Why do people go on strike instead of just leaving an getting a better job, like 90% of other people do. I don't understand the perception that companies are some kind of social care programme and you should stop working until you get what you think you deserve? It feels a lot like unions work in opposition to the company and effectively make employees work like contractors.
Why is it that employees tend to end up with better terms and conditions when unionised than those that don’t?Why shouldn’t employees hold their employers to account when there’s failings within said company?
Unions tend to want the company to succeed as then it will grow and employ more workers and thus more union members and good unions will work with the company to try and make that happen. Strikes occur when there is a breakdown between worker and management and normally the threat of a strike is enough to get everyone around the table and talk like grownups.
Recalcitrant management is as much as an issue as strike prone unions and unlike some who’d rather run away to another company, union members standup and say ‘that ain’t right’.
Large firms in particular and especially ones that dominate a community do have a responsibility towards their workers. Workers build their lives around the firm and when that’s jeopardised it’s no surprise the the workers want to defend their jobs.
captain_cynic said:
98elise said:
It's nowhere near as black and white as that. It certainly was a factor in getting better pay and conditions when workers were less mobile, but these days its means to blackmail your way to more money that you either wouldn't get on the open market, or you could get by moving employer.
I've changed careers 3 times because theone I had didn't pay me what I believed I was worth. The best paying job I've had been in an industry that doesn’t have any union representation that I'm aware of, and I've never heard of a strike.
LoLI've changed careers 3 times because theone I had didn't pay me what I believed I was worth. The best paying job I've had been in an industry that doesn’t have any union representation that I'm aware of, and I've never heard of a strike.
"Blackmail" your way to more money?
Gove your head a wobble. If it werent for the ability for workers to organise and protect their own rights we'd have none and the ability to move jobs to get more money wouldn't exist... Like it doesn't exist in many countries today where workers have few rights.
One of the things that differentiates developed countries are strong worker and employment rights.
So in my living memory I cannot think of a single strike that was anything but 'give us more money' - not 'more rights'.
You even see it with things like the JD strikes a few years ago. All about how 'unsafe' the working hours were - yet the changes were to reduce working hours!
Amazingly, once they got a payrise, those hours weren't a safety issue anymore. Straight from the railways union playbook.
Dagnir said:
Entitlement.
Some people think the world should change to suit them and others change themselves to make their world better.
It's obviously not as black and white as that but largely I have found people will fall into primarily into 1 camp or another.
May not be black and white, but if you're white the world is generally better anyway. Some people think the world should change to suit them and others change themselves to make their world better.
It's obviously not as black and white as that but largely I have found people will fall into primarily into 1 camp or another.
(I'm being facetious. But if the Civil Rights movement hadn't thought that "the world should change to suit them" they'd still be segregated at the back of the bus. Sometimes it's worth trying to change the world for the better.)
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Dagnir said:
Entitlement.
Some people think the world should change to suit them and others change themselves to make their world better.
It's obviously not as black and white as that but largely I have found people will fall into primarily into 1 camp or another.
May not be black and white, but if you're white the world is generally better anyway. Some people think the world should change to suit them and others change themselves to make their world better.
It's obviously not as black and white as that but largely I have found people will fall into primarily into 1 camp or another.
(I'm being facetious. But if the Civil Rights movement hadn't thought that "the world should change to suit them" they'd still be segregated at the back of the bus. Sometimes it's worth trying to change the world for the better.)
This is just, these days, self-entitled people who seem to think that companies owe them a living. If you don't like it, move, don't sit and cry about it.
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